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What's so bad about killing children?
« on: March 05, 2009, 04:40:05 PM »
What's So Bad About Killing Children?

 
Imagine you are walking down the street, minding your own business, and a group of young children come up to you and start yelling loudly at you, calling you "Big Nose, Big Nose!" This angers you, of course. How dare these children mock you! What disrespect! They must have been poorly brought up, you think to yourself. You just happen to be packing an AK-47 fully-automatic assault rifle with you that day. In your mad rage, you open fire into the group of children, killing them all. The air is split by the loud clatter of gunfire, blood flies, the empty cartridge cases rain down upon the ground, and small bodies are shredded in gory chunks. Screams of small boys and girls fill the air-- they are filled with terror as they run left and right,  trying to escape your bullets-- but to no avail-- they can't run fast enough. You're able to hit them all. You stand there looking with satisfaction upon the result of your act: piled heaps of small bodies, blood soaked and shredded; the bodies of children who were but moments before happy and carefree, playing in the sunlight.
How outrageous, how horrendous, this example is. It resembles the worst of the tragic modern news stories of multiple homicides in the halls of our public schools. It's a terrible thing to contemplate, and I hope that we never have to hear such a thing on the news again. I even apologize to you for using such violent imagery. But I really wanted to get your attention.

Let's think about this a little further. Is there any way that we can justify this bloodshed? The children in the above example were terribly disrespectful to an adult. They mocked you. They called you "Big Nose". They were defying your authority. Certainly, they would have grown up to be terrible people. The world is better off without them. They were wicked. Isn't there some way we can look at this situation to justify their deaths? Is there any circumstance that can make this mass murder morally acceptable?

But, you say, children are just like that. They tease, they make fun of people. It's just natural for kids to mock, especially when they get into groups. Kids tend to follow the pack, and want to go along with what their friends do. Surely, this is only common sense! Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me, right? You would think this is common sense, right?

Then, gentle reader, please be so kind as to explain to me why God himself, the Loving Father, did just such a deed as this.

Please open your bible to 2 Kings, 2:23-24.

23: And he (Elisha) went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24: And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord.  And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."
Understandably, our nation went into a shock and a long period of mourning after the Columbine shootings, where around dozen high school students were killed. But here, forty-two little children were just dismembered! Picture the red blood on the sharp white teeth of bears; the long claws slashing open their tender young bodies. Picture the pain on their faces. Think of the faces of your own children. What of the feelings of the 42 mothers, and the 42 fathers? Imagine what went through their minds when they first looked upon the torn bodies of their little children. Now imagine the outrage, the horror, if something like this happened today. It is practically unthinkable. One wonders why God would even create these children if he were going to destroy them in so violent a way.

But the Christian spin-doctors tell us that it's okay, and that I'm just taking this story "out of context". How dare I question these verses? How dare I even bring it up? But that is, after all, the job of the Christian apologist: to tell people like me that they've taken the horrible parts of the bible "out of context", and to contrive elaborate excuses explaining why the bible doesn't really mean what it says.

I must be taking it out of context, right? That's the only explanation, isn't it? God would never do something so heartless, so malevolent, would he?. Please, then, tell me what is the context? Read the verses before and after the ones above: read verses 23 and 25. How does the context lessen the horror that these verses convey? These lines shed no light on the atrocity-- they change nothing at all.

I would ask the Christian this: In what context does the slaughtering of children become acceptable? Is there any circumstance in which you can justify this act? If so, what is your definition of morality? How then is morality absolute? Does the bible continue to deserve the label of "The Good Book"? If you still think so, then read the passages to your 6 year old child as a bedtime story. Make no mistake-- 2nd Kings 2:23-24 describes an act of mass murder, perpetrated by God himself, and all the worse for being carried out on children.



The Living Bible translates the event using the words "a gang of young men". The Living Bible is a "feel good" bible which tries to soften up the scriptures. This instance is a good case in point. The Hebrew words "na'ar qatan" are used for "little children". The word used for "children" is na'ar, [5288], which the Strong's Concordance defines as: "(concretely) a boy from the age of infancy to adolescence...also, (by interchangeable of sex), a girl (of similar latitude in age)". The word for "little" is qatan, [6996], which Strong's defines as "diminutive, literally (in quantity, size or number), or figuratively (in age or importance)." What this means is that the Hebrew words used in the original bible verses, "na'ar qatan" absolutely, positively mean "little children". The writers of the Living Bible, in translating "na'ar qatan" as "young men" (and then further coloring the text using the derisive word "gang") are being dishonest. They're trying to take the edge off the story.

The truth is that this is a horrible story found in a horrible book-- one that you would never read to your children. It is a story that is never read aloud in church... a story that priests and ministers would just as well sweep under the carpet. They would get out their scissors and snip it out of every single bible, if they could.

But they can't. They're stuck with it. And to them, it doesn't matter. But this story serves to illustrate that the made-up God of the bible is a heartless monster, full of pride, and devoid of conscience and mercy. So strong is the power of belief, the desire for eternal reward, that Christians are willing to overlook this and the other atrocities in the bible. There is nothing too awful that they would doubt their religious beliefs. They try to twist logic and twist the text to turn this immoral act into a moral one, and to exonerate their God of the blame. Most people ignore this passage, or are unaware of it. It is my task to make sure they become aware of it.

We are told that God is a god of mercy, of compassion. Jesus said that we should strive to be perfect just as our Father in Heaven. But there certainly is no hint of compassion or mercy in this biblical story. It is a story more worthy of a demon, than of God. But they claim that our "human" concept of mercy and justice can't be compared with God's. Then what do those words mean? How can they continue to even say that God is merciful and just? Christians who use this excuse must cease calling God just and merciful, because they are using our "limited human vocabulary".

But before you claim the all-time cop-out phrase: "But that's the Old Testament", and thereby disown 90% of your "perfect Word", please read this.

According to the bible, isn't Jesus the one and only God?  Did Jesus condemn any of his father's massacres?  No, of course not. In Matt 5:48 he says "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect."  (Matthew 5:48)  I guess sending bears to tear apart 42 little children is "perfect" in Jesus' eyes. I think it's as far from perfect as Hitler.

In John 1:1, we read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14, we read: "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." We are told explicitly that Jesus Christ IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!  But if you're a Christian, you probably already accept this. Therefore, by logical extension, you must also accept that it was Jesus Christ who sent two bears to chase down forty-two little kids and tear them limb from limb for just acting like kids. "What Would Jesus Do?"

So what does it all mean? It means that the loving God that Christians pretend to believe in is not the one portrayed in their own bible. Modern Christians have re-created the biblical God in their own, humanistic image. But of course they don't want to admit this. Killing children is wrong now, and it was wrong 2000 years ago. It is wrong if some deranged serial killer does it, and it is wrong in the pages of the bible. This kind of thinking is called moral consistency. They should try it sometime.

One more question for you to ponder, if you've gotten this far.  As grisly as it is, I would like you to consider the situation one more time. Here it is: A representative of God is walking up a hill into a city, and he is mocked by little children-- and God slaughters 42 of them.

Under the same circumstances, what would a devil have done? Would he have done anything differently?

Think about that.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2009, 06:57:12 AM »
OzmO on the Bible:

Much of it i do believe.  Especially the good wisdom.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2009, 07:10:23 AM »
OzmO on the Bible:

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And then when it comes to the other stuff common sense takes over.   ;)

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2009, 07:51:44 PM »
Apparently not!!!

Once again, it's a classic case of feigned outrage, void of any context, logic, or common sense (when it comes to this issue).

Whoever wrote this diatribe you just posted would have you believe that these were poor itty-bitty widdle kids, whom mean old Elisha and his bad old meanie God had ripped apart via two she-bears.

But, after further review.....

What's So Bad About Killing Children?

 
Imagine you are walking down the street, minding your own business, and a group of young children come up to you and start yelling loudly at you, calling you "Big Nose, Big Nose!" This angers you, of course. How dare these children mock you! What disrespect! They must have been poorly brought up, you think to yourself. You just happen to be packing an AK-47 fully-automatic assault rifle with you that day. In your mad rage, you open fire into the group of children, killing them all. The air is split by the loud clatter of gunfire, blood flies, the empty cartridge cases rain down upon the ground, and small bodies are shredded in gory chunks. Screams of small boys and girls fill the air-- they are filled with terror as they run left and right,  trying to escape your bullets-- but to no avail-- they can't run fast enough. You're able to hit them all. You stand there looking with satisfaction upon the result of your act: piled heaps of small bodies, blood soaked and shredded; the bodies of children who were but moments before happy and carefree, playing in the sunlight.
How outrageous, how horrendous, this example is. It resembles the worst of the tragic modern news stories of multiple homicides in the halls of our public schools. It's a terrible thing to contemplate, and I hope that we never have to hear such a thing on the news again. I even apologize to you for using such violent imagery. But I really wanted to get your attention.

Let's think about this a little further. Is there any way that we can justify this bloodshed? The children in the above example were terribly disrespectful to an adult. They mocked you. They called you "Big Nose". They were defying your authority. Certainly, they would have grown up to be terrible people. The world is better off without them. They were wicked. Isn't there some way we can look at this situation to justify their deaths? Is there any circumstance that can make this mass murder morally acceptable?

But, you say, children are just like that. They tease, they make fun of people. It's just natural for kids to mock, especially when they get into groups. Kids tend to follow the pack, and want to go along with what their friends do. Surely, this is only common sense! Sticks and stones can break my bones, but words can never hurt me, right? You would think this is common sense, right?

Then, gentle reader, please be so kind as to explain to me why God himself, the Loving Father, did just such a deed as this.

Please open your bible to 2 Kings, 2:23-24.

23: And he (Elisha) went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.
24: And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord.  And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them."
Understandably, our nation went into a shock and a long period of mourning after the Columbine shootings, where around dozen high school students were killed. But here, forty-two little children were just dismembered! Picture the red blood on the sharp white teeth of bears; the long claws slashing open their tender young bodies. Picture the pain on their faces. Think of the faces of your own children. What of the feelings of the 42 mothers, and the 42 fathers? Imagine what went through their minds when they first looked upon the torn bodies of their little children. Now imagine the outrage, the horror, if something like this happened today. It is practically unthinkable. One wonders why God would even create these children if he were going to destroy them in so violent a way.

But the Christian spin-doctors tell us that it's okay, and that I'm just taking this story "out of context". How dare I question these verses? How dare I even bring it up? But that is, after all, the job of the Christian apologist: to tell people like me that they've taken the horrible parts of the bible "out of context", and to contrive elaborate excuses explaining why the bible doesn't really mean what it says.

That's simply because you (or whoever) wrote this mess is INDEED taking things out of context. For all of this bleating, has the author of this gibberish ever asked, exactly why a gang of "little children" would leave the outskirts of a city and travel to a desert road, ALL FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of picking on a guy who was folically challenged?


I must be taking it out of context, right? That's the only explanation, isn't it? God would never do something so heartless, so malevolent, would he?. Please, then, tell me what is the context? Read the verses before and after the ones above: read verses 23 and 25. How does the context lessen the horror that these verses convey? These lines shed no light on the atrocity-- they change nothing at all.

I would ask the Christian this: In what context does the slaughtering of children become acceptable? Is there any circumstance in which you can justify this act? If so, what is your definition of morality? How then is morality absolute? Does the bible continue to deserve the label of "The Good Book"? If you still think so, then read the passages to your 6 year old child as a bedtime story. Make no mistake-- 2nd Kings 2:23-24 describes an act of mass murder, perpetrated by God himself, and all the worse for being carried out on children.

The Living Bible translates the event using the words "a gang of young men". The Living Bible is a "feel good" bible which tries to soften up the scriptures. This instance is a good case in point. The Hebrew words "na'ar qatan" are used for "little children". The word used for "children" is na'ar, [5288], which the Strong's Concordance defines as: "(concretely) a boy from the age of infancy to adolescence...also, (by interchangeable of sex), a girl (of similar latitude in age)". The word for "little" is qatan, [6996], which Strong's defines as "diminutive, literally (in quantity, size or number), or figuratively (in age or importance)." What this means is that the Hebrew words used in the original bible verses, "na'ar qatan" absolutely, positively mean "little children". The writers of the Living Bible, in translating "na'ar qatan" as "young men" (and then further coloring the text using the derisive word "gang") are being dishonest. They're trying to take the edge off the story.


Ummmm.....NO!! This guy just undercut his own argument. He just said that the word, na'ar means a male from infancy to ADOLESCENCE. Now, which do you think would leave the boundaries of a city to confront Elisha, a baby, a little boy, or an ADOLESCENT?

Qatan, means "diminutive, literally (in quantity, size or number), or figuratively (in age or importance)", by this guy's own words. Since they obviously aren't small in number, based on how many got jacked up by those bears, that leaves us with the other meaning.

Either they're little in age or importance. Regarding age, again, why would a bunch of little boys leave the confines of a city, traveling on a desert road to confront a guy, just for the sake of picking on his baldness?

As for importance, compared to a Hebrew worshipping the Lord, some heathen boys would be of lesser importance.

Based on that, and the other context of the passage, it's easy to conclude that the translation of "gang of young men" would be fitting in this instance (more on that, later).

The bottom line here is that this guy is talking out of both sides of his mouth (or perhaps, another orifice). He gives the range of meanings for na'ar and qatan, one minute. Then, he swears up and down that these words mean only "little chidren", an argument that's easy to dismember, when reading the essence of the text.


The truth is that this is a horrible story found in a horrible book-- one that you would never read to your children. It is a story that is never read aloud in church... a story that priests and ministers would just as well sweep under the carpet. They would get out their scissors and snip it out of every single bible, if they could.

The heck it ain't read aloud. I've heard this story (as have friends of mine) on a number of occasions in church. And, nobody that I know has altered their Bibles to take this account out of Scripture. Heck, I've heard sermons preached on this throughout the years.


But they can't. They're stuck with it. And to them, it doesn't matter. But this story serves to illustrate that the made-up God of the bible is a heartless monster, full of pride, and devoid of conscience and mercy. So strong is the power of belief, the desire for eternal reward, that Christians are willing to overlook this and the other atrocities in the bible. There is nothing too awful that they would doubt their religious beliefs. They try to twist logic and twist the text to turn this immoral act into a moral one, and to exonerate their God of the blame. Most people ignore this passage, or are unaware of it. It is my task to make sure they become aware of it.

NEWS FLASH!!! We're well aware of it and have been, long before you (the author of this spiel) start flapping them lips, spewing out silliness. The mere fact that this guy can reference 2 Kings 2 in any Bible he pleases exposes this howling for the foolishness that it is.

With that said, let's look at the scenario for what it is.

Elisha has just left Jericho, where he and his mean-old-cruel-heartless-God just helped the citizens there restore their river, so the people can have fresh water to drink, water their crops and cattle, and be healthy, well-fed people (Boy, is that Jehovah a real jerk!!!!)

Then, while Elisha is walking down the road, en route to his next destination (MINDING HIS OWN BUSINESS), here come them sweet, precious "little children", surrounding him and chanting the words, "Go up, Thou bald head!!!".

We are told that God is a god of mercy, of compassion. Jesus said that we should strive to be perfect just as our Father in Heaven. But there certainly is no hint of compassion or mercy in this biblical story. It is a story more worthy of a demon, than of God. But they claim that our "human" concept of mercy and justice can't be compared with God's. Then what do those words mean? How can they continue to even say that God is merciful and just? Christians who use this excuse must cease calling God just and merciful, because they are using our "limited human vocabulary".

But before you claim the all-time cop-out phrase: "But that's the Old Testament", and thereby disown 90% of your "perfect Word", please read this.

According to the bible, isn't Jesus the one and only God?  Did Jesus condemn any of his father's massacres?  No, of course not. In Matt 5:48 he says "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect."  (Matthew 5:48)  I guess sending bears to tear apart 42 little children is "perfect" in Jesus' eyes. I think it's as far from perfect as Hitler.

In John 1:1, we read "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." In verse 14, we read: "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us." We are told explicitly that Jesus Christ IS THE GOD OF THE OLD TESTAMENT!  But if you're a Christian, you probably already accept this. Therefore, by logical extension, you must also accept that it was Jesus Christ who sent two bears to chase down forty-two little kids and tear them limb from limb for just acting like kids. "What Would Jesus Do?"

So what does it all mean? It means that the loving God that Christians pretend to believe in is not the one portrayed in their own bible. Modern Christians have re-created the biblical God in their own, humanistic image. But of course they don't want to admit this. Killing children is wrong now, and it was wrong 2000 years ago. It is wrong if some deranged serial killer does it, and it is wrong in the pages of the bible. This kind of thinking is called moral consistency. They should try it sometime.

One more question for you to ponder, if you've gotten this far.  As grisly as it is, I would like you to consider the situation one more time. Here it is: A representative of God is walking up a hill into a city, and he is mocked by little children-- and God slaughters 42 of them.

Under the same circumstances, what would a devil have done? Would he have done anything differently?

Think about that.

Already did, which is why it's so easily to laugh at this pathetic attempt at outrage, over the situation.

Recap: Elisha has just helped solve a water crisis, so that people can drink and have crops and food. As he's leaving, a bunch of "little children" leave the confines of the city and confront him.

Again, we ask why this is happening. My Answer:

The fact that they're chanting, "Go up, Thou bald head" gives us a clue. This isn't just some random occurence of some guy getting teased. These "kids" know who Elisha is; and they know who his mentor is, ELIJAH, who just got translated into heaven in a whirlwind, (hence the "Go up" chants). As for the "bald head" stuff, as I recall, shaving one's head was done as a sign of mourning.

Elisha was mourning over the fact that Elijah, his teacher, was gone. And, while traveling the road, still stricken with grief, he gets rushed by these "kids". If you ever lived in certain ghettos, chances are you KNOW that you can get accosted, nay, JACKED by a bunch of teenage thugs (Crips, Bloods, etc.), at any time. Therefore, the "gang of young men" translation from the NLT or "young lads" from the NASB fits the bill for these guys.

Just as Elisha was a student of Elijah, it appears that these "kids" were actually students, too. That is, they may have been protoges of the prophets of Baal, the same prophets of Baal that Elijah DESTROYED in a priestly face-off in this same region. If that's the case, it's safe to say that they weren't happy with the outcome. And since Elijah's gone, guess on whom they plan to take their frustrations.......

When you get bum-rushed by a bunch of goons, that's usually not a good thing. The bad news was that Elisha had only two helpers. The good news was those helpers were TWO SHE-BEARS!!! The text says that those bears mauled 42 "of their number". If the bears only got to 42 of them, HOW MANY of these "kids" actually went after Elisha?

The point is simple. These "kids" weren't a bunch of rugrats, sitting in Bethel Day care, munching on gummy goats and drinking their sippy cups of pomegrante juice, as whoever the heck wrote this mess would have you think.

These were goons and thugs, with evil and nasty intentions for Elisha. Fortunately, that mean-old-pesky-God likes to protect His prophets, especially after they've helped a thirsty people get fresh water. ;D

In conclusion, we see yet another pitiful bleat-fest, aimed at disparaging Scripture, exposed and dissected for the foolishness that it is.

But, what else is new? 
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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2009, 10:08:01 PM »
You actually took the time to apply your twisted child murderer worship logic to it?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH


I won't even bother reading what you wrote, because it's probably more of the whacked nut job babble you spew on the other stuff.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2009, 05:55:35 AM »
You actually took the time to apply your twisted child murderer worship logic to it?


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH


I won't even bother reading what you wrote, because it's probably more of the whacked nut job babble you spew on the other stuff.

In other words, you will be, what you accused me of being elsewhere, a "coward" and not "man up" to the fact, that this cut-and-paste job is as error-ridden as the other mess you've been posting, as of late.

I guess the Lord is supposed to let His prophets get assaulted by teenage thugs, simply because you (or whoever wrote this mess) are SOOOOOOO concerned about the mommies and daddies of these hoodlums ::) .

This guy tried to paint Elisha's persecuters, again, as a bunch of cuddly itty-bitty kids, sitting in Bethel Day care, munching on gummy goats, and drinking their sippy cups of pomegrante juice, which was hardly the case.

If, heaven forbid, you get accosted by a bunch of teen thugs, we'll see how much your heart grieves for their parents, when the calvary starts cracking their heads open to save YOUR LIFE.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2009, 08:01:21 AM »
In other words, you will be, what you accused me of being elsewhere, a "coward" and not "man up" to the fact, that this cut-and-paste job is as error-ridden as the other mess you've been posting, as of late.

I guess the Lord is supposed to let His prophets get assaulted by teenage thugs, simply because you (or whoever wrote this mess) are SOOOOOOO concerned about the mommies and daddies of these hoodlums ::) .

This guy tried to paint Elisha's persecuters, again, as a bunch of cuddly itty-bitty kids, sitting in Bethel Day care, munching on gummy goats, and drinking their sippy cups of pomegrante juice, which was hardly the case.

If, heaven forbid, you get accosted by a bunch of teen thugs, we'll see how much your heart grieves for their parents, when the calvary starts cracking their heads open to save YOUR LIFE.

You still haven't answered the question i asked in another thread (still in coward status) and you still being an apologist with your murderer logic.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2009, 08:56:47 AM »


I guess the Lord is supposed to let His prophets get assaulted by teenage thugs, simply because you (or whoever wrote this mess) are SOOOOOOO concerned about the mommies and daddies of these hoodlums ::) .


Oh yeah ::), that's how we deal with unruly teens.  KILL THEM!    lol

Not only is the God you worship a murderer, he's also uncivilized and ignorant.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2009, 12:21:55 PM »


If, heaven forbid, you get accosted by a bunch of teen thugs, we'll see how much your heart grieves for their parents, when the calvary starts cracking their heads open to save YOUR LIFE.

If teens were to start calling me names I'd fear for my life.   ::)

What a whack job.



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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2009, 01:22:24 PM »
You still haven't answered the question i asked in another thread (still in coward status) and you still being an apologist with your murderer logic.

I've answered your question multiple times, Ozmo. And, I'm hardly being an apologist, because I apologize for nothing that I've said, regarding this matter.

If teens were to start calling me names I'd fear for my life.   ::)

What a whack job.


Again, let some Crips and Bloods, rolling at least 42 deep, confront you and see just how "uncivilized" you act.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2009, 01:47:15 PM »
I've answered your question multiple times, Ozmo. And, I'm hardly being an apologist, because I apologize for nothing that I've said, regarding this matter.

Again, let some Crips and Bloods, rolling at least 42 deep, confront you and see just how "uncivilized" you act.

Oh so now these "children" have become crips and bloods making fun of someone being bald?   ::)

You'll stop a nothing to justify the murder of children.

You should stay away from schools.

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2009, 01:51:19 PM »
Oh so now these "children" have become crips and bloods making fun of someone being bald?   ::)

You'll stop a nothing to justify the murder of children.

You should stay away from schools.

Once again, you make managed to display your point-missing skills, coupled with a need to have your sobriety questioned. That might also explain why you have yet to show exactly why a bunch of "little chlidren" would leave a city, head to a desert road, all for the expressed purpose of simply picking of a prophet's bare head.

The issue with Elisha has nothing to do with his merely being bald. These goons knew he was Elijah's protoge and had ill intentions in mind.

It seems you'll stop at nothing to try to paint hooligans as sweet little lambs, who just being a bit bratty, all in an attempt to bolster your faux outrage.

Again, lay off the cold ones.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2009, 02:00:52 PM »
Once again, you make managed to display your point-missing skills, coupled with a need to have your sobriety questioned. That might also explain why you have yet to show exactly why a bunch of "little chlidren" would leave a city, head to a desert road, all for the expressed purpose of simply picking of a prophet's bare head.

The issue with Elisha has nothing to do with his merely being bald. These goons knew he was Elijah's protoge and had ill intentions in mind.

It seems you'll stop at nothing to try to paint hooligans as sweet little lambs, who just being a bit bratty, all in an attempt to bolster your faux outrage.

Again, lay off the cold ones.

You've embellished quite alot.  from them being crips and bloods to this.  Were they also AQ and Elisha Laura Bush?

BTW,  i haven't said one thing or another about those kids other what was written.  You on the other hand have made up quite a lot about them.  You enjoy lying to yourself don't you?

does it help you sleep at night?  Neve rmind, you'd kill a child on god's orders, this is nothing to you.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2009, 02:04:39 PM »
little children = little teen gang bangers.......


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA AHAHAH


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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2009, 02:15:41 PM »
You've embellished quite alot.  from them being crips and bloods to this.  Were they also AQ and Elisha Laura Bush?

Nowhere did I claim that the ones who attacked Elisha were Crips and Bloods. It appears that your eyes are bloodshot, because it's impairing your vision.


BTW,  i haven't said one thing or another about those kids other what was written.  You on the other hand have made up quite a lot about them.  You enjoy lying to yourself don't you?

Yes, you have. You've hidden behind an anonymous author's words, conveniently positioning them as your own.....until the errors get exposed. Then, you try to distance yourself from it. What I've said about Elisha's tormentors is based on the text and the background information within that text.


does it help you sleep at night?  Neve rmind, you'd kill a child on god's orders, this is nothing to you.

Actually, a can of warm milk does that.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #15 on: March 07, 2009, 03:51:06 PM »
Nowhere did I claim that the ones who attacked Elisha were Crips and Bloods. It appears that your eyes are bloodshot, because it's impairing your vision.

yes but you used that as a justification to send bears to rip children to bits.
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Yes, you have. You've hidden behind an anonymous author's words, conveniently positioning them as your own.....until the errors get exposed. Then, you try to distance yourself from it. What I've said about Elisha's tormentors is based on the text and the background information within that text.

It said little children, never the less, still pretty evil to kill them teens or otherwise for call someone baldy.

But not for a person who's admitted they'd kill a child on God's orders.


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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2009, 11:20:52 AM »
yes but you used that as a justification to send bears to rip children to bits.


It said little children, never the less, still pretty evil to kill them teens or otherwise for call someone baldy.

But not for a person who's admitted they'd kill a child on God's orders


There's nothing "evil" about rescuing a prophet (especially one, who just helped a city get fresh clean water) from a bunch of thugs.

Again, if you get confronted by a street gang, with clear intentions of beating you up, the LAST THING that will be on your mind is what happens to them (or the emotional state of their parents), while you're in the process of being rescued.

This issue isn't about Elisha's bald head. These folks know who Elisha is (and they know who his mentor is). The geographical area and the political/religious situation suggest that these "kids" were actually protoges of Baal prophets. And they went after Elisha, with intents to do bodily harm.

Once again, why else would AT LEAST 42 "kids" leave the confines of a city, travel on a desert road, and go after one guy, all for the mere sake of picking on his lack of hair?

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2009, 02:19:33 PM »

There's nothing "evil" about rescuing a prophet (especially one, who just helped a city get fresh clean water) from a bunch of thugs.

Again, if you get confronted by a street gang, with clear intentions of beating you up, the LAST THING that will be on your mind is what happens to them (or the emotional state of their parents), while you're in the process of being rescued.

This issue isn't about Elisha's bald head. These folks know who Elisha is (and they know who his mentor is). The geographical area and the political/religious situation suggest that these "kids" were actually protoges of Baal prophets. And they went after Elisha, with intents to do bodily harm.

Once again, why else would AT LEAST 42 "kids" leave the confines of a city, travel on a desert road, and go after one guy, all for the mere sake of picking on his lack of hair?

HAHAHAH  from little children to thugs  hahahahahaha,  the power of God?  he could have just froze them temporarily and then let the prophet do his thing,  but NO, God likes to kill children.  after all, it's not enough the adults fear him, the children must fear him too.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2009, 03:00:25 PM »
MCWAY AND Ozmo...you are meant for each other and since Oz lives in California, you can get married there! ;D
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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2009, 04:24:46 PM »
MCWAY AND Ozmo...you are meant for each other and since Oz lives in California, you can get married there! ;D

You must not be keeping up with the news. Notwithstanding that fact that I'm not gay (and I'm already married, as is he, I think), gay "marriage" ain't legal in CA, at present time.

HAHAHAH  from little children to thugs  hahahahahaha,  the power of God?  he could have just froze them temporarily and then let the prophet do his thing,  but NO, God likes to kill children.  after all, it's not enough the adults fear him, the children must fear him too.

What's next, giving them their own planet, because it tickles Ozmo's fancy?  ::)

Did you bother looking up the Hebrew words (in the very blather-fest you posted)? Or did you simply take this author's word for it "blindly" that those Hebrew words could ONLY MEAN "little children".

If Deicide is right about your being from California, then you'd know better than anyone about the young hoodlums that comprise street gangs.

Of course, you still have yet to answer the aforementioned question. And, as stated earlier, had you been in a similar situation (then or now), your concern would hardly be for the well-being of your would-be assailants (or their parents).

But, why let that stop your ranting?  ;D

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2009, 05:43:05 PM »


What's next, giving them their own planet, because it tickles Ozmo's fancy?  ::)



Shouldn't be too hard for your mind to grasp.  Oh wait, killing is always the answer for you.

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Did you bother looking up the Hebrew words (in the very blather-fest you posted)? Or did you simply take this author's word for it "blindly" that those Hebrew words could ONLY MEAN "little children".

It won't matter if they were grown men and they were taunting the prophet.  Killing little children is wrong.  Killing people, teens, children, adults, because they  teased a prophet is wrong, is vicious, is murderous, and demostrates, once again, how insecure and how much low self esteem the God you worship has.

I'm not surprised, this doesn't bother anyway.  You've already admitted you'd kill a child on God's orders and have spent quite sometime defending that very action.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2009, 05:57:14 PM »
Shouldn't be too hard for your mind to grasp.  Oh wait, killing is always the answer for you.

NOPE!! But, if one's safety is in peril, I have no issue with use of deadly force. I believe in the right to bear arms, as did Elisha....LITERALLY!!! ;D


It won't matter if they were grown men and they were taunting the prophet.  Killing little children is wrong.  Killing people, teens, children, adults, because they  teased a prophet is wrong, is vicious, is murderous, and demostrates, once again, how insecure and how much low self esteem the God you worship has.

I'm not surprised, this doesn't bother anyway.  You've already admitted you'd kill a child on God's orders and have spent quite sometime defending that very action.

I'm not surprised by your continued whining, either. No matter what God does, you'll find something wrong with it, if it doesn't float your philosophical boat. Fortunately, He doesn't answer to you, or any other human being.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2009, 06:34:13 PM »
NOPE!! But, if one's safety is in peril, I have no issue with use of deadly force. I believe in the right to bear arms, as did Elisha....LITERALLY!!! ;D


Yeah,  i know.  That's how God uses his unlimited power.  He murders with it.  Never mind having a shred of wisdom to see the situation for what it is and how his unlimited power can do things with out having to resort to murder.

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I'm not surprised by your continued whining, either. No matter what God does, you'll find something wrong with it, if it doesn't float your philosophical boat. Fortunately, He doesn't answer to you, or any other human being.

Whining?   Pointing out murder is whining?  Our entire court system is built around whining.  shame on me for whining about cold blooded murder. 

God does quite a lot that's good.  He hasn't zapped your murderer worshipping ass has he?   :)

Aside from that, the Bible is filled with many nuggets of wisdom, however it's also filled with slavery, murder, and suffering at the hands of prophets.  Pretty easy to see the difference, unless of course you are a brain washed drone like yourself.

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #23 on: March 09, 2009, 05:29:25 AM »
Yeah,  i know.  That's how God uses his unlimited power.  He murders with it.  Never mind having a shred of wisdom to see the situation for what it is and how his unlimited power can do things with out having to resort to murder.

Yep! It's HIS unlimited power, to do what He wants, when He wants, with what is His, whether Ozmo likes it or not and regardless of how much Ozmo cries about the situation.


And, He has more than just a shred....He has PLENTY of wisdom, which YOU have admitted that you like (that is, until it grates your philosophical psyche).


Whining?   Pointing out murder is whining?  Our entire court system is built around whining.  shame on me for whining about cold blooded murder. 

Whining would be referring to your recent rash of name-calling and blitz of anti-Biblical cut-and-paste jobs from the standard "God-is-a-big-meanie" websites.


God does quite a lot that's good.  He hasn't zapped your murderer worshipping ass has he?   :)

Once again, you're in denial of the fact that the same God, responsible for the teaching and wisdom from YOUR Christian upbringing and the One who judged the Amalekites are one and the same.


Aside from that, the Bible is filled with many nuggets of wisdom, however it's also filled with slavery, murder, and suffering at the hands of prophets.  Pretty easy to see the difference, unless of course you are a brain washed drone like yourself.


Suffering at the hands of prophets? I'm sorry!! Which prophets caused this alleged suffering again? Once again, either the same God who sent Jesus Christ (the source of your Christian upbringing) is the same as He who judged the Amalekites, or he is not.

Which is it?

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Re: What's so bad about killing children?
« Reply #24 on: March 09, 2009, 08:18:11 AM »
Yep! It's HIS unlimited power, to do what He wants, when He wants, with what is His, whether Ozmo likes it or not and regardless of how much Ozmo cries about the situation.


I'm not crying about it, I'm pointing out hypocrisy.  I don't worship a hypocrite. 

This is hypocrisy is proof the Bible is not the 100% WOG. 

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Whining would be referring to your recent rash of name-calling and blitz of anti-Biblical cut-and-paste jobs from the standard "God-is-a-big-meanie" websites.

God is a big meanie?    ???   The God in the OT is murderer.  plain and simple.  no different than Adolf Hitler

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Suffering at the hands of prophets? I'm sorry!! Which prophets caused this alleged suffering again? Once again, either the same God who sent Jesus Christ (the source of your Christian upbringing) is the same as He who judged the Amalekites, or he is not.

Which prophet allegedly relayed God's orders to commit genocide?