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'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« on: January 02, 2009, 11:33:20 AM »
Sounds like an overreaction to me. 

'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
By Mike M. Ahlers
CNN
     
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A Muslim family removed from an airliner Thursday after passengers became concerned about their conversation say AirTran officials refused to rebook them, even after FBI investigators cleared them of wrongdoing.

Atif Irfan said federal authorities removed eight members of his extended family and a friend after passengers heard them discussing the safest place to sit and misconstrued the nature of the conversation.

Irfan, a U.S. citizen and tax attorney, said he was "impressed with the professionalism" of the FBI agents who questioned him, but said he felt mistreated when the airline refused to book the family for a later flight.

AirTran Airways late Thursday said they acted properly and that the family was offered full refunds and can fly with AirTran again.

"AirTran Airways complied with all TSA, law enforcement and Homeland Security directives and had no discretion in the matter," the company said in a prepared statement.  Watch how Muslims find climate of fear at airport »

Family members said FBI agents tried to work it out with the airline, but to no avail. iReport.com: Share your story

"The FBI agents actually cleared our names," said Inayet Sahin, Irfan's sister-in-law. "They went on our behalf and spoke to the airlines and said, 'There is no suspicious activity here. They are clear. Please let them get on a flight so they can go on their vacation,' and they still refused."

"The airline told us that we can't fly their airline," Irfan said.

The dispute occurred about 1 p.m. Thursday as AirTran flight 175 was preparing for takeoff from Reagan National Airport outside of Washington, D.C., on a flight destined for Orlando, Florida.

Atif Irfan, his brother, their wives, a sister and three children were headed to Orlando to meet with family and attend a religious conference.

"The conversation, as we were walking through the plane trying to find our seats, was just about where the safest place in an airplane is," Sahin said. "We were (discussing whether it was safest to sit near) the wing, or the engine or the back or the front, but that's it. We didn't say anything else that would raise any suspicion."  Watch Muslims recount how they were kicked off plane »

The conversation did not contain the words "bomb," "explosion," "terror" or other words that might have aroused suspicion, Irfan said.

"When we were talking, when we turned around, I noticed a couple of girls kind of snapped their heads," said Sobia Ijaz, Irfan's wife. "I kind of thought to myself, 'Oh, you know, maybe they're going to say something.' It didn't occur to me that they were going to make it such a big issue."

Some time later, while the plane was still at the gate, an FBI agent boarded the plane and asked Irfan and his wife to leave the plane. The rest of the family was removed 15 or 20 minutes later, along with a family friend, Abdul Aziz, a Library of Congress attorney and family friend who was coincidentally taking the same flight and had been seen talking to the family.

After the FBI interviewed family members, it released them, Irfan said.

AirTran spokesman Tad Hutcheson said the incident began when some passengers reported hearing suspicious remarks by a woman and alerted flight attendants. Two federal air marshals, who were on board the flight, notified law enforcement about the security-related issue, AirTran said.

After the family and Aziz were taken for questioning, the remaining 95 passengers were taken off of the plane and rescreened, along with the crew and the baggage, AirTran said.

Irfan said he believes his family is owed an apology.

"Really, at the end of the day, we're not out here looking for money. I'm an attorney. I know how the court system works. We're basically looking for someone to say... 'We're apologizing for treating you as second-class citizens.'"

"We are proud Americans," Sahin said. "You know we decided to have our children and raise them here. We can very easily go anywhere we want in the world, but you know we love it here and we're not going to go away, no matter what."

Aziz said there is a "very strong possibility" he will pursue a civil rights lawsuit.

"I guess it's just a situation of guilt by association," Aziz said. "They see one Muslim talking to another Muslim and they automatically assume something wrong is going on."

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/01/family.grounded/index.html

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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #1 on: January 02, 2009, 11:36:27 AM »
Fuck 'em... Management has the right to refuse.

Better to refuse a few people their flight than to have 100 people fall from the sky because of some terrorist.

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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #2 on: January 02, 2009, 12:43:07 PM »
I think the camel left in the short term parking spot was a tip off.

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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2009, 12:21:24 AM »
Fuck em as tu Holmes said.

Statistical fact... Ban muslims from airplanes and terrorism in the skies stops.

But instead of applying a little common sense and reality.... lets harass everyone and cost a few hundred billion dollars to maintain that PC.....

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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2009, 12:24:18 AM »
"The conversation, as we were walking through the plane trying to find our seats, was just about where the safest place in an airplane is," Sahin said. "We were (discussing whether it was safest to sit near) the wing, or the engine or the back or the front, but that's it.

My family had a similar conversation last time we flew.
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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2009, 09:39:21 AM »
AirTran apologizes to Muslim family removed from plane
By Mike M. Ahlers
CNN
     
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- AirTran Airways apologized Friday to members of a Muslim family for kicking them off a plane and refusing to rebook them despite requests from FBI agents who had cleared them of wrongdoing.

The families of Atif Irfan, a tax attorney, and his brother Kashif Irfan, an anesthesiologist, were removed from a flight in Washington before takeoff Thursday after a passenger reported hearing Atif Irfan's wife say something suspicious.

The FBI interviewed the family and cleared them of wrongdoing.

"We regret that the issue escalated to the heightened security level it did," AirTran said in a statement Friday afternoon. "But we trust everyone understands that the security and the safety of our passengers is paramount." Read the full statement

The airline said it had refunded the family's money and offered to fly the family home to Washington free.

One family member, Kashif Irfan, said Friday he was "very appreciative and surprised" by AirTran's apology. "It's a very generous gesture," he said.

The statement was an abrupt about-face for the airline, which three hours earlier had issued a press release with an unapologetic description of the incident.

In that statement, the airline said it did not re-book the family only because the security concern had not been resolved, and because one member of the group "became irate and made inappropriate comments."

That account differed from accounts from the family and the FBI. The FBI said agents interviewed the family, resolved the security concerns and then tried to help re-schedule the flight with the airline. The FBI ultimately helped the family book a flight on US Airways.  Watch how Muslims find climate of fear at airport »

The dispute occurred about 1 p.m. Thursday as Atif Irfan and his brother Kashif Irfan boarded AirTran flight 175 at Reagan National Airport near Washington for a trip to Orlando, Florida. They were accompanied by their wives, a sister and three children.

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http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/02/family.grounded/index.html

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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2009, 09:13:58 PM »
I always pick my seats to be near the exits. I guess you cant have this discussion with your family at the airport.
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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2009, 07:09:27 AM »
My family had a similar conversation last time we flew.


Yeah and I bet ur family isn't from a demographic that flew planes into buildings.
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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #8 on: January 06, 2009, 07:33:06 AM »
Kind of confusing.  I assume there are clear protocols once someone is suspected of ill intent.  The simple remark that was reported seems much too little to warrant the suspicion and prevention protocol.  Is there more to the story?
Once they are cleared by the FBI, there should be no issue.
I like how they wrote that the muslims were a tax attorney and an anesthesiologist...that means nothing.  Terrorists are often highly educated.  Muslim Doctors were responsible for an attack in the UK recently.  Nonetheless, looks like Airtran messed up on this one.

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Re: 'Safest' seat remarks get Muslim family kicked off plane
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2009, 12:53:19 PM »

Yeah and I bet ur family isn't from a demographic that flew planes into buildings.

You're right haha
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