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February 11, 2009

WINDOW ON EURASIA
Paul Goble

Vienna, February 11 – Pro-Kremlin groups are regularly inserting into the ranks of opposition groups spies who "just like in old times" are writing denunciations and generally informing their control officers about what is going on, according to a detailed article in this week's "New Times" magazine.

In an article entitled "The Seksots of the 21st Century," Ilya Barabanov and Yekaterina Savina say that "the lexicon of the times of the all-powerful KGB" – including terms like "seksot [secret co-worker]," " agent," and "observer" – is once again becoming part of political discourse in Russia.

According to Anna Bukovskaya, a 20-year-old member of the pro-Kremlin youth group Nashi who worked as a senior organizer of this effort before breaking with it and exposing it in comments to the media, the Kremlin started this revived effort in September 2007 against opposition groups in Moscow, St. Petersburg and Yaroslavl.

Among the groups that she dispatched agents she had selected for this work were the banned National Bolshevik Party, Garri Kasparov's OGF, the Oborona ["Defense"] Movement, and Young Yabloko. And many such agents, the "New Times" journalists suggest, would be working to this day if she had not exposed them.

Bukovskaya had the classic background for someone recruited for such work: She had not succeeded academically and thus did not appear to have many chances for advancement. Consequently, when she was approached by those connected with the Kremlin and offered support, she was easily recruited first as an agent herself and then as a spotter of others.

According to the former seksot, she and her fellow agents both reported to their "coordinator" about the plans the organizations of which they had become members and provided detailed reports, sometimes with photographs, about the meetings and demonstrations these groups actually conducted.

"Apparently," the journalists conclude, "it was thanks to this practice that officers of the interior ministry and the FSB in recent years have been able to develop a mechanism of preventive detention of opposition figures" whenever a major demonstration is planned and thus reduce their effectiveness.

According to Bukovskaya, people working as agents inside the opposition groups received from the representatives of the Kremlin 5,000 to 15,000 rubles (150 to 450 US dollars) for their reports "depending on their effectiveness" in helping the government keep track of what the opposition is doing or disorder its activities.

Exactly who is in charge of this program within the government is a matter of dispute, the journalists say. Many see it as a classic FSB operation, but others say – and the two versions are not necessarily contradictory -- that Vladislav Surkov, the deputy head of the Presidential Administration, controls it.

Leaders of various opposition groups told "New Times" that they have had experience with such operatives, although Robert Shlegel, a Duma deputy who serves as commissar of the pro-Kremlin Nashi organization, "categorically denied" their claims and those of Bukovskaya about such activities.

But the two journalists obtained what they say are copies of several of the reports that agents within the Oborona Group in St. Petersburg supposedly had sent forward, reports which resemble those from Soviet times that some investigators published when some KGB archives were open after 1991, and they append a portion of them to their article.

And they also offer the comments of one opposition leader which suggest that such people understand at least part of the game being played against them. Marina Litvinovich of OGF told the journalists that there are two kinds of penetration agents with which her organization has to deal.

There are those largely from youth groups like Nashi who collect information and send it in, and there are others, far more dangerous, who come from the FSB and the interior ministry's center for the struggle against extremism, who not only seek information but hope to use it to bring criminal charges against the opposition.

But there is one possibility that the authors of this article do not discuss but that may be equally importanht to understanding what is going on. The Soviet and presumably Russian intelligence services have always seen the timely exposing of their activities as part and parcel of their operational plans.

By revealing that they have penetrated opposition groups, these services make it more difficult for members of such groups to trust one another, cost them new recruits and lower their standing in the eyes of the broader population, all goals the sacrifice of a few agents is a price these services may be quite willing to pay.

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Re: Moscow Using Soviet-Era Tactic to Penetrate, Control Opposition Groups
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2009, 05:35:49 AM »
we do pretty close to the same thing.

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Re: Moscow Using Soviet-Era Tactic to Penetrate, Control Opposition Groups
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2009, 05:40:27 AM »
we do pretty close to the same thing.

Oh brother.  ::)

So you're saying the US is as close to Russia is to abolishing democracy?

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Re: Moscow Using Soviet-Era Tactic to Penetrate, Control Opposition Groups
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2009, 05:47:22 AM »
Oh brother.  ::)

So you're saying the US is as close to Russia is to abolishing democracy?

Yes, and the real Hugo Chavez is as democratic as they come! :-X
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2009, 05:49:06 AM »
Yes, and the real Hugo Chavez is as democratic as they come! :-X

According to a number of Getbiggers on this board, Venezuela is a beacon of success. Ultra high murder rates, unemployment, highest inflation in South America, the government nationalizing everything while the poor continue to starve. Wonderful country. The USA should take note of their tremendous success!

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2009, 06:13:23 AM »
I'm absolutely not going to play this game with you two.  That's what BF just said, not what I said.  I'm talking about "opposition groups" being spied on and infiltrated and hell even the pentagon has people posting on the net to sway opinion.  They spend a lot of money to do so from effecting hollywood scripts to news.  All this has been covered in the news.  I didn't pull it out of my ass.  That is what I meant.  Now you guys go ahead and do what you love to do and twist it to mean what you want me to mean.  I'm not playing.  You guys play with eachother ;)

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Re: Moscow Using Soviet-Era Tactic to Penetrate, Control Opposition Groups
« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2009, 06:23:07 AM »
Venezuela - Unemployment rate (%)
http://indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=ve&v=74

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Re: Moscow Using Soviet-Era Tactic to Penetrate, Control Opposition Groups
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2009, 06:24:54 AM »
Venezuela - Infant mortality rate (deaths/1,000 live births)
http://indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=29&c=ve&l=en

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2009, 06:27:53 AM »
Venezuela - GDP - per capita (PPP) (US$)
http://indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=67&c=ve&l=en

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 06:29:54 AM »
Oh what's this BF?

Venezuela - Population below poverty line (%)
http://indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?v=69&c=ve&l=en

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« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 06:50:46 AM »
National estimates of the percentage of the population falling below the poverty line are based on surveys of sub-groups, with the results weighted by the number of people in each group. Definitions of poverty vary considerably among nations. For example, rich nations generally employ more generous standards of poverty than poor nations.
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« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 06:54:09 AM »
Sounds great, why don't u move.

Outside the Economy. It will take all these new-found characteristics to solve the problems that face Venezuela. Oil production—2,770,000 bbl. a day, second only to the U.S.—brings the government $2,400,000 a day in revenue, gives Venezuela the highest per-capita income—$800 a year—in Latin America.

But oil brings poverty along with riches. Attracted by the smell of wealth and the hope of jobs, rural workers flock to oilfields and cities, only to sit idle in shantytowns. By leaving fields unworked behind them, they increase the need to import food. Last year the country spent $152 million to import staples such as wheat, corn, rice and meat. Imported eggs alone cost $30,000 a day.

The oil-economy prices are among the world's highest. It costs around $16,000 a year for a family to live a middle-class life in Caracas. And the wealth is sadly out of balance: 2,000,000 Venezuelans in a total population of 6,320,000 are outside the money economy entirely. Other problems that Betancourt faces:


¶ Large landowners, 1.9% of the farming population, hold 74% of the farming land; some 350,000 peasant families have neither land nor work.


¶ About 25% of Caracas' housing, 50% of housing in other cities and 99% of rural housing must be replaced.


¶ More than half the population is illiterate.


¶ Total population is jumping at a fast 3% a year, and the work force is growing by 60,000 a year; urban unemployment is rising.


¶ There is only one hospital bed for every 500 inhabitants.
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Re: Moscow Using Soviet-Era Tactic to Penetrate, Control Opposition Groups
« Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 07:16:22 AM »
why would I want to live there, I'm from here.  Visit sure, lots of places I'd like to visit.  Come on HH6, how many of you guys talk like he's hitler and has half of south america in the ovens already.  Just putting things into perspective.  Is it a paradise, well obviously not.  It it what half you assclowns make it out to be, no.  The last thing I wanted to see us do was run into another country down there blowing everything to shit and forcing the people to live our way.  If they want Hugo Chavez, if they want socialism, they voted for him.  I'm not sure what you dumb fucking one world empire nazis don't get about that. 

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« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 07:21:02 AM »
Well I'll tell u what I get...I understand Nazism, which u obviously don't. I undertand that Hugo is trying to be president for life and the people don't want that. I understand that he had to go crawling back to the oil companies. I understand he supports Left-Wing movements throughout Central and South America. I don't support one world government.....I understand ur a CT loon. I also have no desire to visit yet another 3rd world shithole like Venezuela..especially with a weapon strapped to me. We were never going to invade there, or wack Hugo...He's a clown.
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« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 07:24:38 AM »
Well I'll tell u what I get...I understand Nazism, which u obviously don't. I undertand that Hugo is trying to be president for life and the people don't want that. I understand that he had to go crawling back to the oil companies. I understand he supports Left-Wing movements throughout Central and South America. I don't support one world government.....I understand ur a CT loon. I also have no desire to visit yet another 3rd world shithole like Venezuela..especially with a weapon strapped to me. We were never going to invade there, or wack Hugo...He's a clown.
::)  drama queen.  I understand what I said above is true as fuck.  spaz all you want.

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« Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 07:31:09 AM »
This was not a spaz...try as u might to characterize it as such...u flip open the playbook on every post don't u. Lets see...fascist check.....nazi check....ignore facts..check..and when u can't debate anymore...u spaz/melted..check. Ur a epic idiot.
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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 07:37:08 AM »
This was not a spaz...try as u might to characterize it as such...u flip open the playbook on every post don't u. Lets see...fascist check.....nazi check....ignore facts..check..and when u can't debate anymore...u spaz/melted..check. Ur a epic idiot.
don't cry.  what is there to argue, I'm right on this.  You all make Hugo out to be the devil.  drama queens!  Did they vote for him?  Yup.  Did some things improve there, yup.  did some things get worse, yup... big fucking deal.  If we were all like you, we'd all be suckered into yet another invasion into a south american country blowing the fuck out of everyone.  For what, just so we can have our system working in their country.  I know you hate being wrong, but that's just what you usually are.  sorry buddy!

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« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 07:45:46 AM »
I'm not wrong and could never in a million years be wrong when arguing with a liberal CT nut...ok that aside. I have never once said we should invade Venezuela, nor did anybody in the Bush administration. I wished he choke on a taco but beyond that, I could care less. Hugo ur the drama queeen..u generally melt on most threads, in some manner. Ur backing a guy who wants to be El Presidente' for life. He controls all the media and he surpresses opposite opinions. Thats ur Nazi, but ur grasp of history,  beyond the nutjub conspiracies, is loose at best.
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« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 10:20:09 AM »
I'm absolutely not going to play this game with you two.  That's what BF just said, not what I said.  I'm talking about "opposition groups" being spied on and infiltrated and hell even the pentagon has people posting on the net to sway opinion.  They spend a lot of money to do so from effecting hollywood scripts to news.  All this has been covered in the news.  I didn't pull it out of my ass.  That is what I meant.  Now you guys go ahead and do what you love to do and twist it to mean what you want me to mean.  I'm not playing.  You guys play with eachother ;)

 ;D The stuff in bold is spot on and the underlined is LMAO material

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« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 10:31:09 AM »
;D The stuff in bold is spot on and the underlined is LMAO material

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