Obama: 'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

[Soul Crusher]

From POLITICO.COM & DRUDGEREPORT

'We are God's partners in matters of life and death'

A reader points out that President Obama's call with the rabbis today — as recorded in Rabbi Jack Moline's and other clerics' Twitter feeds — freights health care reform with a great deal of religious meaning, and veers into the blend of policy and faith that outraged liberals in the last administration.

"We are God's partners in matters of life and death," Obama said, according to Moline (paging Sarah Palin...), quoting from the Rosh Hashanah prayer that says that in the holiday period, it is decided "who shall live and who shall die."

The president ended the call by wishing the rabbis "shanah tovah," or happy new year — in reference to the High Holidays a month from now.

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Ha ha.  You liberals are going to brown your panties over this.

Meet the new boss . . . . . 

[The True Adonis]

He was simply talking to the Jews and quoting their text as the Jewish New Year is coming up.  He himself, is not professing a belief in Judaism nor is he referencing health care at all.

Stupid "story".

[Soul Crusher]

He was simply talking to the Jews and quoting their text as the Jewish New Year is coming up.  He himself, is not professing a belief in Judaism nor is he referencing health care at all.

Stupid "story".

Ha ha.  yeah ok,  TA.  He is now trying to use religion to push his healthcare nonsense. 

What a joke. 

You guys killed Palin over her saying similar stuff.   

[The True Adonis]

Ha ha.  yeah ok,  TA.  He is now trying to use religion to push his healthcare nonsense. 

What a joke. 

You guys killed Palin over her saying similar stuff.   

The difference is Palin was speaking her beliefs and using them to dictate policy, Obama here is just citing Rosh Hashanah prayer that they are used to, just as he quoted the Koran when in Africa to his audience.

You don`t think Obama is a secret Jew now?

[Soul Crusher]

The difference is Palin was speaking her beliefs, Obama here is just citing Rosh Hashanah prayer that they are used to, just as he quoted the Koran when in Africa to his audience.

You don`t think Obama is a secret Jew now?

Not at all, I think he is using religion to manipluate people into supporting his garbage plans. 

[BM OUT]

The difference is Palin was speaking her beliefs and using them to dictate policy, Obama here is just citing Rosh Hashanah prayer that they are used to, just as he quoted the Koran when in Africa to his audience.

You don`t think Obama is a secret Jew now?

WRONG!!!Obama told left wing Christian religious leaders that its their respossibilty to push his health care system as a matter of morality.Imagine ANY rifght winger doing that and asking them to push that from the pulpit.

Whats the differance between God and Obama?God doesnt think hes Obama.

[The True Adonis]

Not at all, I think he is using religion to manipluate people into supporting his garbage plans. 

I don`t see how that can be possibly construed at all.  If anything, that statement would go against the devout belief that only god decides who lives and dies and for how long.

[Soul Crusher]

I don`t see how that can be possibly construed at all.  If anything, that statement would go against the devout belief that only god decides who lives and dies and for how long.

TA -  even you dont believe that. 

[The True Adonis]

WRONG!!!Obama told left wing Christian religious leaders that its their respossibilty to push his health care system as a matter of morality.Imagine ANY rifght winger doing that and asking them to push that from the pulpit.

Whats the differance between God and Obama?God doesnt think hes Obama.

I am not a Christian, but I see Healthcare and not providing it as a matter of morality as Private Insurance companies seek to profit solely off of human suffering, nothing else.

If that doesn`t constitute a moral dilemma for everyone, than I would have to question one`s own personal sense of morality.

With that said, I have never heard or seen Obama mandate any religious group to support his plans.

Where are you getting this nonsense from?

[Soul Crusher]

I am not a Christian, but I see Healthcare and not providing it as a matter of morality as Private Insurance companies seek to profit solely off of human suffering, nothing else.

If that doesn`t constitute a moral dilemma for everyone, than I would have to question one`s own personal sense of morality.

With that said, I have never heard or seen Obama mandate any religious group to support his plans.

Where are you getting this nonsense from?

Go to Politico.com 

[The True Adonis]

Go to Politico.com 

I know where your story is from, but not Mimnaugh`s.  Billy is overreacting I think and made an error in his assertion of the story he is claiming exists.

[Soul Crusher]

I know where your story is from, but not Mimnaugh`s.  Billy is overreacting I think and made an error in his assertion of the story he is claiming exists.

Actually Obama used the language "bears false witness" to the clergy group. 

[Straw Man]

I'm actually kind of suprised the Right to Lifers aren't all over this issue

fully formed human beings are having their lives cut short soley to increase the profits of insurance companies

we're talking about people who have paid their health insurance premiums and are then denied service

Where are the Chritians on this issue?

[The True Adonis]

I'm actually kind of suprised the Right to Lifers aren't all over this issue

fully formed human beings are having their lives cut short soley to increase the profits of insurance companies

we're talking about people who have paid their health insurance premiums and are then denied service

Where are the Chritians on this issue?

What is hilarious to me regarding the right to lifers, is that their Private Insurance Company has plans, including their own most likely (most Private Plans cover Abortion fully) that cover Abortions entirely.


When I worked at UnitedHealth, Abortions were VERY common and paid for.  I would see many each day and they are fully covered.  Yet you don`t hear the Right to Lifers marching against their Insurance Companies or their employer for purchasing these plans or offering them.  Most have plans that cover Abortion only they don`t realize it.

[Soul Crusher]

What is hilarious to me regarding the right to lifers, is that their Private Insurance Company has plans, including their own most likely (most Private Plans cover Abortion fully) that cover Abortions entirely.


When I worked at UnitedHealth, Abortions were VERY common and paid for.  I would see many each day and they are fully covered.  Yet you don`t hear the Right to Lifers marching against their Insurance Companies or their employer for purchasing these plans or offering them.  Most have plans that cover Abortion only they don`t realize it.

Because many states require that the procedure be covered as a condition of being able to issue the policy in the individual state. 

[The True Adonis]

Because many states require that the procedure be covered as a condition of being able to issue the policy in the individual state. 

Thats not true at all.  Abortion is not mandatory in any state or the issuance of a Private Health Insurance plan.

[Soul Crusher]

Thats not true at all.  Abortion is not mandatory in any state or the issuance of a Private Health Insurance plan.

Come on TA - who do you think you are dealing with? 

In many of these areas, the huge companies have an effective monpoly and people have no real choice whether or not to go with a plan that does not offer abortion as part of the plans. 

I agree with you 1000% that in many areas there is no competittion, etc, but lets be real, most times people have no real choice in the matter what their plan is going to cover and not cover.   

[The True Adonis]

Come on TA - who do you think you are dealing with? 

In many of these areas, the huge companies have an effective monpoly and people have no real choice whether or not to go with a plan that does not offer abortion as part of the plans. 

I agree with you 1000% that in many areas there is no competittion, etc, but lets be real, most times people have no real choice in the matter what their plan is going to cover and not cover.   

Rationing at its finest.  Limiting choice at its finest.  Private Insurance Death Panels deciding what, when and how and where you can and can`t receive treatment and at what cost.
 

[The True Adonis]

Come on TA - who do you think you are dealing with? 

In many of these areas, the huge companies have an effective monpoly and people have no real choice whether or not to go with a plan that does not offer abortion as part of the plans. 

I agree with you 1000% that in many areas there is no competittion, etc, but lets be real, most times people have no real choice in the matter what their plan is going to cover and not cover.   

Do you find that it sucks that with the current system, "People have no real choice whether or not to go with a plan" and what kind of care you are getting or not getting as you stated?

[Soul Crusher]

Do you find that it sucks that with the current system, "People have no real choice whether or not to go with a plan" and what kind of care you are getting or not getting as you stated?

Yes, but I put the blame in the exact opposite direction that you do for this mess.