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On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.

The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan.

The Democratic plan will embrace Obama’s vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America – a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, costs under the Obama plan being proposed by the House will saddle citizens with $1.04 trillion in new federal outlays over the next decade.

Congressional Democrats and Obama have argued that their health plan is necessary to contain rising health care costs.

But, last Thursday, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf testified before the Senate Budget Committee and warned lawmakers that the proposed “legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs."

A key factor increasing costs is that Democratic plan provides for blanket coverage to as much as 15 percent of the U.S. population not currently insured, including illegals.

Democrats had insisted throughout the health-care reform debate that illegals would be ineligible for the so-called public option plan that is to be subsidized by taxpayers.

"We're not going to cover undocumented aliens, undocumented workers," Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, told reporters in May. "That's too politically explosive."

Republicans, however, point out that the Democrats, by refusing to accept the Heller amendment, would deny health agencies from conducting simple database checks to verify citizenship. Many states give illegals driver licenses, which will be sufficient to get free health care under the plan.

Critics also contend that millions of illegals who already have counterfeit Social Security cards or other fraudulent documents. There is no enforcement mechanism in the legislation, experts say, to prevent illegals who use fake IDs to obtain jobs from also obtaining taxpayer-subsidized health insurance.

GOP representatives introduced the amendment to provide a way to weed out non-citizens from the program.

A description of the amendment on Heller's Web site state it would "better screen applicants for subsidized health care to ensure they are actually citizens or otherwise entitled to it."

The Web post added, "The underlying bill is insufficient for the purpose of preventing illegal aliens from accessing the bill’s proposed benefits, as it does not provide mechanisms allowing those administering the program to ensure illegal aliens cannot access taxpayer-funded subsidies and benefits."

The Heller amendment would have required that individuals applying for the public health care option would be subject to two systems used to verify immigration status already in use by the government: The Income and Eligibility Verification System (IEVS) and the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program.

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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2009, 10:47:30 AM »
Simply ensuring the voting block for when they all get amnesty.

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« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2009, 10:52:49 AM »
Simply ensuring the voting block for when they all get amnesty.

That's right.  The "independent modoerate" moron idiot whites who voted for this jerk over "white guilt" will be jaded and probably go GOP.  Thus, he needs to sure up the numbers with illegal aliens.

 

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« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2009, 11:04:18 AM »
If there isn't a provision to make sure coverage is for citizens only, this plan MUST fail.  This information needs to be given to the public, they have the right to know what their tax dollars will be paying for.  We need the people to decide this issue, not the 1 party controlled government we have right now.
What a disaster this has turned out to be.

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« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2009, 11:09:37 AM »
If there isn't a provision to make sure coverage is for citizens only, this plan MUST fail.  This information needs to be given to the public, they have the right to know what their tax dollars will be paying for.  We need the people to decide this issue, not the 1 party controlled government we have right now.
What a disaster this has turned out to be.

Hey Shoot:  how do you like hearing from Obama:

1.  You order unnecessary testing and prodcedures
2.  Your medicare rates and reimbursements will be cut
3.  You will have to see more patients for less money


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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2009, 11:16:51 AM »
If there isn't a provision to make sure coverage is for citizens only, this plan MUST fail.  This information needs to be given to the public, they have the right to know what their tax dollars will be paying for.  We need the people to decide this issue, not the 1 party controlled government we have right now.
What a disaster this has turned out to be.

A large number of 'low-income' programs specifically are designed to help illegals. In CA we have the 'Healthy Families" programs... which is said to be for poor people, but the MAJORITY on it are hispanics. They (the govt) goes to great lengths to avoid having any identifying indicators applied, because the average, rational person would have trouble justifying supporting millions of illegals who could simply GO HOME if they wanted to.

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« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2009, 11:43:37 AM »
His failure to address frivelous lawsuits is appauling.  Even if he didn't want to cap damages, he could force the return of judicial screening of every medical case before it enters the court system (or typical insurance settlement to avoid extra costs, which gets passed on to consumers).  There are so many things we have talked about here that can be done before forcing us into a gov ran system.  And the media and gov is largely ignoring the report from the CBO last week.  If it doesn't fit their agenda, they put a lid on it.

Many do order too many tests but with the litiginous environmnet, we have little choice.
Cutting medicare reimbursement is completely unbelieveable, this is what doctors have been mad about over the past 10 yrs already!

Many clinics just cannot see more patients per hour.  Hospital systems have, in many cases, already pushed this to the limit.  Care will plummet, more mistakes made and if you don't think you have enough time with your doctor now, get ready for it to be worse.

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« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2009, 11:47:02 AM »
His failure to address frivelous lawsuits is appauling.  Even if he didn't want to cap damages, he could force the return of judicial screening of every medical case before it enters the court system (or typical insurance settlement to avoid extra costs, which gets passed on to consumers).  There are so many things we have talked about here that can be done before forcing us into a gov ran system.  And the media and gov is largely ignoring the report from the CBO last week.  If it doesn't fit their agenda, they put a lid on it.

Many do order too many tests but with the litiginous environmnet, we have little choice.
Cutting medicare reimbursement is completely unbelieveable, this is what doctors have been mad about over the past 10 yrs already!

Many clinics just cannot see more patients per hour.  Hospital systems have, in many cases, already pushed this to the limit.  Care will plummet, more mistakes made and if you don't think you have enough time with your doctor now, get ready for it to be worse.

And everyone said I was crazy months ago saying Obama was a trainwreck. 

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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2009, 11:58:08 AM »
Dude, you were more right than I expected.  I knew I'd disagree with Obama and some items but never thought he'd push such a strong, and quick, progressive leftist agenda.  The suppression of debate and release of independent analysis of their ideas is appauling.

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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2009, 12:00:29 PM »
Outrageous. 

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« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2009, 12:00:36 PM »
Dude, you were more right than I expected.  I knew I'd disagree with Obama and some items but never thought he'd push such a strong, and quick, progressive leftist agenda.  The suppression of debate and release of independent analysis of their ideas is appauling.

I deal with cheats, frauds, criminals, liars, as my job all day.  I can spot one immediately.   That is why I pegged Obama immediately from day one and had no problem saying so.    

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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2009, 12:02:22 PM »
i have an idea.

fix their boo-boo's, then deport them.

i'll happily pay a one-time fee for that.

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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2009, 12:04:45 PM »
i have an idea.

fix their boo-boo's, then deport them.

i'll happily pay a one-time fee for that.

I agree with that 10000%.  Then the cry babies will claim that they are staying in the shadows and will be afraid to go the ER. 

Tough.  Let them self deport if they dont like it. 


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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2009, 12:50:58 PM »
i have an idea.

fix their boo-boo's, then deport them.

i'll happily pay a one-time fee for that.

Great idea, but the liberals will cry you are violating their rights by trying to intimidate them away from getting medical care, which is their right. Also, most of them would be back before the paperwork was cleared.

I would rather deport them half a dozen times than give them a single WIC payment though....

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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2009, 01:06:47 PM »
Totally agree.  Treat them and then report them to the immigration agencies.

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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2009, 01:33:42 PM »
Totally agree.  Treat them and then report them to the immigration agencies.

Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals

Sunday, July 19, 2009 6:32 PM

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On Friday, Democrats moved one step closer to giving free health insurance to the nation’s estimated 12 million illegal aliens when they successfully defeated a Republican-backed amendment, offered by Rep. Dean Heller, R-Nev., that would have prevented illegal aliens from receiving government-subsidized health care under the proposed plan backed by House Democrats and President Barack Obama.

The House Ways and Means Committee nixed the Heller amendment by a 26-to-15 vote along straight party lines, and followed this action by passing the 1,018-page bill early Friday morning by a 23-to-18 margin, with three Democrats voting against the plan.

The Democratic plan will embrace Obama’s vision of bringing free government medical care to more than 45 million uninsured people in America – a significant portion of whom are illegal aliens.

According to the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office, costs under the Obama plan being proposed by the House will saddle citizens with $1.04 trillion in new federal outlays over the next decade.

Congressional Democrats and Obama have argued that their health plan is necessary to contain rising health care costs.

But, last Thursday, CBO Director Douglas Elmendorf testified before the Senate Budget Committee and warned lawmakers that the proposed “legislation significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs."

A key factor increasing costs is that Democratic plan provides for blanket coverage to as much as 15 percent of the U.S. population not currently insured, including illegals.

Democrats had insisted throughout the health-care reform debate that illegals would be ineligible for the so-called public option plan that is to be subsidized by taxpayers.

"We're not going to cover undocumented aliens, undocumented workers," Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee, told reporters in May. "That's too politically explosive."

Republicans, however, point out that the Democrats, by refusing to accept the Heller amendment, would deny health agencies from conducting simple database checks to verify citizenship. Many states give illegals driver licenses, which will be sufficient to get free health care under the plan.

Critics also contend that millions of illegals who already have counterfeit Social Security cards or other fraudulent documents. There is no enforcement mechanism in the legislation, experts say, to prevent illegals who use fake IDs to obtain jobs from also obtaining taxpayer-subsidized health insurance.

GOP representatives introduced the amendment to provide a way to weed out non-citizens from the program.

A description of the amendment on Heller's Web site state it would "better screen applicants for subsidized health care to ensure they are actually citizens or otherwise entitled to it."

The Web post added, "The underlying bill is insufficient for the purpose of preventing illegal aliens from accessing the bill’s proposed benefits, as it does not provide mechanisms allowing those administering the program to ensure illegal aliens cannot access taxpayer-funded subsidies and benefits."   

The Heller amendment would have required that individuals applying for the public health care option would be subject to two systems used to verify immigration status already in use by the government: The Income and Eligibility Verification System (IEVS) and the Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) program.


The two systems cross-reference Social Security numbers and employment information to establish whether an individual is a U.S. citizen.


Critics: Free Health Care Means More Illegals


A recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that an overwhelming 80 percent of Americans oppose covering illegals in any public health care bill.

Anti-immigration activists say the availability of low-cost benefits, including health insurance and in-state tuition, will only lure more immigrants to come to the United States.

Political analyst Dick Morris, in his recently released best-selling book “Catastrophe”, warns that giving illegal free health care will lead to a flood of new illegals who can take advantage of such a benefit not offered in their home countries.

William Gheen, president of Americans for Legal Immigration, agrees with that sentiment, writing, "Each state and federal elected official must know that illegal aliens should not be given licenses, in-state tuition, mortgages, bank accounts, welfare, or any other benefit short of emergency medical care and law enforcement accommodations before they are deported."

But a small fraction of illegals end up deported, as many make widespread use of fake IDs to easily gain access to government benefits programs.

"Experts suggest that approximately 75 percent of working-age illegal aliens use fraudulent Social Security cards to obtain employment," wrote Ronald W. Mortensen in a recent Center for Immigration Studies research paper. Mortensen says one of the big misconceptions about illegals is that they are undocumented.

James R. Edwards Jr., co-author of The Congressional Politics of Immigration Reform, recently wrote on National Review Online that "it's hard to envision how health reform can avoid tripping the immigration booby trap."

Edwards says none of the legislation under consideration actually requires any state, federal, or local agency to check the immigration status of those who apply for the program.

The assumption is that companies have vetted their employees to ensure they are eligibility for legal employment – a difficult task for employers given the active market in fraudulent documents. Thus Edwards maintains "some of the money distributed … inevitably would go to illegal aliens."

The estimates of illegal aliens in the United States without health insurance vary. The most commonly cited statistic, attributed to the Center for Immigration Statistics and the U.S. Census Bureau, holds that 15 percent to 22 percent of the nation's 46 million uninsured are illegal aliens. That would be between 6.9 million and 10.1 million people. During the 2008 presidential campaign, Obama claimed the nation United States has 12 million or more undocumented aliens.

John Sheils of the Lewin Group, a health care consulting firm owned by UnitedHealth Group, recently told National Public Radio that about 6.1 million illegals – about half of all illegals in the United States – lack documentation and therefore would not be legally eligible for benefits under the current health care reforms.

Sheils says the other half of the nation's illegals – 5 million to 6 million – use false documents to obtain on-the-books employment. Many of them are already insured under their employers' plans, he added.

"A lot of those people are getting employer health benefits as part of their compensation," Sheils told NPR.

Certainly, some contend that undocumented workers who are gainfully employed and receiving benefits such as health insurance are contributing to society. But the fact remains that, once equipped with a fake ID, a person in the United States illegally can obtain both a job and the benefits that go with it.

Estimates of the cost of providing illegals with medical care vary. Most uninsured illegals who need medical attention obtain it from hospital emergency rooms. And several states are already straining under the huge burden of paying for the health costs of illegal aliens.

According to the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR), in 2004 California's estimated cost of unreimbursed medical care was $1.4 billion. Texas estimated its cost at $850 million annually, and Arizona at $400 million.

Non-border states shoulder heavy burdens as well. Virginia's annual cost of providing health care for undocumented workers is approximately $100 million per year, FAIR reports, while Florida's health care cost is about $300 million annually.

One of the ironies of the proposed legislation is that it would fine American citizens who opt not to purchase insurance coverage, but would exempt illegals from such fines. This is presumably due to the fact that they are not supposed to participate in the program anyway.

Even if no illegals were likely to benefit from health care reform, Democrats have made it clear that amnesty is the next item on their ambitious legislative agenda.

"I've got to do health care, I've got to do energy, and then I'm looking very closely at doing immigration," Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., declared in June.

Reid explained the urgent need for amnesty in terms very similar to those that Democrats have used to press for health care reform. "We have an immigration system that's broken and needs repair," Reid said.

Immigration expert Edwards, for one, says health-care reform may itself need serious medical attention before it is healthy enough pass through Congress.

"The American people may soon realize how much health reform will benefit immigrants and cost the native-born," he writes. "When that happens, the volatile politics of immigration could derail universal health care."





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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2009, 02:05:26 PM »
both parties have to suck up to illegals.

they know whoever the legal hispanic vote chooses, wins.

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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2009, 02:59:41 PM »
both parties have to suck up to illegals.

they know whoever the legal hispanic vote chooses, wins.

EX-F-ing-Zachly.

When are we gonna wake up to the fact that NO ONE in our government wants to get rid of illegal aliens. 

So, yeah, get used to it.  Everything that's done on a social level WILL INCLUDE them.  So when you think you are voting republican or democrat, understand you are voting BS. 

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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2009, 03:08:38 PM »
Doesn't the term 'socialism' mean helping everybody? How come 'social' programs only ever seem to help the scum of society?

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Re: Obama Health Plan to Cover 12 Million Illegals...WHAT BULLSHIT!!
« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2009, 06:25:54 AM »
"A recent Rasmussen Reports poll found that an overwhelming 80 percent of Americans oppose covering illegals in any public health care bill.
Anti-immigration activists say the availability of low-cost benefits, including health insurance and in-state tuition, will only lure more immigrants to come to the United States"

These two statements are very important.  Why is the administration ignoring the will of the people and why do something that will attract more illegals.  Foolish.