A Threat We Can’t Ignore

[Soul Crusher]

Why would that be a problem?

If someone strikes you on the cheek, offer him the other one as well

Ie, if the attacker harms you physically, just offer him your other cheek.


You will be the children of the most high if you endure.

Thats utter garbage. 

So if a rapist wants to take your wife, you give him your daughter too?

Why not just bust a few caps in that animal?

[Butterbean]

Why would that be a problem?

If someone strikes you on the cheek, offer him the other one as well

Ie, if the attacker harms you physically, just offer him your other cheek.


You will be the children of the most high if you endure.

I think we've talked the turn the other cheek thing to death and we just don't agree on what it means.

[Hedgehog]

Thats utter garbage. 

So if a rapist wants to take your wife, you give him your daughter too?

Why not just bust a few caps in that animal?

I'm not a Christian.

I am an Atheist.

[MRDUMPLING]

There's the expected blurring of facts, law and common sense that I anticipated.  Actually I don't understand what you are trying to say.  You go from 'running' with the wife beater example to moving violations in an automobile. 

Is an unlawful act of violence the same thing as a moving violation?

Anyways, it is a convenient fiction of gun absolutists to forget the entire second amendment.  With that selective amnesia the particular property right of gun ownership becomes a sacred personal right.

Aside from that, I think I've changed my mind.

Let's arm with guns the wife beaters, the child abusers, hell, while were at it, let's arm the murderers too.  After all, isn't gun ownership a fundamental right?

Convicted violent offenders?  Sure...guess what?  There are already laws in place that prevent that when you go buy a firearm from a gun store or even a gun show as there is no such thing as the "gun show loophole".  There are currently almost 22,000 gun control and gun related laws on the books.  I believe that is more than enough laws to control anything.  My idea is to simply enforce the ones currently in practice because our gun control laws are reaching into tax law; it is just insane what some people have to do to own and carry a firearm. 

Making it even harder for more people to own firearms will not solve anything.  Some of you may not want to own a firearm, but I don't think you realize that even in more "gun friendly" states you have to undergo a background check every time you purchase a firearm.  You fill out the app. and the employee calls it in right there, then the gun's serial number is recorded and sent to the ATF.  When you walk out of the store you have just had a background check done on you AND your firearm is registered with a Federal agency.  The same can be said for CCW...for someone to have their license to carry, whether you like that person or not in the eyes of the law they are an outstanding member of society.  After a much more thorough background check, training, classroom instruction, and a 90-115 day waiting period(most states) is when a person is issued their license to carry a concealed firearm.  There are already plenty of safeguards in place for guns and the ability to bear them.

More gun control is not the answer.

[Hedgehog]

I think we've talked the turn the other cheek thing to death and we just don't agree on what it means.

True.

I guess that I believe that perhaps being a Christian don't mean that you can somehow stop at a certain point and say "hey, I am prepared to follow the Christian Code this far but not any further" - as you mentioned you were prepared to give away stuff but not actually endanger yourself.

Then you would opt for potentially killing the intruder - a shot to the groin could hit the intestines and lead to a fairly quick death if unlucky. At the very least you would opt for potentially mutilating the intruder.

Look, I apologize if this come across as judgemental. My point is just that maybe being a Christian isn't easy. Going for the gun might be your instinct. But is it really the Christian "solution"?
Aren't people bending Christianity to fit their lifestyles a whole lot these days, be it homosexuality or a case like this?

I'm just saying.

Sorry for the OT.

[Alex23]

I about spit out my sandwich, I was at ikea today...Did you ever go by teradata?  I meant to take you out when you were down here.

Yea I did another day trip recently; I might be going back in July but the wife might come with her sister (she wants to visit the Coca cola plant or something ), let's make sure we go out for a brew this time

[Butterbean]

True.

I guess that I believe that perhaps being a Christian don't mean that you can somehow stop at a certain point and say "hey, I am prepared to follow the Christian Code this far but not any further" - as you mentioned you were prepared to give away stuff but not actually endanger yourself.

Then you would opt for potentially killing the intruder - a shot to the groin could hit the intestines and lead to a fairly quick death if unlucky. At the very least you would opt for potentially mutilating the intruder.

Look, I apologize if this come across as judgemental. My point is just that maybe being a Christian isn't easy. Going for the gun might be your instinct. But is it really the Christian "solution"?
Aren't people bending Christianity to fit their lifestyles a whole lot these days, be it homosexuality or a case like this?

I'm just saying.

Sorry for the OT.

Oh, I agree w/you... being a "good" Christian in other people's eyes that would follow, act and react in each way that the bible teaches is actually pretty much impossible...but I see your point..it is something for which we should strive. 

And yes, I believe a lot of us bend it to fit our lifestyles but what makes someone a Christian is their belief in Christ as Savior.  Yes, we would hope that we can live better lives but I don't think this negates us from being justified in defending ourselves or others (even w/deadly force if need be).   He doesn't want us to be reckless about this type of thing but I think He wouldn't mind if we were prepared to deal w/the situation.

Luke 22:35-36
Then Jesus asked them, "When I sent you without purse, bag or sandals, did you lack anything?"
"Nothing," they answered.
He said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.

Sorry for the OT.

No problem!  ... what is OT?

[Dos Equis]

The other day I was in the bedroom getting ready for the day and heard a strange noise.  The dog that was in my room perked up and looked weird and started creeping down the hall.   I grabbed one of my guns and walked through the house only to find it was just my other dog playing w/her food bowl.  But I was very happy to have my gun!

lol.  Stella packing the heat!