Market bottom?

[MuscleMcMannus]

back in Nov 2007 (Dow 14k/ Bush President) i predicted the stock market would crash, which not doubt has occurred. my focus now is not calling for the end of the world, but to locate a market bottom as the masses panic.



NT

Market bottom?  LOL who cares about a market bottom when your government is focused on taking away your rights, when most Americans will be unemployed for a very long time, when Amercan manufacturing has and is being systematically destroyed, when our southern border is wide open and Mexico's civil war will come home to roost, when the war in Afghanistan ramps up and pales in comparison to the war in Iraq..............but yeah.....there's always money to be made when world chaos ensues.  Afterall US companies supported both the Axis powers and the Allied powers.   

[JOHN MATRIX]

THE SKY IS FALLING!!!



 

and btw after last week i hope the market has finally bottomed, im getting sick of this shit

[Hereford]

Muscle has it right.

Can't really say in the intermediate term that the market is the most pressing issue to most people.

That Mexican civil war is going to be sending MILLIONS of refugees onto the public assistance roles. The US will actually have a third-world refugee crisis on home soil, and a corresponding homeland security breakdown to go with it.

[MuscleMcMannus]

Neuro isn't wrong to be talking about this stuff.  especially when it was posted in the thread on the subject.  And Muscle is wrong to say we shouldn't care about the market.  There's probably a thousand reasons that statement is absurd.  Are there other important issues, yea... Hate to say it but some of us can actually walk and chew gum at the same time

I'm not saying the market isn't important.  But it's a joke nowadays and in no way reflects the health of our economy or corporate America.  Neuro and most of the "traders" on Wallstreet sound more like bystanders sitting around a craps table in Vegas.  The stock market needs to be destroyed and reinvented.  It's corrupted and in no way represents the free market. 

[Hereford]

Neuro isn't wrong to be talking about this stuff.  especially when it was posted in the thread on the subject.  And Muscle is wrong to say we shouldn't care about the market.  There's probably a thousand reasons that statement is absurd.  Are there other important issues, yea... Hate to say it but some of us can actually walk and chew gum at the same time

Hugo, your my Getbig hero. 

[Hereford]

That's like all of the people around here saying the fed needs to be abolished.  It may be true but it's not happening.

The fed is a part of the New World Order. Their main office is under DIA. They have caves with fans in them.

[MuscleMcMannus]

The fed is a part of the New World Order. Their main office is under DIA. They have caves with fans in them.

Hey you can make fun of that shit but there is some rather crazy coincidences regarding the airport at DIA.  The symoblism etc.  And yes I don't buy all of it but there is some of if that makes a lot of sense.  And yes I've seen the various debunking videos. 

[Hereford]

You are no match for me with my superman underwear on.

'They' are going to put under the Denver airport with the aleins.

What then tough guy?

[MuscleMcMannus]

The fed is a part of the New World Order. Their main office is under DIA. They have caves with fans in them.

The FED itself is ambiguous.  It's the people who control the FED.  The banks who control the FED are PRIVATE i.e. owned by groups of people that can be traced back to the Rothschilds.  You can poke fun at these CT subjects all you want.  But when you take the time to look into the subject matter most of it is true, verifiable, and downright creepy.  

[a_joker10]

The FED itself is ambiguous.  It's the people who control the FED.  The banks who control the FED are PRIVATE i.e. owned by groups of people that can be traced back to the Rothschilds.  You can poke fun at these CT subjects all you want.  But when you take the time to look into the subject matter most of it is true, verifiable, and downright creepy.  

I think you need to do some real research.

The Fed is both private and public.

By the way the Fed should become a government agency.
This way it is easier to manage the economy.
It already needs congressional oversite to run.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs.htm
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/

[Neurotoxin]

I'm not saying the market isn't important.  But it's a joke nowadays and in no way reflects the health of our economy or corporate America.  Neuro and most of the "traders" on Wallstreet sound more like bystanders sitting around a craps table in Vegas.  The stock market needs to be destroyed and reinvented.  It's corrupted and in no way represents the free market. 

did you say Neuro, Vegas and Craps?   

[MuscleMcMannus]

I think you need to do some real research.

The Fed is both private and public.

By the way the Fed should become a government agency.
This way it is easier to manage the economy.
It already needs congressional oversite to run.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/faqs.htm
http://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/

Haha.  Ok buddy!  I've done plenty of research and read plenty of books on this topic.  You really don't want to have this argument with me.  Yes the FED is both private and public in a sense i.e. Chairman appointed by the President and all that bullshit.  But the banks that are given the authority to "print money" are private.  Meaning the money these private banks make by charging the US Government (i.e. the American people)  interest goes into their private coffers.  If the government was able to print its own money it would negate the paying of interest to these private banks who issue "money".  I mean hell why do you think Jefferson hated the banks/bankers so much?  The American people lost their ability to issue their own money like they did in the American colonies.  The FED will never become a government agency.  You saying that makes me realize you have no clue what the FED really is.  It will never be a government agency because the bankers who control it will never allow it.  If it were a government agency they wouldn't make any money in the form of compound interest on the national debt.  The FED needs to be ABOLISHED and we the people need to take back our power to print and coin our own "money".  There is nothing wrong with a fiat system of money if the people i.e. the government controls its issuance and the people are not charged interest on their own creation of money.  I.e. this is what the Chinese central bank does and it is the cornerstone of China's economic success along with their free market economy.  

[a_joker10]

Haha.  Ok buddy!  I've done plenty of research and read plenty of books on this topic.  You really don't want to have this argument with me.  Yes the FED is both private and public in a sense i.e. Chairman appointed by the President and all that bullshit.  But the banks that are given the authority to "print money" are private.  Meaning the money these private banks make by charging the US Government (i.e. the American people)  interest goes into their private coffers.  If the government was able to print its own money it would negate the paying of interest to these private banks who issue "money".  I mean hell why do you think Jefferson hated the banks/bankers so much?  The American people lost their ability to issue their own money like they did in the American colonies.  The FED will never become a government agency.  You saying that makes me realize you have no clue what the FED really is.  It will never be a government agency because the bankers who control it will never allow it.  If it were a government agency they wouldn't make any money in the form of compound interest on the national debt.  The FED needs to be ABOLISHED and we the people need to take back our power to print and coin our own "money".  There is nothing wrong with a fiat system of money if the people i.e. the government controls its issuance and the people are not charged interest on their own creation of money.  I.e. this is what the Chinese central bank does and it is the cornerstone of China's economic success along with their free market economy.  

China's "success" has been pegging their dollar on the American dollar and by subsidizing oil and energy purchases.
The value of there currency doesn't float enough and has been a major barrier for years.
The devalued currency could be viewed as tariff.
There "success" has little to do with how they print money.

[MuscleMcMannus]

China's "success" has been pegging their dollar on the American dollar and by subsidizing oil and energy purchases.
The value of there currency doesn't float enough and has been a major barrier for years.
The devalued currency could be viewed as tariff.
There "success" has little to do with how they print money.

You're right.  The pegging of their currency is important.  But the fact that the Chinese government prints interest free/debt free money which it in turn uses to invest in Chinese businesses is also just as important.  Who controls the issuance of money is extremely important.  Do you not realize this was the premise behind the American Revolution?  The Bank of England was furious at the American colonists printing their own money and using that to barter and trade among each other. 

[a_joker10]

federal reserve has little to no oversight by congress.

By the way the Fed should become a government agency.
This way it is easier to manage the economy.
It already needs congressional oversite to run.

If the congress has capitulated its duty, they should take it back.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac should belong to the government as well.