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Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« on: February 21, 2009, 10:36:06 AM »
Next few headlines:  "Obama Abandons 18 Month Iraq Withdrawal," "Obama Abandons Plan to Close Gitmo," and "Military Commissions Resume." 

Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees

By Terry Frieden
CNN

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The Obama administration told a federal court late Friday it will maintain the Bush administration's position that battlefield detainees held without charges by the United States in Afghanistan are not entitled to constitutional rights to challenge their detention.
Former detainees pray near Kaubul in 2005 following their release from U.S. custody at Bagram Air Base.

"Having considered the matter, the government adheres to its previously articulated position," said a Justice Department document filed in federal court in Washington.

In a controversial 5-4 vote, the Supreme Court last year ruled that detainees held at the U.S. naval base at Guantanamo Bay had a right under the constitution to challenge their continued detention. However, the court did not say whether it applied to prisoners in other locations abroad, including Afghanistan.

Five prisoners held at Bagram Air Base, backed by human rights groups, have gone to court to claim the same rights as the men detained in Guantanamo Bay.

The new administration, which was given a month by a federal judge to declare whether the government wants to change its position, has now indicated it will continue to argue that it is against its security interests to release enemy combatants in a war zone.

Barbara Olshansky, lead counsel for three of the detainee petitioners, said that the administration's decision was "deeply disappointing."

"We are trying to remain hopeful that the message being conveyed is that the new administration is still working on its position regarding the applicability of the laws of war -- the Geneva Conventions -- and international human rights treaties that apply to everyone in detention there," she said.

The air base at Bagram, located north of the city of Kabul, houses between 600 and 650 detainees. Most were picked up for suspected ties to terrorism.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/02/20/afghan.detainees/index.html

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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #1 on: February 21, 2009, 12:45:01 PM »
Has anyone else come to the conclusion that behind closed doors none of the worlds leaders want Gitmo closed? Outside of the ACLU douchebags, terrorist supporters and the terrorists themselves, I dont think anyone wants it closed.

While a lot of people hate Bush ( I myself dislike him as well) I feel Gitmo was a damned good idea ( if not his only good idea) and without the morons on the Supreme Court interfering, it would have been an even better idea.

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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2009, 12:51:52 PM »
can't you torture the shit out of bad guys more discretely?

i mean, parading them around in jumpsuits and cages is good for jihadist recruiting.

just do that shit quietly and at least lessen some of the blowback.  Remember right after the scandal when 2 us troops were tortured beyond regognition and killed, and the guilty used gitmo as their justification?

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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #3 on: February 21, 2009, 12:54:28 PM »
Oh god, cue in the resident conspiracy theorist and liberal apologist 240 or bust to swing in on a chandelier with nonsensical tales of woe he cant factually substantiate.

So, you think if Gitmo had never been opened those two soldiers would have been given a room at the plaza with shiatsu massages by their captors instead of being tortured to death? You really are a moron.

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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #4 on: February 21, 2009, 01:13:31 PM »
can't you torture the shit out of bad guys more discretely?

i mean, parading them around in jumpsuits and cages is good for jihadist recruiting.

just do that shit quietly and at least lessen some of the blowback.  Remember right after the scandal when 2 us troops were tortured beyond regognition and killed, and the guilty used gitmo as their justification?
yet you are ok with taking pics and vids of fallen soldiers coming home? yea b/c that wont spur jihadist at all right? especially when your leftist buddies spin those pics/vids and use it for poltical gain that wont spur jihadists right?  ::)

Your a fuking idiot if you believe that those soldiers wouldnt have been killed otherwise how many have been caputured and released?

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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #5 on: February 21, 2009, 01:18:01 PM »
yet you are ok with taking pics and vids of fallen soldiers coming home? yea b/c that wont spur jihadist at all right? especially when your leftist buddies spin those pics/vids and use it for poltical gain that wont spur jihadists right?  ::)

Your a fuking idiot if you believe that those soldiers wouldnt have been killed otherwise how many have been caputured and released?

ZERO also agreed to allow people to carry concealed weapons in parks as W allowed. 


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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2009, 01:46:45 PM »
yet you are ok with taking pics and vids of fallen soldiers coming home?

i'm okay with letting the family decide.


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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #7 on: February 21, 2009, 01:55:00 PM »
i'm okay with letting the family decide.


so your are against what obama has decided?

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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #8 on: February 21, 2009, 01:58:02 PM »
so your are against what obama has decided?

against.

I think the family should be notified, then given a little time to decide if they want it to be open or not.

If they want 5 minutes to speak their appreciation for their child for the country to hear, then god bless them, let them.  If they want it private, let them have that.

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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #9 on: February 21, 2009, 02:16:40 PM »
They should definitely keep the soldiers faces/bodies private, but no reason they should censor the caskets.  WTF
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Re: Obama administration keeps Bush view on Afghanistan detainees
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2009, 03:47:24 PM »
Court again rejects lawsuit over alleged Gitmo mistreatment
By Bill Mears
CNN Supreme Court Producer
     
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A lawsuit filed against the U.S. government by four British men formerly held at the military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, was dismissed again Friday by a federal appeals court.

The three-judge panel agreed with assertions made by both the Bush and Obama administrations that the men were not entitled to relief in federal courts because the prisoners were foreigners held outside the United States.

The men claim they were physically abused, tortured and denied their religious freedom rights.

At issue is what rights noncitizens have to contest in U.S. courts their treatment by the U.S. military during a time of war.

The Supreme Court had ordered the appeals court to reconsider its decision last year denying the British prisoners' claims. The high court has said the roughly 240 men held at Guantanamo are entitled to some rights under the U.S. Constitution.

But in their 11-page ruling, the three appeals court judges reiterated their view that U.S. officials could not be held responsible for any mistreatment because "there was no authority for -- and ample authority against -- plaintiffs' asserted rights at the time of the alleged misconduct."

The four British Muslim prisoners claim they were held and interrogated "under appalling conditions" in Afghanistan and at the U.S. Navy base at Guantanamo. They claim beatings, painful shackling and humiliating treatment over their Muslim faith, such as interrupted prayers and being forced to shave their beards.

They sued Pentagon officials and officers under the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, but their claims have been repeatedly rejected. The men said the Pentagon officials -- including former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld -- authorized and carried out the mistreatment. The military denies the claims.

The appeals court said the U.S. officials should not be held responsible for lawsuits over their conduct, in part because the four prisoners have since been released from custody. "We do not require government employees to anticipate future developments in constitutional law," said the three judges, all of whom were named to the bench by Republican presidents.

"At the time of their detention, neither the Supreme Court nor this court had ever held that aliens captured on foreign soil and detained beyond sovereign U.S. territory had any constitutional rights," the court said.

The Obama administration filed a brief in the case supporting the Pentagon officials, saying that holding such officials liable for developments in the future could affect their ability to make appropriate policy decisions.

The attorneys for Shaqif Rasul, one of the four former prisoners, had successfully argued an earlier, separate case that reached the Supreme Court in 2004, the year Rasul was freed and returned to England.

In that case, the justices said the detainees had a basic right to challenge their confinement in federal court.

"The courts of the United States have traditionally been open to nonresident aliens," the high court said in its 6-3 ruling. That right was reaffirmed in a ruling in June involving another Guantanamo prisoner, Bosnian Lakhdar Boumediene.

Federal courts in Washington have since been flooded by a variety of appeals from current and former Guantanamo prisoners.

The case ruled on Friday is Rasul v. Myers (06-5209).

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/24/gitmo.lawsuit/index.html?iref=werecommend