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US manufacturers seek protection from climate bill

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More Business & Investing News... WASHINGTON, March 24 (Reuters) - Production of steel, cement, chemicals and other energy-intensive products could move overseas unless a proposed bill to fight global warming gives U.S. manufacturers tax breaks or other subsidies, an industry coalition told lawmakers on Tuesday.

"If the U.S. enacts tough global warming regulation but other key manufacturing nations do not, production of energy-intensive goods may well shift to the unregulated countries," said John McMackin on behalf of the Energy-Intensive Manufacturers' Working Group.

The coalition includes steel companies US Steel (X.N) and Nucor (NUE.N), paper producer NewPage Corp_[NEWPG.UL], aluminum manufacturer Alcoa (AA.N) and chemicals giant Dow (DOW.N).

McMackin testified at a hearing in the U.S. House of Representatives to examine the trade implications of proposed legislation to fight global warming by restricting carbon and other greenhouse gas emissions.

He told the House Ways and Means trade subcommittee his group believed the best way to prevent production shifts would be for Congress to give energy-intensive manufacturers free carbon trading credits or to reduce their compliance costs through a refundable tax credit or some other mechanism.

Representative Kevin Brady, the top Republican on the trade subcommittee, said the United States could lose "a stunning $162 billion in export sales" as result of higher costs if Congress does not move carefully on the climate bill.

Leo Gerard, president of the United Steelworkers union, said a combination of free allowances and border taxes could be needed to stop jobs from moving to countries like China which are likely to have less stringent controls.

"In commodity-based industries like steel, glass, chemicals, rubber and paper, even small differences in production costs can devastate an industry if they are not managed effectively," Gerard said.

David Hamilton, director of global warming and energy programs for the Sierra Club, said the world was in a race against time to prevent severe climate change that "will challenge nearly aspect of society."

Border measures, rebates or allocations could help level the playing field for U.S. producers, "but they will not create incentives for developing countries to reduce their domestic emissions or to cooperate in the negotiations" to reach a new global climate treaty in December, Hamilton said.

To persuade countries like China to make measurable and verifiable actions to rein in their own emissions, the United States should commit to a goal of reducing carbon emissions by 8 to 14 percent below 1990 levels by 2020, Hamilton said.

It should also agree to help developing countries buy clean energy technologies and to protect their forests, he said. (Reporting by Doug Palmer; Editing by Brian Moss)

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Please again tell me how this helps the economy and jobs?????



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It's not only global warming that is the catalyst for wanting responsible manufacturing.  Our air, water and climate are being damaged by the millions of tons of pollution these manufacturers dump annually. 

China is an environmental cesspool.  It's environment causes almost 2 million premature deaths a year.  700 million drink fetid water.  Air quality is nonexistent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_of_China

I don't think we want that for our country.


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It's not only global warming that is the catalyst for wanting responsible manufacturing.  Our air, water and climate are being damaged by the millions of tons of pollution these manufacturers dump annually. 

China is an environmental cesspool.  It's environment causes almost 2 million premature deaths a year.  700 million drink fetid water.  Air quality is nonexistent.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environment_of_China

I don't think we want that for our country.



But if we already do things cleaner than China, Russia, and India, why are we going to self impose taxes on us that these countried will not go along with it?

Also, where are all these people going to get jobs when these plants go to China?




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But if we already do things cleaner than China, Russia, and India, why are we going to self impose taxes on us that these countried will not go along with it?

Also, where are all these people going to get jobs when these plants go to China?

We do these things b/c we strive to have breathable air--no more ozone downdays, potable water--no more PCBs and more.  We want a livable environment.

If US companies want to relocate in foreign lands to avoid tax payments, we'll let them.  We can also bring the full force of the federal gov. down on these expatriates.  We can drive their foreign made products from our shores.  We can drop like a hammer on any efforts of these traitors to enjoy the benefits of the US (living here for instance) while avoiding any of the burdens - env. taxes. etc.

Sooner or later, Russia, China, and INdia will have to go green.  Pollution will not magically get better without human effort to do so.

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We do these things b/c we strive to have breathable air--no more ozone downdays, potable water--no more PCBs and more.  We want a livable environment.

If US companies want to relocate in foreign lands to avoid tax payments, we'll let them.  We can also bring the full force of the federal gov. down on these expatriates.  We can drive their foreign made products from our shores.  We can drop like a hammer on any efforts of these traitors to enjoy the benefits of the US (living here for instance) while avoiding any of the burdens - env. taxes. etc.

Sooner or later, Russia, China, and INdia will have to go green.  Pollution will not magically get better without human effort to do so.


This whole thing seems very dubious to me espcecially since the govt is just going to spend the money on other things..