Quit funding the IRS

[Tre]

Close the buildings and make all those people go get real jobs.

[GigantorX]

Close the buildings and make all those people go get real jobs.

Back off.

A totally asinine, backwards, inefficient and 10,000 page tax code needs a few people to care for it.

Forget the IRS, just ask for a new take on the 16th Amendment. Kind of sucks that the govt. can keep taking as much money as they deem "appropriate" from you.

[MindSpin]

I paid over $150,000 fucking dollars in taxes for 08

[GigantorX]

I paid over $150,000 fucking dollars in taxes for 08

Have fun funding pork, pet projects, welfare and other fun adventures.

The growth of the Govt in both size, power and control can be directly linked to the 16th Amendment.

[Tre]

I paid over $150,000 fucking dollars in taxes for 08

If there was no income tax, and instead we paid a 25% sales tax on our purchases (except say, food), how much do you think you would've paid in taxes?  Rough estimate, to the nearest $25,000.

[The Coach]

I paid over $150,000 fucking dollars in taxes for 08

Wait till next year.

[The Coach]

Flat tax.

[Tre]

Wait till next year.

Nah, it's 2011 when they're really going to begin to kill us.

So, you've got about a year or so to HIDE YOUR SHIT.

Just sayin'...

[bigdumbbell]

I paid over $150,000 fucking dollars in taxes for 08

as my grandfather told me..."to whom much is given, much is expected"

[Dballn247]

Flat tax.

+1

[Ex Coelis]

taxes pay for social programs, better roads, health care, and a strong military

[The Coach]

taxes pay for social programs, better roads, health care, and a strong military

LOL!!

[Tre]

*classic*

[240 is Back]

can anyone share an example of a nation which has abolished income taxes and successfully used a flat tax?

[tendonitis]

i became a democrat this year just so i wouldn't have to pay taxes

if it's good enough for barry's cabinet it's good enough for me

[GigantorX]

can anyone share an example of a nation which has abolished income taxes and successfully used a flat tax?

Honestly? Before the worldwide economic meltdown one could say it was the Eastern Bloc nations. Of course, they kept spending like they had a "progressive" tax system and were leveraged to the hilt from mad borrowing from W. European nations.

It almost isn't totally about just having the Flat Tax (I don't agree with it 100% either) it is about having some sort of easier and more efficient tax code, eliminating deductions and cutting the IRS and other such garbage to the bone. In my dream world, the govt. would have to apportion the incoming "revenue" from the taxpayers and we, as a nation/govt, would have to look into the abyss and really make the choice about wanting to pay for all the programs and huge govt etc etc.

In the case of the last 50 years, well, we haven't made that choice.....and now here we are.

[240 is Back]

Honestly? Before the worldwide economic meltdown one could say it was the Eastern Bloc nations. Of course, they kept spending like they had a "progressive" tax system and were leveraged to the hilt from mad borrowing from W. European nations.

It almost isn't totally about just having the Flat Tax (I don't agree with it 100% either) it is about having some sort of easier and more efficient tax code, eliminating deductions and cutting the IRS and other such garbage to the bone. In my dream world, the govt. would have to apportion the incoming "revenue" from the taxpayers and we, as a nation/govt, would have to look into the abyss and really make the choice about wanting to pay for all the programs and huge govt etc etc.

In the case of the last 50 years, well, we haven't made that choice.....and now here we are.

Personally, I think a consumption tax will fail.

Is it fair? Sure.  However the average walmart shopper making 18k a year is ONLY doing to spend $18k a year, right?

Let's say he spends $5k of that at Walmart.

With a 25% flat tax, he'll still spend all his money ($5k) but he'll only purchase $4k worth of goods.  Can our nation survive a scenario where 20 or 25% of total goods stop being purchased?

I was hoping someone could show examples where this has worked in the past.  Usually it's rich guys like Forbes trying to sell it.  You don't see too many people making $18k asking for a 25% reduction in their buying power

[ASJChaotic]

THERE IS NO NEED TO FILE AN INCOME TAX


HOPE THIS HELPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

[Tre]

Personally, I think a consumption tax will fail.

Is it fair? Sure.  However the average walmart shopper making 18k a year is ONLY doing to spend $18k a year, right?

Let's say he spends $5k of that at Walmart.

With a 25% flat tax, he'll still spend all his money ($5k) but he'll only purchase $4k worth of goods.  Can our nation survive a scenario where 20 or 25% of total goods stop being purchased?

I was hoping someone could show examples where this has worked in the past.  Usually it's rich guys like Forbes trying to sell it.  You don't see too many people making $18k asking for a 25% reduction in their buying power

The complexity of the next tax code would shift to the classification of goods and services. 

We would limit the sales tax on food to, say, 10%, but then tax on clothes would be 25%.

Tax on automobiles would be 20%, but maybe the tax on 'accessories' would be 30%. 

The good thing about that is that we'd force people to learn responsible spending habits.  Can't afford the sales tax?  Then you can't afford the purchase, period. 

[MindSpin]

If there was no income tax, and instead we paid a 25% sales tax on our purchases (except say, food), how much do you think you would've paid in taxes?  Rough estimate, to the nearest $25,000.

I spent less than $50,000 last year...

[MindSpin]

as my grandfather told me..."to whom much is given, much is expected"

I had nothing given to me.  Every dollar was earned.  Oh well....

[shootfighter1]

Between my business and personal, I wasted $1400 for tax preparation.  The tax code is inefficient and needs to be changed.  I am all for some kind of consumption tax, national sales tax...at least there should be some heavy debate going on.
Between all the different taxes totalled, it feels like we are getting raped.

[Soul Crusher]

Between my business and personal, I wasted $1400 for tax preparation.  The tax code is inefficient and needs to be changed.  I am all for some kind of consumption tax, national sales tax...at least there should be some heavy debate going on.
Between all the different taxes totalled, it feels like we are getting raped.

The politicians wont go for it since it means you having control over how much taxes you pay.

[shootfighter1]

Right, thats why we must control the politicians.  When most of them get into office, they don't want to make cuts and spending decreases.  The people must speak out.
Actually I think its un-American to blindly criticizing the tea parties.  The basic point is a call to washington to exercise more restraint, stop printing $, stop the deficit spending and respect our tax dollars.  Should there have been a protest during Bush 2...of course.  But better late than never.
We cannot give up what made this country great.  The protest is just as much about the direction the government is going as what we are experiencing now.

[Soul Crusher]

Right, thats why we must control the politicians.  When most of them get into office, they don't want to make cuts and spending decreases.  The people must speak out.
Actually I think its un-American to blindly criticizing the tea parties.  The basic point is a call to washington to exercise more restraint, stop printing $, stop the deficit spending and respect our tax dollars.  Should there have been a protest during Bush 2...of course.  But better late than never.
We cannot give up what made this country great.  The protest is just as much about the direction the government is going as what we are experiencing now.

And why do you think they are against this???

Very simple answer:

1.  They want unending taxes
2.  They want huge federal govt.
3.  They want more social spending
4.  They want amnesty for illegals
5.  They want even more taxes on business
6.  They want bailouts to continue forever