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Sylvia vs Mercer Thread
« on: June 13, 2009, 06:15:53 AM »
The lols keep coming regarding the Tim Sylvia / Ray Mercer fight. After initial plans to hold things as a boxing match in a cage (what?) were shot down with prejudice by the New Jersey Athletic Commission, promoter Monte Cox moved the whole thing down to unsanctioned Alabama. But even that wasn’t enough to slip this retarded fight from happening. In an attempt to bypass a law saying that all US boxing bouts must be overseen by a legit commission, Cox tried to bring in a Canadian reservation commission to oversee the fight. As you might imagine, that didn’t quite cut it:

Association of Boxing Commissions President Tim Lueckenhoff told Sherdog.com that neither he nor the ABC organization had been approached directly to regulate the bout. Further, Lueckenhoff said he’d thought Sylvia-Mercer would be an MMA contest and not a boxing bout. Lueckenhoff said federal law currently has no jurisdiction over MMA bouts, but laws are in place over boxing under the Professional Boxing Safety Act.

In a press release issued by the ABC on Thursday, the organization denounced the “unwarranted and illegal” boxing match. The release also noted that the River Cree commission, as well as referee John McCarthy, had withdrawn their involvement from the bout and event.

“Canadian boxing commissions are not authorized to supervise boxing matches in the U.S.; and, patently, it is wholly inappropriate for one representative from a Canadian boxing commission, together with an MMA referee, to supervise a boxing match,” said Bruce C. Spizler, chairman of the ABC legal committee in the release.

But don’t worry! Because MMA is still in it’s wild west stages, the fight can go ahead this Saturday under unified rules. No word on if both fighters are going to make a gentleman’s agreement to stand and trade or not. That sounds like the best idea to me. What could possibly go wrong?


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Re: Sylvia vs Mercer gets even dumber
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2009, 12:00:59 PM »
This one ought to be good. Sylvia weighed in at a slim and trim 311lbs!  ;D

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Re: Sylvia vs Mercer gets even dumber
« Reply #2 on: June 13, 2009, 12:04:59 PM »
This one ought to be good. Sylvia weighed in at a slim and trim 311lbs!  ;D
LMAO, he lookexd like a fat slob when he fought in the UFC @ 265....anyone have pics? ;D
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Re: Sylvia vs Mercer gets even dumber
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2009, 11:41:01 PM »
LOL : Mercer KOs Sylvia in 9 Seconds

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Tim Sylvia Ray Mercer Thread
« Reply #4 on: June 14, 2009, 06:19:36 AM »

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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #5 on: June 14, 2009, 07:19:53 AM »
I have been saying all along that Ray still had it in his hands and that Tim could be going to sleep. Ex HW champ in boxing might lose his speed but never his form. Tim weighed to much and was way to slow.. Fucking idiot and now all the boxers will say see MMA cant hang with us, your ex champ got knocked out by a 50 yr old. TIM SYLVIA YOUR A FUCKING JOKE!

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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #6 on: June 14, 2009, 07:23:37 AM »
Ha ha. Tim Sylvia just got knocked out by 48 year old Ray Mercer. Keep in mind this fight ended up being an MMA match and not boxing:

Ray Mercer vs.Tim Sylvia

HOLY GODDAMN SHIT

Tim Sylvia threw one kick then Mercer unloaded a right that connected on Sylvia and he tumbled like a 500 lb tree in the woods, Sylvia fell over and it seemed like it was in slow motion.

MERCER BY KO @ 10 seconds in the first round. This place is a madhouse.

Sylvia showed up for the fight weighing 310 pounds, leading many to ask if he’d even be able to hit the 265 pound heavyweight limit for his Affliction fight with Paul Buentello on August 1st. Now we’ll have to see if California decides to medically suspend him and kill that fight. Hey, just because the fight was held in unsanctioned Alabama doesn’t mean other commissions ignore what happened.


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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #7 on: June 14, 2009, 09:09:13 AM »
fedor's last 2 opponets  ::)
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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2009, 09:18:42 AM »
fedor's last 2 opponets  ::)
LOL, Mercer>Fedor. ;D
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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2009, 09:45:17 AM »

That was pathetic. Here's how it's done properly.

1 kick, 1 broken jaw , back to the bingo parlour


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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2009, 10:38:46 AM »
Amazing how much of joke Fedor really is...ha ha ha!!
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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2009, 12:03:42 PM »
Amazing how much of joke Fedor really is...ha ha ha!!
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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #12 on: June 14, 2009, 12:41:00 PM »
Mercer beat sylvia faster than fedor!! So kimbo slice can make fedor tap :o :o :o

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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #13 on: June 14, 2009, 02:48:31 PM »
Fedor better sign with UFC and get his respect back  ;D

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The True (Lack of) Meaning in Ray Mercer vs. Tim Sylvia
« Reply #14 on: June 14, 2009, 05:02:15 PM »
Scott Christ at BadLeftHook sums up what the fight truly meant:

If anyone rational wants to know my opinion of what this means in the great pretend war between MMA and boxing, it means absolutely nothing.  Listen, I've never met Tim Sylvia. I genuinely assume he's a nice guy. But I have no idea what kind of mindset he has right now other than a guess that it's not very good.  He came in over 300 pounds for this fight, which means he didn't train and didn't take this seriously, which is stupid. I know we all think the fight was a joke -- and it was, it should not have happened -- but he was going in there to do a job, a dangerous job, and he didn't prepare. His career is completely in shambles now.

I couldn't agree more with the rest of Scott's feelings on the fight which are basically that A) this would be a nice sendoff for Ray (as long as he doesn't decide this means he has a career left ahead of him)  and B) that Sylvia needs to get his head on right and maybe he can still turn his career back into something real going forward.

Beyond the personal meaning for both men, there really isn't anything more to read into this fight other than that boxers have a natural chance in any fight based on the fact that they're able to land one punch with small gloves and knock someone out.  This is a true case of "every fight starts on the feet" actually meaning something.


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Ray Mercer Is Almost the New Danny Lafever
« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2009, 05:03:21 PM »



The partial backstory:

In his very first professional MMA fight Danny Lafever was able to pull off one of the most stunning upsets in MMA history. After an initial feeling out period where both fighters circled and looked to find their range, it was Lafever who threw a lightning fast straight right hand to the jaw, which instantaneously knocked out UFC veteran Benji Radach. Lafever and his team were absolutely elated as they rushed the ring starting a near riot as Radach's supporters stood in stunned silence at the colossal upset.

More here. The analogy doesn't quite work (and the link provided isn't even half of the full story), but the parallels are there. Props to the hardcores who get the reference.


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How Monte Cox Ran Tim Sylvia's Career Into the Ground
« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2009, 05:03:48 PM »
Tim Sylvia's humiliating loss to Ray Mercer is mostly being discussed in terms of its meaning for Tim's seriously damaged career as a fighter. Not only does this loss brutally damage Sylvia's brand as a top MMA fighter, but in the immediate brass tacks sense, it will probably deprive him of a very nice payday at Affliction Trilogy. The next (and probably final) Affliction show. That's because the California State Athletic Commission will likely not license Sylvia to fight so soon after a brutal KO loss and rightfully so.

It's sad what has happened to Tim Sylvia's career and reputation, but the point that should be discussed is the absolutely awful career management Tim has been getting from Monte Cox.

Monte Cox has a massive conflict of interest as the promoter behind Adrenaline MMA and the manager of several fighters, including Tim Sylvia. Clearly in this case he did not put Tim's interests before his own as the promoter.

If I can quote myself from a few months back when the Sylvia-Mercer fight was announced:

This is pathetic on so many levels. Poor Tim Sylvia, Monte Cox has really painted him into a corner. First he convinced Tim to ask to be released from the UFC where he had had two title runs. Then he was going to headline Adrenaline shows that didn't happen. Then he got paid $800,000 to get demolished by Fedor....

Well, Monte hasn't been all bad to Tim, but let's face facts, when you make $800,000 to get destroyed in 0:36, you've basically taken a big one time cash payment in lieu of a future in MMA.

With his anti-charismatic persona and his long string of cautious, tentative and tedious performances as UFC champ, has to be the formidable athlete with the least brand equity of anyone in MMA.

I would also be remiss if I didn't mention that Sam Caplan was completely correct when he said:

Despite Mercer’s MMA inexperience, he still poses a unique threat to Sylvia. While the heavy-handed Slice felt it was prudent to take Mercer off his feet, Sylvia is not known for taking fights to the ground and instead may attempt to trade punches with a professional boxer that was good enough to win a Gold medal at the 1988 Olympic Games in Seoul, South Korea.

At the time I jumped all over Sam, but time will tell and its clear that Sam had a very good point about Ray Mercer and the threat he presented to Tim Sylvia.

However, as long as we're reviving old quotes, let's look at what Big Tim was saying when he quit the UFC to sign with Adrenaline:

"I'll be real active, fighting six or seven times a year," Sylvia said. "Adrenaline is a new company that's just starting up, but they're allowing fighters to fight outside of their organization. That's huge... Take for instance my last fight. Granted, I loss, but I came out of there unhurt and unscathed. I could have fought a week or two later.

"Being 32 years old, I have four or five good years ahead of me. I plan to make the most of it."

And here's what Cox had to say about his plans for Adrenaline:

"It's a chance for me to build an organization," Cox said. "We're not going to come in and be the UFC. Anyone who tries to do that is crazy.

"We're brand new. What we want to do is I want to identify exciting fighters, up-and-coming fighters, and give them a chance to perform on a big stage. And hopefully, we'll gather a big following and someday down the road be doing pay-per-views and such."

But a look at the roster of Adrenaline fighters so far shows a lot more Monte Cox affiliated fighters on the tail end of their careers than up and comers. There is also no indication that the promotion is building a following.

Monte still manages a lot of fighters at the top of the sport including Rich Franklin and Matt Hughes. He also manages up and coming star Eddie Alvarez whose career he has so far guided very well. Although I do worry about the decision to sign with Bellator which seems like a high-risk, low reward option for Alvarez.

It should also be noted that Cox is a veteran of the sport and has done a great deal to build MMA as a promoter and manager. All respect to Mr. Cox for what he has accomplished. But let's call a spade a spade and recognize that Tim Sylvia's career nosedive didn't just happen in the ring and the cage, it happened backstage too.


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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2009, 09:54:56 PM »
This is why Kimbo took Mercer to the ground.


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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2009, 05:56:31 PM »
in syvlias defense no one can take a punch buy a former heavy weight boxer while wearing mma gloves. i dont care if you are a prime nogs or heat herring

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« Reply #19 on: June 15, 2009, 06:16:20 PM »
Sherdog has some pics of Tim ‘Superman’ Sylvia coming into his loss against Ray Mercer. Rumors have been swirling that Timmy barely trained for this fight. He looks pretty under-prepared to me … seems that he didn’t even bother to shave his gut and shoulder hair for this one.

On a related note, Paul Buentello asks what the upside is now in fighting Tim Sylvia at Affliction 3:

Are you still even interested in fighting him?
Well, most definitely. But now you gotta take a step back and go, ‘Man, you know, it would be great to fight him but what would it do for me now? What would it do for me now in front of the fans?’ I don’t know if the hype is still there after him getting beat. I hope Affliction still allows the fight to happen because it’s still going to be a great a fight, but I don’t control those pens and papers over there.

This is of course under the unlikely assumption that California will let a guy who got dropped like a bad Mauro Ranallo pun fight again in 45 days. And the assumption that the new even bigger Big Tim could hit 265 pounds on August 1st after showing up on Saturday at 310 pounds. I don’t know how many pints of ice cream he had to eat before feeling better about the Fedor fiight, but I figure that number is only going to double after we find out what’s happening to his fight at Affliction 3.


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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #20 on: June 15, 2009, 09:20:47 PM »
in syvlias defense no one can take a punch buy a former heavy weight boxer while wearing mma gloves. i dont care if you are a prime nogs or heat herring

This is true. Mercer always had a great punch.

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Re: Mercer / Sylvia footage - Don't blink
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2009, 06:29:42 AM »
I thought either way this fight was a bad idea for Tim, there was no real win in it for him. I thought okay if you win it's a 48 year old Mercer, who got beat by Kimbo. Ray on the other hand had everything to gain, money, a KO, etc. I still am trying to find out the payday? It couldn't have been more then 10,000 per fighter because they had guys like Horn on the card as well.

mercer at 48 still has the technique and skill to ko someone as Tim found out. It's not like the guy was going to forget how to punch just because he is not in his prime. This just goes to show why Boxers say they would kill MMA guys, those hands are deadly, but Sylvia if he had attempted a takedown I thnk this fight could have gone another way... I guess we will never know.

I just don't see how Tim will be allowed to fight Paul at Affliciton, and if they do clear him, how is he going to cut the GUT???

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Tim Sylvia Ray Mercer Thread
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2009, 08:36:27 AM »
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Re: Sylvia vs Mercer Thread
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2009, 09:19:06 AM »
Tim would have won under Pride rules  ;D
Big Tim better get on the subway diet
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Re: Sylvia vs Mercer Thread
« Reply #24 on: June 16, 2009, 10:50:28 AM »
Actually Mercer was always considered a decent puncher but never a massive one, imagine what a Tyson or Foreman right hand would have done to Sylivia, he d still be out