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FOX News Poll: Most Call Bush a Good Person, But Say History Will Be Cruel
Thursday, January 15, 2009

By Dana Blanton

Despite record low job approval ratings, most Americans think George W. Bush is a good person. And as he prepares to leave the presidency, more than twice as many people think history will be cruel to Bush as think history will be kind.

According to a FOX News poll taken during Bush's final full week in office, 34 percent of Americans say they approve of the job he is doing and 58 percent disapprove — his highest positive rating since December of 2007.

A 72 percent majority of Americans believe Bush is a good person, including an overwhelming majority of Republicans (93 percent) as well as majorities of Democrats (56 percent) and independents (74 percent).

Just over half (53 percent) think history will be cruel to Bush and 30 percent think history will be kind. Republicans (47 percent) are more than twice as likely as Democrats (21 percent) and independents (23 percent) to think history will be kind to the outgoing president.

The average job rating for Bush’s first term in office was 61 percent approval and 29 percent disapproval. For his second term, the average rating looks significantly different: 37 percent approve and 55 percent disapprove.

Overall, for Bush's entire presidency he has an average 51 percent approval rating.

Bush received his highest approval rating, 88 percent, in the weeks following the 9/11 terrorist attacks (November 2001), while his lowest (25 percent) came in early October 2008, after the financial crisis had begun and the stock market suffered one of its worst weeks in decades.

Opinion Dynamics Corp. conducted the national telephone poll of 900 registered voters for FOX News from January 13 to January 14. The poll has a 3-point error margin.

The final reading on President Bush's favorable rating shows views are fairly evenly divided as 49 percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of him and about an equal number — 46 percent — have an unfavorable opinion.

First Lady Laura Bush has more widespread appeal, as three of four Americans (75 percent) have a favorable opinion of her. Majorities of Republicans (94 percent), Democrats (64 percent) and independents (72 percent) have positive views of Mrs. Bush.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,480056,00.html

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I believe history will be much kinder to him than people think. 

One president comes to mind when I think of the Bush legacy:

Harry Truman.

There has been some fabulous pieces wrote on the comparison between him and Bush.

One for example:

As he leaves the White House at the end of his second term, the President has a poll rating of only 23 per cent, and is widely disliked and even despised. His foreign policy has been judged a failure, especially in view of the long, painful, costly war that he declared, which is still not over.
    
He doesn't get on with his own party's presidential candidate, who is clearly distancing himself, and had lost many of his closest friends and staff to scandals and forced resignations. The New Republic, a hugely influential political magazine, writes that his historical reputation will be as bad as that of President Harding, the disastrous president of the Great Depression.

I am writing, of course, about Harry S Truman, generally regarded today as one of the greatest of all the 43 presidents, and the man who set the United States on the course that ended decades later in the defeat of Communism.
If the West wins the modern counterpart of that struggle, the War Against Terror, historians will look back in amazement at the present unpopularity of George W Bush, and marvel at it quite as much as we now marvel at the 67 per cent disapproval rates for Truman throughout 1952.

Presidents are seldom remembered for more than one or two things; the rest slip away into a haze of historical amnesia. With Kennedy it was the Bay of Pigs and his own assassination, with Johnson the Great Society and Vietnam, with Nixon it was opening up China and the Watergate scandal, and so on.

George W Bush will be remembered for his responses to 9/11 in Afghanistan and Iraq, but since neither of those conflicts has yet ended in victory or defeat, it is far too early categorically to assume - as left-wingers, anti-war campaigners and almost all media commentators already do - that his historical reputation will be permanently down in the doldrums next to poor old Warren Harding's.

I suspect that historians of the future will instead see Bush's decision to insist upon a "surge" of reinforcements being sent into Iraq, combined with a complete change of anti-insurgency tactics as configured by General Petraeus, as the moment when the conflict was turned around there, in the West's favour.
No one - least of all Bush himself - denies that mistakes were made in the early days after the (unexpectedly early) fall of Baghdad, and historians will quite rightly examine them. But once the decades have put the stirring events of those years into their proper historical context, four great facts will emerge that will place Bush in a far better light than he currently enjoys.
The overthrow and execution of a foul tyrant, Saddam Hussein; the liberation of the Afghan people from the Taliban; the smashing of the terrorist networks of al-Qa'eda in that country and elsewhere and, finally, the protection of the American people from any further atrocities on US soil since 9/11, is a legacy of which to be proud.
While of course every individual death is a tragedy to the bereaved families, these great achievements have been won at a cost in human life a fraction the size of any past world-historical struggle of this magnitude.

The number of American troops killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan is equivalent to the losses they endured - for a nation only a little over half the size in the mid-Forties - capturing a single island from the Japanese in the Pacific War.

British losses of 103 killed over seven years in Afghanistan bears comparison to a quiet weekend on the Western Front in the Great War, or the numbers the Army loses in traffic accidents in peacetime. History can lend a wider overall perspective to what are nonetheless, of course, immeasurably sad events.

History will also shine an unforgiving light on those ludicrous conspiracy theories that claim that the Iraq War was fought for any other reason than to implement the 14 UN resolutions that Saddam that had been flouting for 13 years.
The CIA and MI6 believed, like almost every other intelligence agency in the world, that Saddam had WMD, and the "Harmony" documents seized and translated since the fall of his regime make it abundantly clear that he was also supporting almost every anti-Western terrorist organisation imaginable.

Historians will appreciate how any War Against Terror that allowed Saddam to remain in place would have been an absurd travesty.
When the rise of al-Qa'eda is considered by historians like Philip Bobbitt and William Shawcross, it will be President Clinton's repeated refusal to act effectively in the 1990s, rather than President Bush's tough response after 9/11, that will be held up as culpable.
    
   
Judging by the rise in the value of the Iraqi dinar, the huge drop in the number of Iraqi deaths in the insurgency, the number of provinces now cleansed of al-Qa'eda, and the level of arms confiscations by the Iraqi Army in Sadr City, the new American "clear and hold" tactics have succeeded far better than the cynics ever thought possible even 12 months ago.

Give Iraq five, ten or twenty years, and Bush's decision to undertake the surge - courageously taken in the face of all bien pensant and "expert" opinion on both sides of the Atlantic - will rank alongside some of Harry Truman's great decisions of 1945-53.
If that happens, the time will come when George W Bush will be able to say what Lord Salisbury called the four cruelest yet sweetest words in the English language: "I told you so."
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I believe history will be much kinder to him than people think. 

One president comes to mind when I think of the Bush legacy:

Harry Truman.

There has been some fabulous pieces wrote on the comparison between him and Bush.

One for example:

As he leaves the White House at the end of his second term, the President has a poll rating of only 23 per cent, and is widely disliked and even despised. His foreign policy has been judged a failure, especially in view of the long, painful, costly war that he declared, which is still not over.
    
He doesn't get on with his own party's presidential candidate, who is clearly distancing himself, and had lost many of his closest friends and staff to scandals and forced resignations. The New Republic, a hugely influential political magazine, writes that his historical reputation will be as bad as that of President Harding, the disastrous president of the Great Depression.

I am writing, of course, about Harry S Truman, generally regarded today as one of the greatest of all the 43 presidents, and the man who set the United States on the course that ended decades later in the defeat of Communism.
If the West wins the modern counterpart of that struggle, the War Against Terror, historians will look back in amazement at the present unpopularity of George W Bush, and marvel at it quite as much as we now marvel at the 67 per cent disapproval rates for Truman throughout 1952.

Presidents are seldom remembered for more than one or two things; the rest slip away into a haze of historical amnesia. With Kennedy it was the Bay of Pigs and his own assassination, with Johnson the Great Society and Vietnam, with Nixon it was opening up China and the Watergate scandal, and so on.

George W Bush will be remembered for his responses to 9/11 in Afghanistan and Iraq, but since neither of those conflicts has yet ended in victory or defeat, it is far too early categorically to assume - as left-wingers, anti-war campaigners and almost all media commentators already do - that his historical reputation will be permanently down in the doldrums next to poor old Warren Harding's.

I suspect that historians of the future will instead see Bush's decision to insist upon a "surge" of reinforcements being sent into Iraq, combined with a complete change of anti-insurgency tactics as configured by General Petraeus, as the moment when the conflict was turned around there, in the West's favour.
No one - least of all Bush himself - denies that mistakes were made in the early days after the (unexpectedly early) fall of Baghdad, and historians will quite rightly examine them. But once the decades have put the stirring events of those years into their proper historical context, four great facts will emerge that will place Bush in a far better light than he currently enjoys.
The overthrow and execution of a foul tyrant, Saddam Hussein; the liberation of the Afghan people from the Taliban; the smashing of the terrorist networks of al-Qa'eda in that country and elsewhere and, finally, the protection of the American people from any further atrocities on US soil since 9/11, is a legacy of which to be proud.
While of course every individual death is a tragedy to the bereaved families, these great achievements have been won at a cost in human life a fraction the size of any past world-historical struggle of this magnitude.

The number of American troops killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan is equivalent to the losses they endured - for a nation only a little over half the size in the mid-Forties - capturing a single island from the Japanese in the Pacific War.

British losses of 103 killed over seven years in Afghanistan bears comparison to a quiet weekend on the Western Front in the Great War, or the numbers the Army loses in traffic accidents in peacetime. History can lend a wider overall perspective to what are nonetheless, of course, immeasurably sad events.

History will also shine an unforgiving light on those ludicrous conspiracy theories that claim that the Iraq War was fought for any other reason than to implement the 14 UN resolutions that Saddam that had been flouting for 13 years.
The CIA and MI6 believed, like almost every other intelligence agency in the world, that Saddam had WMD, and the "Harmony" documents seized and translated since the fall of his regime make it abundantly clear that he was also supporting almost every anti-Western terrorist organisation imaginable.

Historians will appreciate how any War Against Terror that allowed Saddam to remain in place would have been an absurd travesty.
When the rise of al-Qa'eda is considered by historians like Philip Bobbitt and William Shawcross, it will be President Clinton's repeated refusal to act effectively in the 1990s, rather than President Bush's tough response after 9/11, that will be held up as culpable.
    
   
Judging by the rise in the value of the Iraqi dinar, the huge drop in the number of Iraqi deaths in the insurgency, the number of provinces now cleansed of al-Qa'eda, and the level of arms confiscations by the Iraqi Army in Sadr City, the new American "clear and hold" tactics have succeeded far better than the cynics ever thought possible even 12 months ago.

Give Iraq five, ten or twenty years, and Bush's decision to undertake the surge - courageously taken in the face of all bien pensant and "expert" opinion on both sides of the Atlantic - will rank alongside some of Harry Truman's great decisions of 1945-53.
If that happens, the time will come when George W Bush will be able to say what Lord Salisbury called the four cruelest yet sweetest words in the English language: "I told you so."


Good find.  Good commentary.  Nice to see some aren't following the herd. 

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Good find.  Good commentary.  Nice to see some aren't following the herd. 


Thanks Beach.
I have read a couple of things comparing Bush to Truman.  Real good analysis about how he began certain civil rights policies.
I wished I'd kept them.

In fact I read a quick paragraph in this piece today saying how Eisenhower took credit for some of Trumans work.

I would say history will probably repeat itself in that facet.
 
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If he does not pardon or commute the sentence of ramos and compean that will say everything i need to hear forever about the type of person he is.

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George Bush ran up the biggest budget deficit in the history.

He introduced reforms and tax cuts without financing them.

Is he the worst president in the history?

Hard to say.

But he's definitely a candidate.


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George Bush ran up the biggest budget deficit in the history.

He introduced reforms and tax cuts without financing them.

Is he the worst president in the history?

Hard to say.

But he's definitely a candidate.






I know I have your quote HH, but my upcoming comment is pretty much towards everyone who keeps labeling him the worst president.  So, I'm not singling you out.

I have a strong suspicion that the hatred for him pretty much clouds any rational thinking.  So I guess I'm not really surprised.

Have any of you took a trip in a Delorean with Dr. Brown??
I didn't think so. 

Leave history to the historians and not on Getbig forums.


Is he the worst....no.
Is he a candidate....time will tell.
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Re: FOX News Poll: Most Call Bush a Good Person, But Say History Will Be Cruel
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2009, 10:35:19 AM »
If he does not pardon or commute the sentence of ramos and compean that will say everything i need to hear forever about the type of person he is.

just came across the news about 3 minutes ago

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/19/bush.commute/index.html

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Re: FOX News Poll: Most Call Bush a Good Person, But Say History Will Be Cruel
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2009, 02:38:23 PM »
George Bush ran up the biggest budget deficit in the history.

He introduced reforms and tax cuts without financing them.

Is he the worst president in the history?

Hard to say.

But he's definitely a candidate.





Don't foget the DEAD lying in his wake! :-*

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Re: FOX News Poll: Most Call Bush a Good Person, But Say History Will Be Cruel
« Reply #12 on: January 19, 2009, 02:43:06 PM »
If he does not pardon or commute the sentence of ramos and compean that will say everything i need to hear forever about the type of person he is.

Bush Commutes Border Agents sentence

WASHINGTON (Jan. 19) - In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday granted early prison releases to two former U.S. Border Patrol agents.
 
Bush, commuted the prison sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. The two guards from El Paso, Texas, each were sentenced to more than 10 years for the shooting, which they tried to cover up. They will be released within two months. :-*

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Re: FOX News Poll: Most Call Bush a Good Person, But Say History Will Be Cruel
« Reply #13 on: January 19, 2009, 02:54:46 PM »
The number of American troops killed and wounded in Iraq and Afghanistan is equivalent to the losses they endured - for a nation only a little over half the size in the mid-Forties - capturing a single island from the Japanese in the Pacific War.


so whats your point? several thousand americans were needlessly killed, but its not as many as in iwo jima so its really all ok?

at least 240 -a bush voter- can admit the disaster he's been, whereas the rest of you guys will seemingly defend him shamelessly to the end regardless of how much evidence piles up in front of you.

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Re: FOX News Poll: Most Call Bush a Good Person, But Say History Will Be Cruel
« Reply #14 on: January 19, 2009, 03:12:26 PM »
Bush Commutes Border Agents sentence

WASHINGTON (Jan. 19) - In his final acts of clemency, President George W. Bush on Monday granted early prison releases to two former U.S. Border Patrol agents.
 
Bush, commuted the prison sentences of Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean. The two guards from El Paso, Texas, each were sentenced to more than 10 years for the shooting, which they tried to cover up. They will be released within two months. :-*

At least he managed to do something right.

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Re: FOX News Poll: Most Call Bush a Good Person, But Say History Will Be Cruel
« Reply #15 on: January 19, 2009, 03:41:38 PM »
so whats your point? several thousand americans were needlessly killed, but its not as many as in iwo jima so its really all ok?

at least 240 -a bush voter- can admit the disaster he's been, whereas the rest of you guys will seemingly defend him shamelessly to the end regardless of how much evidence piles up in front of you.
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