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We Call Them Provocateurs....
« on: May 10, 2009, 03:46:49 PM »
G20 police 'used undercover men to incite crowds'



MP demands inquiry into Met tactics at demo
Jamie Doward and Mark Townsend

The Observer, Sunday 10 May 2009

Police and protesters clash in London on 1 April 2009. Photograph: Chris Ison/PA

An MP who was involved in last month's G20 protests in London is to call for an investigation into whether the police used agents provocateurs to incite the crowds.

Liberal Democrat Tom Brake says he saw what he believed to be two plain-clothes police officers go through a police cordon after presenting their ID cards.

Brake, who along with hundreds of others was corralled behind police lines near Bank tube station in the City of London on the day of the protests, says he was informed by people in the crowd that the men had been seen to throw bottles at the police and had encouraged others to do the same shortly before they passed through the cordon.

Brake, a member of the influential home affairs select committee, will raise the allegations when he gives evidence before parliament's joint committee on human rights on Tuesday.

"When I was in the middle of the crowd, two people came over to me and said, 'There are people over there who we believe are policemen and who have been encouraging the crowd to throw things at the police,'" Brake said. But when the crowd became suspicious of the men and accused them of being police officers, the pair approached the police line and passed through after showing some form of identification.

Brake has produced a draft report of his experiences for the human rights committee, having received written statements from people in the crowd. These include Tony Amos, a photographer who was standing with protesters in the Royal Exchange between 5pm and 6pm. "He [one of the alleged officers] was egging protesters on. It was very noticeable," Amos said. "Then suddenly a protester seemed to identify him as a policeman and turned on him. He legged it towards the police line, flashed some ID and they just let him through, no questions asked."

Amos added: "He was pretty much inciting the crowd. He could not be called an observer. I don't believe in conspiracy theories but this really struck me. Hopefully, a review of video evidence will clear this up."

The Independent Police Complaints Commission has received 256 complaints relating to the G20 protests. Of these, 121 have been made about the use of force by police officers, while 75 relate to police tactics. The IPCC said it had no record of complaints involving the use of police agents provocateurs. A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "We would never deploy officers in this way or condone such behaviour."

The use of plain-clothes officers in crowd situations is considered a vital tactic for gathering evidence. It has been used effectively to combat football hooliganism in the UK and was employed during the May Day protests in 2001.

Brake said he intends to raise the allegations with the Met's commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, when he next appears before the home affairs select committee. "There is a logic having plain-clothes officers in the crowd, but no logic if the officers are actively encouraging violence, which would be a source of great concern," Brake said.

The MP said that given only a few people were allowed out of the corralled crowd for the five hours he was held inside it, there should be no problem in investigating the allegation by examining video footage.
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Re: We Call Them Provocateurs....
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2009, 12:48:17 PM »
G20 police 'used undercover men to incite crowds'



MP demands inquiry into Met tactics at demo
Jamie Doward and Mark Townsend

The Observer, Sunday 10 May 2009

Police and protesters clash in London on 1 April 2009. Photograph: Chris Ison/PA

An MP who was involved in last month's G20 protests in London is to call for an investigation into whether the police used agents provocateurs to incite the crowds.

Liberal Democrat Tom Brake says he saw what he believed to be two plain-clothes police officers go through a police cordon after presenting their ID cards.

Brake, who along with hundreds of others was corralled behind police lines near Bank tube station in the City of London on the day of the protests, says he was informed by people in the crowd that the men had been seen to throw bottles at the police and had encouraged others to do the same shortly before they passed through the cordon.

Brake, a member of the influential home affairs select committee, will raise the allegations when he gives evidence before parliament's joint committee on human rights on Tuesday.

"When I was in the middle of the crowd, two people came over to me and said, 'There are people over there who we believe are policemen and who have been encouraging the crowd to throw things at the police,'" Brake said. But when the crowd became suspicious of the men and accused them of being police officers, the pair approached the police line and passed through after showing some form of identification.

Brake has produced a draft report of his experiences for the human rights committee, having received written statements from people in the crowd. These include Tony Amos, a photographer who was standing with protesters in the Royal Exchange between 5pm and 6pm. "He [one of the alleged officers] was egging protesters on. It was very noticeable," Amos said. "Then suddenly a protester seemed to identify him as a policeman and turned on him. He legged it towards the police line, flashed some ID and they just let him through, no questions asked."

Amos added: "He was pretty much inciting the crowd. He could not be called an observer. I don't believe in conspiracy theories but this really struck me. Hopefully, a review of video evidence will clear this up."

The Independent Police Complaints Commission has received 256 complaints relating to the G20 protests. Of these, 121 have been made about the use of force by police officers, while 75 relate to police tactics. The IPCC said it had no record of complaints involving the use of police agents provocateurs. A Metropolitan Police spokesman said: "We would never deploy officers in this way or condone such behaviour."

The use of plain-clothes officers in crowd situations is considered a vital tactic for gathering evidence. It has been used effectively to combat football hooliganism in the UK and was employed during the May Day protests in 2001.

Brake said he intends to raise the allegations with the Met's commissioner, Sir Paul Stephenson, when he next appears before the home affairs select committee. "There is a logic having plain-clothes officers in the crowd, but no logic if the officers are actively encouraging violence, which would be a source of great concern," Brake said.

The MP said that given only a few people were allowed out of the corralled crowd for the five hours he was held inside it, there should be no problem in investigating the allegation by examining video footage.

That's nothing new. This occurs on this side of the Atlantic all the time.
It's like that cop who assaulted a kid, stomped his face for no reason, then arrested him and charged him with assault. Fortunately, there was a camera rolling at the time, so the cop didn't get away with it.

Then there were these thugs in Portland.

Eye of the Storm uses video footage shot by the police at events in Portland, OR to confirm how the police target citizens engaged in constitutionally protected acts of protest for harassment, assault, and arrest. The police, by their own admission, assault law-abiding protesters without provocation then lie about being provoked. These lies were carried and repeated ad-nauseum by the corporate media without any regard for the truth. The corporate media is shown being complicit in, even supportive of flagrant police misconduct. Those perceived as “leaders” by the police are often singled out for surveillance, assault, and arrest regardless of the fact that those individuals have broken no laws and committed no crimes. The police kept this footage despite laws prohibiting the collection of information on individuals engaged in political dissent. The police stated that activist video footage only told one “side” of the story, now everyone can see the other “side”.


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Re: We Call Them Provocateurs....
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2009, 01:21:59 PM »
Seattle's Former Police Chief regrets using chemical weapons against citizens.

Norm Stamper is a 34 year veteran of the police force, was Seattle chief of police at the time of the 1999 Seattle WTO meeting, and is the author of: "Breaking Ranks: A Top Cops Exposé of The Dark Side of American Policing"

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Re: We Call Them Provocateurs....
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2009, 03:42:48 PM »
Seattle's Former Police Chief regrets using chemical weapons against citizens.

Norm Stamper is a 34 year veteran of the police force, was Seattle chief of police at the time of the 1999 Seattle WTO meeting, and is the author of: "Breaking Ranks: A Top Cops Exposé of The Dark Side of American Policing"



I am always amazed me how these cops, government officials, news reporters, etc AFTER THEY RETIRE...decide to do these TELL ALL interviews and write tell all books about how EVIL their job and the people who run the various agencies are. Seems it is too little too late...the damage is done and the horse has run from the stable. Telling, writing about the ILLS does nothing toward correcting the new generation of persons who continue the process. Want to really do something worth while...report those at the top so they can be fired and brought up on charges and hopefully JAILED if not given a death sentance. Merely writing books and doing interviews does nothing but confirm what the masses already know...
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