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Ironies of 'a Devout Non-Ideologue'
« on: April 27, 2009, 10:14:03 AM »
Ironies of 'a Devout Non-Ideologue'

By E.J. Dionne Jr.
Monday, April 27, 2009

How many ironies can a single presidency engender? Barack Obama is a detached man who has inspired fierce loyalties, and a cool man who has aroused both warm feelings of affection and a fiery opposition.

He loves to engage conservatives, yet few of them have chosen to engage him. He is seen as too moderate by parts of the left, but the right thinks he has a radical, statist agenda.

Wall Street's critics believe Obama's approach to rescuing the financial system amounts to coddling the bankers and financial scammers who got us into this mess. But many on the Street say Obama doesn't understand them and fear he is a secret populist who would displace finance as the dominant force in the U.S. economy.

On torture, Obama sought a middle ground: He ended the practice, disclosed what happened and proposed that we move on. Yet the right opposed disclosure, parts of the left wanted more accountability and their fight brought forth all of the bitterness Obama wants to put behind us.

The man does more than defy labels. He hates them. At a briefing for columnists last week to influence the coming 100-day assessments, a senior Obama adviser, struggling to offer a philosophical definition of the 44th president, finally settled on calling him "a devout non-ideologue."

But the mysteries and paradoxes of these 100 days cannot be unraveled without an understanding that the president is more than a "whatever works" guy. Obama would not inspire such loyalty if his supporters did not see (correctly) that he has an agenda to move the country to a very different place. He would not inspire such resistance if his opponents did not sense exactly the same thing.

There can be no denying that if Obama succeeds, government will play a larger role in American life because access to health care will be guaranteed by Washington and the financial system will face much tougher rules. The federal government will be influencing education and its financing more than it does now and will push the country toward reliance on a new mix of energy sources.

It's equally clear that the financing for all this will depend more heavily on taxes paid by the wealthiest Americans and that assistance to the neediest Americans will grow. As one social activist to Obama's left who was closely involved in the stimulus fight observed, "When it has the opportunity, the administration always puts its thumb on the scale in favor of doing more for the poor." Obama doesn't tout that fact, and he is not a radical egalitarian. But he certainly is for more equality.

In foreign affairs, the picture is blurrier, partly because this is an area in which Obama really is opposed to an ideological approach. This is precisely what separates him from the previous administration. Without question, the pragmatic Obama is winning the United States new friends in the world. He will need to show how this new affection translates into support for American positions and material help for American undertakings.

The first 100 of the 1,461 days in a presidential term are an imperfect predictor of how a leader will ultimately be judged. But they do offer a clear look at a president's style. Obama, on the whole, has been as crisp a decision maker and as calm an influence on his aides and his country as he was during the campaign.

But the most intriguing aspect of Obama's presidency so far may be the way in which he combines intelligence and intellect. The two are quite different, as Richard Hofstadter noted more than four decades ago in his instructive book, "Anti-Intellectualism in American Life."

Intelligence, Hofstadter argued, is an "unfailingly practical quality" that "works within the framework of limited but clearly stated goals." Intellect, on the other hand, is the mind's "creative and contemplative side" that "examines, ponders, wonders, theorizes, criticizes, imagines."

For Obama's base of progressive and liberal supporters, it is his intellectual side that draws such fierce loyalty and admiration, while his conservative foes mistrust the very part of him that imagines and dreams -- because they do not share his dreams.

But Obama's continued high standing in the polls rests on the great middle of the electorate that doesn't care if he's intellectual as long as he is smart enough to fix things. Obama and his aides know this, which is why our intellectually inclined president will continue to sow mystery by casting himself as a mechanic, a problem-solver and "a devout non-ideologue."
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Re: Ironies of 'a Devout Non-Ideologue'
« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2009, 10:22:22 AM »
What a waste.  I found this line hysterical.

"Obama would not inspire such loyalty if his supporters did not see (correctly) that he has an agenda to move the country to a very different place. He would not inspire such resistance if his opponents did not sense exactly the same thing."


No shit, his followers are all expecting him to pay their mortgages, gas bills, etc. 

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Re: Ironies of 'a Devout Non-Ideologue'
« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2009, 10:30:17 AM »
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What a waste.
Yet you read every word, as you do all of my posts.  ;)



No shit, his followers are all expecting him to pay their mortgages, gas bills, etc. 

Who believes this?  ??? Can we get a quote or video of someone stating these assumptions? 
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2009, 10:35:04 AM »
Yet you read every word, as you do all of my posts.  ;)

Who believes this?  ??? Can we get a quote or video of someone stating these assumptions? 

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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2009, 10:40:49 AM »
What a waste.  I found this line hysterical.

"Obama would not inspire such loyalty if his supporters did not see (correctly) that he has an agenda to move the country to a very different place. He would not inspire such resistance if his opponents did not sense exactly the same thing."


No shit, his followers are all expecting him to pay their mortgages, gas bills, etc. 


Yes, they do expect that...  and you'd better believe that expectation isn't by accident.  That was a very calculated, deliberate move by Obama and his campaign spin machine.  He ain't no dummy.

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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2009, 10:50:53 AM »
Yes, they do expect that...  and you'd better believe that expectation isn't by accident.  That was a very calculated, deliberate move by Obama and his campaign spin machine.  He ain't no dummy.



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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2009, 11:16:09 AM »
I think it is safe to say that Benny got destroyed in this thread. 

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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2009, 11:20:39 AM »
I think it is safe to say that Benny got destroyed in this thread. 
but it has the thumbs up

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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2009, 11:33:16 AM »
but it has the thumbs up

How can we forget this gem????


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Re: Ironies of 'a Devout Non-Ideologue'
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2009, 11:46:08 AM »
Does anyone seriously consider Palin in any serious way? ???
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2009, 11:50:23 AM »
Does anyone seriously consider Palin in any serious way? ???

It doesnt matter, the media created a story line that these fools bought into and thought she was the one making the nonsensical statements that ZERO made.


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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 12:34:49 PM »




That was truly painful to watch thinking those  . . . . .  canceled out my vote. 

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2009, 02:09:04 PM »
That was truly painful to watch thinking those  . . . . .  canceled out my vote. 

My favorite was the idiot union jerkoff.THATS A TYPICAL union idiot,they have NO IDEA why they vote democrat but becuase their union rep told them to,they vote democratic.He was actually dumber then the all the rest of those people because they at least had the race issue to fall back on,this dope is typical of the sheeple in this country.

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« Reply #15 on: April 28, 2009, 10:31:35 AM »
I think it is safe to say that Benny got destroyed in this thread. 
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« Reply #16 on: April 28, 2009, 10:34:09 AM »

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« Reply #18 on: April 28, 2009, 01:43:00 PM »
Decide...question. RP said he'd pull out of Iraq had he won as did Barry. RP would also have had to be work on about the same timeline as Barry. He'd also have closed Gitmo. Besides that what else do u support about this guy. He's a pretty friggen conservative Republican. There is no way he could pull back from all those bases and all the places we're involved in. Barry has found out the same thing, despite the badgering from the worst of the Left.
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« Reply #19 on: April 28, 2009, 03:16:43 PM »
Decide...question. RP said he'd pull out of Iraq had he won as did Barry. RP would also have had to be work on about the same timeline as Barry. He'd also have closed Gitmo. Besides that what else do u support about this guy. He's a pretty friggen conservative Republican. There is no way he could pull back from all those bases and all the places we're involved in. Barry has found out the same thing, despite the badgering from the worst of the Left.

RP would have gotten us out of of Iraq asap and given time out of Korea, Europe, Australia and all the other places we are at. But yes, special interests would have stopped him cold. Can't get past them....well maybe.

Things I support about Ron Paul: Monetary policy, foreign policy, defence of civil liberties, tax reform, ending the war on drugs, ending the welfare state...and so on. Only issue I don't agree with him on is abortion.
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« Reply #20 on: April 28, 2009, 07:58:50 PM »


Things I support about Ron Paul: Monetary policy, foreign policy, defence of civil liberties, tax reform, ending the war on drugs, ending the welfare state...and so on. Only issue I don't agree with him on is abortion.

Pretty much sums it up for me too. At least he doesn't force his beliefs on anyone and has a clearer picture for what the role of government should be better than anyone else.

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« Reply #21 on: April 28, 2009, 08:42:39 PM »
RP would have sold out to corporate interests.

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« Reply #22 on: April 29, 2009, 12:25:07 AM »
RP would have sold out to corporate interests.

He hasn't in over 30 years, why would he had he been prez?
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« Reply #23 on: April 29, 2009, 02:31:08 PM »
who says he didn't before hand??

What do you have against RP now? You used to support him?!
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