Ah crap, GOP governor to be outed....

[BM OUT]

I care.  I'm a republican - not a neoconservative.  I voted repub until I realized all the BS of WMD, 911, eocnomy breaks for wealthy, fearmongering, etc.

I would LOVE LOVE LOVE to see the repubs run a great candidate in 2012.  Not some polarizing far-right extremist.  rather, someone to unite the country.  Obama is a far-leaning left president.  i'd love to see a moderate win.

Mccain claimed ot be a moderate - and was until 2007.  THEN, after 8 years of dissing bush on economic policy, he suddenly adopted it.  That wasn't a moderate move.

Run a moderate in 2012 and win.  or, wait until 2016 and run a far-rightish candidate and it'll be close.


Now, no more death threats, mmmkay tony?

The idea that you think McCain turned into a conservative is silly.He is a lib.DESPISED by conservatives!!!Please name a time when the republicans ran a moderate or left leaning goof and won?They dont need to be far right,is Romney FAR RIGHT?The democrats call anyone who doesnt support partial birth abortions and Americans driving lawnmowers instead of cars as far right extremists.The republicans problem is they have allowed the left to dictate whats right wing and whats moderate.

[240 is Back]

youre no conservative bro i have no repsect for ppl who dont say what they believe and believe what they say...

I am conservative on just about every domestic issue.

I felt the war in Iraq was a BS move for oil and bases.
I felt Bush economic plan - giving Exxon tax cuts while letting middle class shrink, and allowing many jobs to skate overseas - was a poor move.  So did mccain and a lot of other repubs.

I'm anti-abortion, pro-death pentaly (ironic? lol)
Pro-gun, anti-patriot act.  
Pro self defense, pro cutting welfare, pro testing welfare recipients for drgus, anti-amnesty.

I think the only thing I disagreed with Bush on was the war and his econmic policy which hooked up the rich.

Heck, I probably act and live a lot more like a conservative than many of the so-called repubs here who all voted Clinton in 92 when I was bad-mouthing him to anyone in my high school who would listen


But hey, you can call me a lib.
I didn't back the party hijack known as neoconservatism.  neither did ron paul and a lot of other repubs.

[Eyeball Chambers]

In all honesty RPF i dont think ron paul would win the presidency im not saying i wouldnt like him to but he is out there on certain issues man im not saying he is wrong but i dont think he would appeal to main stream america to be honest.

I kind of agree, unless the media got behind him and told people he was the right guy.

[kcballer]

You know, Tom Ridge was on MSNBC last night talking about the need for repubs to STOP tossing out every "moderate" repub who has a few liberal positions.  He said that is what is destroying the party.  The base keeps labeling, judging, and rejecting those Repubs who take even a single position outside of the normal, labeling them as unpatriotic, etc.

I think he might be right. 

I see people here saying "Screw Crist, screw arnold" because these governors are in near-bankrupt states who NEED handouts (macro welfare) to survive.  And when Crist and Arnold jump parties to run for Senate, you'll say "good riddance".  And soon, you'll have 15% of Americans claiming to be republicans. 

You're losing your party because of your intolerance.  Or is Tom Ridge a "lib" for pointing this out?

Exactly 240.  The rep party has yet to recognize this.  They think that extreme right is the ONLY way and that this will lead them back into power.  Uh news flash that's what got you OUT of power.  That and you destroyed your own candidate in the elections long before Obama did. 

[240 is Back]

Exactly 240.  The rep party has yet to recognize this.  They think that extreme right is the ONLY way and that this will lead them back into power.  Uh news flash that's what got you OUT of power.  That and you destroyed your own candidate in the elections long before Obama did. 

You'd think when TOM RIDGE, who was almost the VP in 2000, says it, they would listen.

Unfortunately, you have former Clinton voters who are here telling us they know more about how to fix the Repub party than Tom Ridge.

It's baffling. 

[kcballer]

You'd think when TOM RIDGE, who was almost the VP in 2000, says it, they would listen.

Unfortunately, you have former Clinton voters who are here telling us they know more about how to fix the Repub party than Tom Ridge.

It's baffling. 

Well i honestly don't care if they fix it.  I'm more left leaning anyway.  i just like politics whether it's repub or dem it's enjoyable to read about.  But right now it's sad how quickly they are melting down, blaming everyone else for their mistakes.  Heck look how they blame McCain for losing to obama yet no one gave him jack sh*t in terms of money for his campaign, none of the right wing media stations focused on him, they just focused on how bad obama was.  Giving obama more media face time. 

[240 is Back]

Well i honestly don't care if they fix it.  I'm more left leaning anyway.  i just like politics whether it's repub or dem it's enjoyable to read about.  But right now it's sad how quickly they are melting down, blaming everyone else for their mistakes.  Heck look how they blame McCain for losing to obama yet no one gave him jack sh*t in terms of money for his campaign, none of the right wing media stations focused on him, they just focused on how bad obama was.  Giving obama more media face time. 

haha yes, remember when obama could afford a 30 minute infomercial in prime time, and mccain couldn't afford airtime, even with public financing?

hell, remember obama DECLINING 85 million tax dollars, and running the campaign solely on donations? 

[kcballer]

haha yes, remember when obama could afford a 30 minute infomercial in prime time, and mccain couldn't afford airtime, even with public financing?

hell, remember obama DECLINING 85 million tax dollars, and running the campaign solely on donations? 

haha i know! It was quite sad really.  Obama just destroyed him with financing which led to more air time, which led to an election win.  At it's fundamental core it's a popularity contest.  Who can get to the most people and be the most popular.  With some actual help from his own party McCain may have been able to put up a fight.  As it stood he was basically alone and left to fend for himself.  Admirable in defeat too.  I personally like McCain he is a great man and a great hero.  It's a shame his stance on torture and the like skewed the opinion of those who weren't half the man he is.  Maybe if they spent some time in the Hanoi hotel they'd feel a little different too.

[tonymctones]

I am conservative on just about every domestic issue.

I felt the war in Iraq was a BS move for oil and bases.
I felt Bush economic plan - giving Exxon tax cuts while letting middle class shrink, and allowing many jobs to skate overseas - was a poor move.  So did mccain and a lot of other repubs.

I'm anti-abortion, pro-death pentaly (ironic? lol)
Pro-gun, anti-patriot act.  
Pro self defense, pro cutting welfare, pro testing welfare recipients for drgus, anti-amnesty.

I think the only thing I disagreed with Bush on was the war and his econmic policy which hooked up the rich.

bro you defend obamas welfare of the auto industry and banking industry, his outrageous spending, closing of gitmo to bring some of the prisoners here to the US and the list goes on and on again maybe youre just throwing shit out there to stir up controversy but as i stated earlier I have no respect for a person who doesnt say what they believe and believe what they say and you certainly dont bro.

I agree on iraq
I dont agree totally on bush's economic policies, i agree the jobs going over seas is shit and should be stopped, you complain about bush giving tax cuts the rich and applaud obama for giving tax cuts to the middle class YET YOU OVER LOOK TEH FACT THAT HIS SPENDING WILL ENSLAVE THE MIDDLE CLASS FOR GENERATIONS TO COME...

[240 is Back]

bro you defend obamas welfare of the auto industry and banking industry, his outrageous spending, closing of gitmo to bring some of the prisoners here to the US and the list goes on and on again maybe youre just throwing shit out there to stir up controversy but as i stated earlier I have no respect for a person who doesnt say what they believe and believe what they say and you certainly dont bro.

I agree on iraq
I dont agree totally on bush's economic policies, i agree the jobs going over seas is shit and should be stopped, you complain about bush giving tax cuts the rich and applaud obama for giving tax cuts to the middle class YET YOU OVER LOOK TEH FACT THAT HIS SPENDING WILL ENSLAVE THE MIDDLE CLASS FOR GENERATIONS TO COME...

we can get the same intel by locking up those taleban pricks in some hole in egypt or making them wlak the plank in the arctic sea.  gitmo was a dickmeasuring contest that brought harm to our troops.

yes, Bush, mccain, obama, and every other intelligent person realized the bailoluts were needed to prevet the ripples that ending the auto and banking industry would lead to.  $ wouldnt matter if all the US banks failed, cause the world would dorp the buck.  it's common sense.  imagine a world with half the US banks failed.  WTF

I'm for conservative ideals, but yeah, when a major US industry - such as the one holding all our fvcking MONEY - is about to go belly up, you have to save it.  I suppose you'd be happy had they all failed and we all lost our 401ks and the world lost the buck... no, I think you just dont understand all the ramifications of letting it fail.

[tonymctones]

we can get the same intel by locking up those taleban pricks in some hole in egypt or making them wlak the plank in the arctic sea.  gitmo was a dickmeasuring contest that brought harm to our troops.

yes, Bush, mccain, obama, and every other intelligent person realized the bailoluts were needed to prevet the ripples that ending the auto and banking industry would lead to.  $ wouldnt matter if all the US banks failed, cause the world would dorp the buck.  it's common sense.  imagine a world with half the US banks failed.  WTF

I'm for conservative ideals, but yeah, when a major US industry - such as the one holding all our fvcking MONEY - is about to go belly up, you have to save it.  I suppose you'd be happy had they all failed and we all lost our 401ks and the world lost the buck... no, I think you just dont understand all the ramifications of letting it fail.

how did it bring harm to our troops? so you think that obama with all his transparency doing that in egypt will not harm our troops?

I dont think you understand the ramifications of bailing them out...especially with a plan that simply post pones the inevitable and enslaves the MIDDLE class ya the one that you praise your savior for cutting taxes about for generations to come.

[240 is Back]

how did it bring harm to our troops?

at least 2 of the tortured men (those with their innards pulled out following the massive manhunt) were in direct retaliation for gitmo and abu ghirab - the bad guys said so.

And we can guess that thousands of jihadists were recreuited by the pics of the orange jumpsuitters on the beach.

Next time, just whisk them away, pump them from intel and let em walk the plank.  That ego boost from punking the arabs publicly was bad for busienss.

[tonymctones]

at least 2 of the tortured men (those with their innards pulled out following the massive manhunt) were in direct retaliation for gitmo and abu ghirab - the bad guys said so.

And we can guess that thousands of jihadists were recreuited by the pics of the orange jumpsuitters on the beach.

Next time, just whisk them away, pump them from intel and let em walk the plank.  That ego boost from punking the arabs publicly was bad for busienss.

I think you forgot about your guys transparency that he touted and claimed during his and your campaign? 

I dont buy that shit the vast majority of those ppl would have gravitated towards that path even without gitmo, pics etc and if you thought that helped recruiting you are for the showing of soldiers caskets coming home? b/c that wont help recruiting either right?  LOL more walk the line say one thing now and another later bullshit from you...more liberal fear mongering that youve bought into hook line and sinker.

Again no respect for a little shit who doesnt say what the believe and believe what they say  say what you want about me but im honest and consistent.