T or F: Ronnie is huge cause he lifted heavy weights for low reps....

[theworm]

1. True or false: Coleman built his physique with heavy weights for low reps.
Taken from Flex magazine...

FALSE. Coleman has long used prodigious weights, including such legendary lifts as an 800-pound squat (for one rep) and an 805-pound deadlift (for two reps), but these feats don’t reflect the manner in which he has regularly trained during his 15-year pro career.
Over the years, Coleman has almost always kept his reps in a moderate range of 10-12 per set. In the workout we witnessed — only two weeks before the 2006 Olympia — he did 365-pound bench presses for 10 reps and 315- pound incline presses for 12.
“I go for 10 reps per set,” he says. “Sometimes I might only get eight or nine, but I was going for 10. Missing 10 doesn’t happen very often, though — maybe just the last couple sets of a workout. If I can keep going at 10, I do, but if I get more than 12, the weight was too light, and I’ll use more next time.”

maybe more moderate weight at higher reps is the key???

[Emmortal]

1. True or false: Coleman built his physique with heavy weights for low reps.
Taken from Flex magazine...

FALSE. Coleman has long used prodigious weights, including such legendary lifts as an 800-pound squat (for one rep) and an 805-pound deadlift (for two reps), but these feats don’t reflect the manner in which he has regularly trained during his 15-year pro career.
Over the years, Coleman has almost always kept his reps in a moderate range of 10-12 per set. In the workout we witnessed — only two weeks before the 2006 Olympia — he did 365-pound bench presses for 10 reps and 315- pound incline presses for 12.
“I go for 10 reps per set,” he says. “Sometimes I might only get eight or nine, but I was going for 10. Missing 10 doesn’t happen very often, though — maybe just the last couple sets of a workout. If I can keep going at 10, I do, but if I get more than 12, the weight was too light, and I’ll use more next time.”

maybe more moderate weight at higher reps is the key???

Maybe being a fucking alien from another planet is the key.

You need to experiment to find what works best for you.  And what works best for you changes as you progress through development.  There are no absolutes especially when it comes to bodybuilding.

[bigbobs]

Ronnie was doing 700-800 lb deadlifts and 10-15 reps for most other exercises during the years he competed at 220-230.  He didn't get so big because of any change in his training. HTH

[#1 Klaus fan]

It's best to use them all. All bodybuilders go heavier sometimes I'm sure. Powerlifters, weightlifters, strongmen, they all agree that various rep ranges are all beneficial. Powerlifters, for example, can do sets of 6 for a couple of months in preparation for the heavier months. Hey that's bodybuilding!  

(In accessory work they of course go even lighter 10-15 reps.)

[Sam]

Ronnie was a genetic freak who would have made an olympic weightlifter/national powerlifter if he so wished.

[NarcissisticDeity]

Maybe being a fucking alien from another planet is the key.

You need to experiment to find what works best for you.  And what works best for you changes as you progress through development.  There are no absolutes especially when it comes to bodybuilding.

QFT

[The Showstoppa]

There are no absolutes especially when it comes to bodybuilding.

How about......vince goodrum will absolutely never win the Olympia?

[Meso_z]

1. True or false: Coleman built his physique with heavy weights for low reps.
Taken from Flex magazine...

FALSE. Coleman has long used prodigious weights, including such legendary lifts as an 800-pound squat (for one rep) and an 805-pound deadlift (for two reps), but these feats don’t reflect the manner in which he has regularly trained during his 15-year pro career.
Over the years, Coleman has almost always kept his reps in a moderate range of 10-12 per set. In the workout we witnessed — only two weeks before the 2006 Olympia — he did 365-pound bench presses for 10 reps and 315- pound incline presses for 12.
“I go for 10 reps per set,” he says. “Sometimes I might only get eight or nine, but I was going for 10. Missing 10 doesn’t happen very often, though — maybe just the last couple sets of a workout. If I can keep going at 10, I do, but if I get more than 12, the weight was too light, and I’ll use more next time.”

maybe more moderate weight at higher reps is the key???

Ronnie lifted heavy, for high reps.

[The Showstoppa]

Ronnie lifted heavy, for high reps.

I prefer light, for low reps.   don't want to get all muscle-bound ya know.

[pumpster]

Ronnie was doing 700-800 lb deadlifts and 10-15 reps for most other exercises during the years he competed at 220-230.  He didn't get so big because of any change in his training. HTH

He was not going heavy w/ low reps on the regular, nah. That's just for videos.

It's best to use them all.

Most guys will get injured going to low reps with very high weight, with a few exceptions-guys who never get injured, are genetically blessed.

[bigbobs]

He was not going heavy on the regular, nah. That's just for videos.

I've never even seen his old videos, I just remember really old Flex magazines saying he deadlifts I think it was 735 for a few reps.  This was when he was much smaller.  He had a powerlifting background so always lifted heavy.  He didn't mysteriously start lifing heavier in 98/99.

[pumpster]

I've never even seen his old videos, I just remember really old Flex magazines saying he deadlifts I think it was 735 for a few reps.  This was when he was much smaller.  He had a powerlifting background so always lifted heavy.  He didn't mysteriously start lifing heavier in 98/99.

Right, and that article never said how regularly he did that. Just like those other videos he probably tried for max. every 6-12 months.

Coleman's regular training is 8-15 reps, a fair amount of giant sets using 15 reps/set.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Most guys will get injured going to low reps with very high weight, with a few exceptions-guys who never get injured, are genetically blessed.

Weightlifters usually train the heaviest of any sports, sticking usually to 3 reps or under, often doing only singles. And they have lower risk of injury compared to powerlifters, regular gym goers etc. basically everybody.

And lets see who were the bodybuilders who trained heavy. Arnold (when younger), Columbu, Ferrigno, Coleman for example. Do they have more injuries than the rest?

Of course you need to slowly build up to bigger weights, you can't make huge jumps.

[pumpster]

And lets see who were the bodybuilders who trained heavy. Arnold (when younger), Columbu, Ferrigno, Coleman for example. Do they have more injuries than the rest?

Poor examples. With the exception of Columbu who is one of the lucky ones who rarely got hurt, those other guys were not going extra heavy with low reps (powerlifting) during BB careers. Therefore your examples don't stand up. Low reps for them were 5-6 reps a set for multiple sets, and most of the time the reps were higher than that. That's not going heavy in terms of low reps or ponderous weight.


Now just like Coleman they might've had fun trying singles or doubles once every long while just to see, but that was not part of the program. Same thing with Oliva BTW, a former olympic lifter.

[#1 Klaus fan]

Poor examples. With the exception of Columbu who is one of the lucky ones who rarely got hurt, those other guys were not going extra heavy with low reps (powerlifting) during BB careers. Therefore your examples don't stand up. Low reps for them were 5-6 reps a set for multiple sets, and most of the time the reps were higher than that. That's not going heavy in terms of low reps or ponderous weight.

Same thing with Oliva BTW, a former olympic lifter.

Oh yeah Oliva too.

I mentioned those because they achieved quite high strength levels. You are right they didn't train like that their whole career.

[bigbobs]

Right, and that article never said how regularly he did that. Just like those other videos he probably tried for max. every 6-12 months.

Coleman's regular training is 8-15 reps, a fair amount of giant sets using 15 reps/set.

What reason do you have to believe that Ronnie did that type of heavy training less frequently in the early to mid-nineties than he did later in his career?

[Rami]

Ronnie by his own account trains high reps, always has. Only lift huge weights for camera shots in his movies. Still his every day training was probably heavy for most people to handle. He had the same kind of drive that Arnold had to do whatever it takes in the gym.

He said he blew out a vertebra in his lower back in his younger days, it sounded like a gunshot went of in the gym, still went on too win 8 MR.O after that. He was relentless for sure.

[QuakerOats]

Ronnie is unbelieveably strong but the reality is that his "normal" weights for benches is probably in the 405 for 10-12 range, 600 on squats for 10-12 and maybe 650 or so for 10 on deadlifts, still far beyond what 99 percent of bodybuilders do.

[pumpster]

What reason do you have to believe that Ronnie did that type of heavy training less frequently in the early to mid-nineties than he did later in his career?

There's a lot more available online that shows his routines and him training in the moderate to high cateogry. That evidence and his own words are all over the place.