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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #125 on: August 21, 2009, 09:39:52 AM »
First off Pedro, ...one does NOT assert control & seize power. One seizes control & asserts power.

The swimming pool has the control of it's own pool , as well as the power to make rules for it, and is asserting it.
The pool has the power & control, ...and the woman attempting to swim in the burquini wants it.
They are telling her she can't have it. It is an issue of power & control. How am I wrong or mistaking the situation?

This is not a semantical argument. Attempting to turn it into one is a poor substitute for debate.

This is France, France has grown up and has it's own culture and set of rules. A swimming pool can apply whatever rules it sees fit for the benefit of the health of it's filtration system and it's patrons. Let us consider how many years France has had freedom and swimming pools (many) let us consider how many years the Burkini has been in existence (few). This swimming pool has not changed any rules, it is operating as it has done for years. It is the norm there & accepted by all. There have been no cases in the press of guys in surf shorts getting thrown out of the pool, no cases of hindu's in turbans being thrown out of this pool. Is this because it never happened OR is it because  the surfers/hindus accepted the rules of the land and either changed or exited the pool ? I think you know which.

Now -let's examine this case. The Burkini s a very new invention. The woman in question not only got asked to leave the pool, she also went to the press AND threatened to leave the country. If you cannot see this for what it is, then you are either being argumentative for the sake of it or you are espousing irrational liberal views.

Now - to put this in perspective, I lived in Yatsuo Village, about 30k from Toyama City, on the North coast of Japan. I lived there in a small 1 bedroom appartment for 6 months. I was the only westerner in that village. There was not a single other white OR English speaking person there. When I went to the pool there, they made me wear a swimming cap AND made me get out of the pool every 30 minutes to rest. Neither of these were necessary but I went with the flow as opposed to attempting to override the majority that were clearly used to swimming that way. I did not go to the press and I did not threaten to leave the country. I did however, learn a lot about accepting the culture of the host country.

It is quite simple, if you live in a country with a culture that is very different from your own, it is like swimming in a river. First you try to swim against the current but it is a painful experience and you get nowhere. In the end you adapt to the norms of that culture and are rewarded with an experience and understanding that cannot be put into words. The Muslims should give this a go.


They're right. We Westerners ARE morally inferior. We know right from wrong, ...but we do the wrong thing just the same. The only good thing we can saw is that while we're morally inferior, ...at least we don't have a moral disconnect. Alot of those guys over in Afghanistan would never think of doing something immoral, ...but they have such a moral disconnect, they don't even have the first clue that much of what they do is immoral. I'd rather be morally inferior than have a moral disconnect like them... if that makes any sense to anyone.

Tell you what - go out now & buy "Burned Alive" by Souad. This is the first hand account of a muslim woman in the West Bank. Her mother had 14 children just under half of which were smothered after birth because they were female. Forget the beatings she had all her life. Forget the time her parents left the house and her brother strangled her sister - for smearing the families name. The girl in question couldn't get married because her older, fatter sister had to marry first & no-one wanted her. A local man who was interested in her and has asked for her hand in marriage couldn't have her because of this. To cut a long story short, she had sex with this man and fell pregnant. When they found out, her family arranged for her brother in law to come around & murder her. He sprayed her with gasoline and set light to her. She 'fortunately' ended up in hospital. The staff there wouldn't help her because she was 'Charmuta'. Her mother came around and persuaded her that this was causing the family a lot of stress and gave her some poison to drink. Fortunately someone came by and stopped this just as she had the glass to her lips. In the end, a European aid worker saw her & had her rescued as the hospital was not treating her, feeding her or giving her water. She now lives in France and she has a love for the freedoms of France and a hatred of what is happening to women in the Muslim world. She has the true view on Islam. This 'burkini' convertee to Islam who is enjoying her 15 minutes of fame over the incident hasn't got a fucking clue. Send her back to the west bank & see how she fares.

Now - look at the west. Sure - we have a beer. Sure - girls walk around with mini skirts on - but if you really think that we are morally inferior to people that smother babies, beat girls, fuck 12 year olds, kill their sisters, set fire to pregnant women and throw acid on them, then you have been drinking some serious kool-aid.




Crass publicity seeking attempts like this do NOT chip away at Western society. Ignorance, Arrogance & Hubris does. Last time I checked, most of that came from within.

Not sure I agree with that comment. I don't see things in such stark contrast. For me, there are many shades of grey. It could be a Canadian thing. Canadian society is relatively unique I'm told, ...however, the "majority" of muslims I encounter here in Canada, aren't the crazy whackjobs you seem to be going on about, or the kind that Garebear and our troops have to fight against over in Afghanistan. They're more like Toxie, trying their best to enjoy their lives and the freedoms living in a Western culture affords them, ...and doing their darndest dealing with the parental pressure to have an arranged marriage. lol

The majority of muslims are not crazy whackjobs. The majority simply do not oppose terrorism. The majority want the Sharia law in the countries they were given the gift of being able to live in. Go look at Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists - where's all the news stories about their human rights ? They don't exist because unlike the muslims, they are not waging a propoganda war against the West from within. A war that is, that you have brought into hook, line & sinker.

The day you see Muslims on the street opposing terrorism. The day you see Muslims on the street supporting western culture (which despite what you think, is NOT inferior). The day you see Muslims trying to integrate is the day that the Islamists will be weakened. As it is, the MAJORITY of Muslims in the West want to change the cultures of their host country which is also the Islamist view. That does NOT make them 'whackjobs' but it does make them a threat.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #126 on: August 21, 2009, 10:49:45 AM »
wasn't the do not eat from the tree of knowledge from genesis?  how old is islam?




Yes it was


 jag you said that muslim doctrine was "seek knowledge" at the time christian doctrine said "do not eat from the tree of knowledge.



 
who happened to be muslim, but the doctrine was "Above all else, seek knowledge" and so the people did, and it led to great discoveries. it came at a time when the Christian doctrin was "Do not eat from the tree of knowledge"


you agree the christian doctrine is from genesis which is supposedly written around 6000 years ago.

how old is islam?  all i can find is it is about 1400 hundred years old. 

do you have a source  that shows that the two doctrines you stated were occuring at the same time?



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« Reply #127 on: August 21, 2009, 10:51:30 AM »
I say Islam brought those things because they came at a time when Islam ruled the world as we knew it.


what years are you talking about?

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #128 on: August 21, 2009, 10:53:38 AM »

It was an assumptive question that deliberately implies falsehoods. Thats why it makes you an ass.


so you have no ties to jaguar enterprises out of toledo, ohio?

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« Reply #129 on: August 21, 2009, 11:05:11 AM »
If this thread isn't proof that Jag is a Muslim, then I don't know what is. Her compass is as royally fucked as the nutjob imams preaching for destruction of everyone. She has contempt for all things non-Islamic and this thread is proof of that.

Now if she would do the womanly thing (by Islamic standards) and have a raghead throw acid in her face....

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« Reply #130 on: August 21, 2009, 11:11:55 AM »
I would have written a thoughtful and eloquent response ala Pedro, but Jag has displayed a continuous disregard for reality to such an extent that from now on, mocking her and pointing out her stupidity seems like a better way to use my energy.

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« Reply #131 on: August 21, 2009, 11:13:37 AM »
This is not a semantical argument. Attempting to turn it into one is a poor substitute for debate.

This is France, France has grown up and has it's own culture and set of rules. A swimming pool can apply whatever rules it sees fit for the benefit of the health of it's filtration system and it's patrons. Let us consider how many years France has had freedom and swimming pools (many) let us consider how many years the Burkini has been in existence (few). This swimming pool has not changed any rules, it is operating as it has done for years. It is the norm there & accepted by all. There have been no cases in the press of guys in surf shorts getting thrown out of the pool, no cases of hindu's in turbans being thrown out of this pool. Is this because it never happened OR is it because  the surfers/hindus accepted the rules of the land and either changed or exited the pool ? I think you know which.

Now -let's examine this case. The Burkini s a very new invention. The woman in question not only got asked to leave the pool, she also went to the press AND threatened to leave the country. If you cannot see this for what it is, then you are either being argumentative for the sake of it or you are espousing irrational liberal views.

Now - to put this in perspective, I lived in Yatsuo Village, about 30k from Toyama City, on the North coast of Japan. I lived there in a small 1 bedroom appartment for 6 months. I was the only westerner in that village. There was not a single other white OR English speaking person there. When I went to the pool there, they made me wear a swimming cap AND made me get out of the pool every 30 minutes to rest. Neither of these were necessary but I went with the flow as opposed to attempting to override the majority that were clearly used to swimming that way. I did not go to the press and I did not threaten to leave the country. I did however, learn a lot about accepting the culture of the host country.

It is quite simple, if you live in a country with a culture that is very different from your own, it is like swimming in a river. First you try to swim against the current but it is a painful experience and you get nowhere. In the end you adapt to the norms of that culture and are rewarded with an experience and understanding that cannot be put into words. The Muslims should give this a go.


Tell you what - go out now & buy "Burned Alive" by Souad. This is the first hand account of a muslim woman in the West Bank. Her mother had 14 children just under half of which were smothered after birth because they were female. Forget the beatings she had all her life. Forget the time her parents left the house and her brother strangled her sister - for smearing the families name. The girl in question couldn't get married because her older, fatter sister had to marry first & no-one wanted her. A local man who was interested in her and has asked for her hand in marriage couldn't have her because of this. To cut a long story short, she had sex with this man and fell pregnant. When they found out, her family arranged for her brother in law to come around & murder her. He sprayed her with gasoline and set light to her. She 'fortunately' ended up in hospital. The staff there wouldn't help her because she was 'Charmuta'. Her mother came around and persuaded her that this was causing the family a lot of stress and gave her some poison to drink. Fortunately someone came by and stopped this just as she had the glass to her lips. In the end, a European aid worker saw her & had her rescued as the hospital was not treating her, feeding her or giving her water. She now lives in France and she has a love for the freedoms of France and a hatred of what is happening to women in the Muslim world. She has the true view on Islam. This 'burkini' convertee to Islam who is enjoying her 15 minutes of fame over the incident hasn't got a fucking clue. Send her back to the west bank & see how she fares.

Now - look at the west. Sure - we have a beer. Sure - girls walk around with mini skirts on - but if you really think that we are morally inferior to people that smother babies, beat girls, fuck 12 year olds, kill their sisters, set fire to pregnant women and throw acid on them, then you have been drinking some serious kool-aid.



The majority of muslims are not crazy whackjobs. The majority simply do not oppose terrorism. The majority want the Sharia law in the countries they were given the gift of being able to live in. Go look at Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists - where's all the news stories about their human rights ? They don't exist because unlike the muslims, they are not waging a propoganda war against the West from within. A war that is, that you have brought into hook, line & sinker.

The day you see Muslims on the street opposing terrorism. The day you see Muslims on the street supporting western culture (which despite what you think, is NOT inferior). The day you see Muslims trying to integrate is the day that the Islamists will be weakened. As it is, the MAJORITY of Muslims in the West want to change the cultures of their host country which is also the Islamist view. That does NOT make them 'whackjobs' but it does make them a threat.
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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #132 on: August 21, 2009, 11:20:59 AM »
I would have written a thoughtful and eloquent response ala Pedro, but Jag has displayed a continuous disregard for reality to such an extent that from now on, mocking her and pointing out her stupidity seems like a better way to use my energy.

That's the approach I take. Much more enjoyable.

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« Reply #133 on: August 21, 2009, 02:29:12 PM »
It is quite simple, if you live in a country with a culture that is very different from your own, it is like swimming in a river. First you try to swim against the current but it is a painful experience and you get nowhere. In the end you adapt to the norms of that culture and are rewarded with an experience and understanding that cannot be put into words. The Muslims should give this a go.

Well said.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #134 on: August 22, 2009, 01:38:48 AM »
This is not a semantical argument. Attempting to turn it into one is a poor substitute for debate.

This is France, France has grown up and has it's own culture and set of rules. A swimming pool can apply whatever rules it sees fit for the benefit of the health of it's filtration system and it's patrons. Let us consider how many years France has had freedom and swimming pools (many) let us consider how many years the Burkini has been in existence (few). This swimming pool has not changed any rules, it is operating as it has done for years. It is the norm there & accepted by all. There have been no cases in the press of guys in surf shorts getting thrown out of the pool, no cases of hindu's in turbans being thrown out of this pool. Is this because it never happened OR is it because  the surfers/hindus accepted the rules of the land and either changed or exited the pool ? I think you know which.

Now -let's examine this case. The Burkini s a very new invention. The woman in question not only got asked to leave the pool, she also went to the press AND threatened to leave the country. If you cannot see this for what it is, then you are either being argumentative for the sake of it or you are espousing irrational liberal views.

Now - to put this in perspective, I lived in Yatsuo Village, about 30k from Toyama City, on the North coast of Japan. I lived there in a small 1 bedroom appartment for 6 months. I was the only westerner in that village. There was not a single other white OR English speaking person there. When I went to the pool there, they made me wear a swimming cap AND made me get out of the pool every 30 minutes to rest. Neither of these were necessary but I went with the flow as opposed to attempting to override the majority that were clearly used to swimming that way. I did not go to the press and I did not threaten to leave the country. I did however, learn a lot about accepting the culture of the host country.

It is quite simple, if you live in a country with a culture that is very different from your own, it is like swimming in a river. First you try to swim against the current but it is a painful experience and you get nowhere. In the end you adapt to the norms of that culture and are rewarded with an experience and understanding that cannot be put into words. The Muslims should give this a go.


Tell you what - go out now & buy "Burned Alive" by Souad. This is the first hand account of a muslim woman in the West Bank. Her mother had 14 children just under half of which were smothered after birth because they were female. Forget the beatings she had all her life. Forget the time her parents left the house and her brother strangled her sister - for smearing the families name. The girl in question couldn't get married because her older, fatter sister had to marry first & no-one wanted her. A local man who was interested in her and has asked for her hand in marriage couldn't have her because of this. To cut a long story short, she had sex with this man and fell pregnant. When they found out, her family arranged for her brother in law to come around & murder her. He sprayed her with gasoline and set light to her. She 'fortunately' ended up in hospital. The staff there wouldn't help her because she was 'Charmuta'. Her mother came around and persuaded her that this was causing the family a lot of stress and gave her some poison to drink. Fortunately someone came by and stopped this just as she had the glass to her lips. In the end, a European aid worker saw her & had her rescued as the hospital was not treating her, feeding her or giving her water. She now lives in France and she has a love for the freedoms of France and a hatred of what is happening to women in the Muslim world. She has the true view on Islam. This 'burkini' convertee to Islam who is enjoying her 15 minutes of fame over the incident hasn't got a fucking clue. Send her back to the west bank & see how she fares.

Now - look at the west. Sure - we have a beer. Sure - girls walk around with mini skirts on - but if you really think that we are morally inferior to people that smother babies, beat girls, fuck 12 year olds, kill their sisters, set fire to pregnant women and throw acid on them, then you have been drinking some serious kool-aid.



The majority of muslims are not crazy whackjobs. The majority simply do not oppose terrorism. The majority want the Sharia law in the countries they were given the gift of being able to live in. Go look at Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists - where's all the news stories about their human rights ? They don't exist because unlike the muslims, they are not waging a propoganda war against the West from within. A war that is, that you have brought into hook, line & sinker.

The day you see Muslims on the street opposing terrorism. The day you see Muslims on the street supporting western culture (which despite what you think, is NOT inferior). The day you see Muslims trying to integrate is the day that the Islamists will be weakened. As it is, the MAJORITY of Muslims in the West want to change the cultures of their host country which is also the Islamist view. That does NOT make them 'whackjobs' but it does make them a threat.

Wow Pedro,

I truly don't know what you're going on about. We are essentially saying the same thing... with different levels of passion. I fear my dispassionate objective observation of the situation has blinded you to what I've actually said. We are on the same side of this. Go back and re-read what I wrote, and you'll see that.
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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #135 on: August 22, 2009, 01:47:56 AM »

so you have no ties to jaguar enterprises out of toledo, ohio?


No I do not have ties to jaguar enterprises out of toledo ohio. I neither have ties to jaguar enterprises out of Mumbai India, or the jaguar enterprises in Wales, or the jaguarenterprises of Santa Ana or the jaguar enterprises in TX... or any other jaguar enterprises out there.

If you named your dog Duke, would that mean he had ties to another dog in England also named Duke?
Let us use some common sense please. I know a woman named Boone, who happens to be rather nasty. I wouldn't go about automatically assuming you had ties to her tho. Unfortunately jaguar enterprises is a rather popular name.
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« Reply #136 on: August 22, 2009, 02:53:17 AM »
Wow Pedro,

I truly don't know what you're going on about. We are essentially saying the same thing... with different levels of passion. I fear my dispassionate objective observation of the situation has blinded you to what I've actually said. We are on the same side of this. Go back and re-read what I wrote, and you'll see that.

So when you said the we are morally inferior and then he said that we were not, you guys were saying the same thing?

That's the most interesting thing I've heard all day.
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« Reply #137 on: August 22, 2009, 07:29:04 AM »
The pool has a set of rules. The woman did not follow them. She is not allowed to swim.

Pretty simple to me.

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« Reply #138 on: August 22, 2009, 07:55:12 AM »
Wow Pedro,

I truly don't know what you're going on about. We are essentially saying the same thing... with different levels of passion. I fear my dispassionate objective observation of the situation has blinded you to what I've actually said. We are on the same side of this. Go back and re-read what I wrote, and you'll see that.

I read and understand exactly what you said "We Westerners ARE morally inferior. We know right from wrong, ...but we do the wrong thing just the same. The only good thing we can saw is that while we're morally inferior, ...at least we don't have a moral disconnect."

We don't set fire to unmarried pregnant women in the West. We don't murder girls at birth and we certainly don't murder them over gossip as happens in the Muslim world. We don't have honour killings. Well, we do now - because we have Muslim communities.

You seem to think that the relatively minor sins committed in the West are actually worse because we know right from wrong, yet the Muslims are OK murdering children because they don't know any better.

Single mother in the West. Gets given help by the government. Terrible sin because we should know better than to help a filthy whore.
Single mother in the West Bank. Gets set on fire by her brother in law, her mother later tries to poison her. Not a sin as they don't know any better.

Woman has affair in the West. Gets a divorce and half her husbands belongings. Terrible sin as we should know better than to reward her behavior & punish her husband.
Woman has affair in the West Bank. Gets stoned to death by a mob. Not a sin as they don't know any better.

Girl gets raped in the West. Gets victim support. Terrible sin because the filthy slut was wearing a short skirt.
Girl gets raped in the West Bank. Gets strangled by her brother at her parents command as she is no longer a virgin and causes the family shame. Not a sin as they don't know any better.

I humbly disagree with the point you are trying to make.

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #139 on: August 22, 2009, 08:04:01 AM »
Pedro arguing with her is like pissing in the wind or shooting pool with a rope. Its a waste of time- she is a complete numbskull. Everything she posts is based on some imaginary moral relativism where everyone and everything is morally equivalent, the west is always wrong, and the Easter Bunny exists but SHE is not tied to any single religion.. She is just pro enviroment! 

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #140 on: August 22, 2009, 09:47:46 AM »
No I do not have ties to jaguar enterprises out of toledo ohio. I neither have ties to jaguar enterprises out of Mumbai India, or the jaguar enterprises in Wales, or the jaguarenterprises of Santa Ana or the jaguar enterprises in TX... or any other jaguar enterprises out there.

If you named your dog Duke, would that mean he had ties to another dog in England also named Duke?
Let us use some common sense please. I know a woman named Boone, who happens to be rather nasty. I wouldn't go about automatically assuming you had ties to her tho. Unfortunately jaguar enterprises is a rather popular name.

cripes woman, a simple no would have sufficed.



interested in your answers to these


jag you said that muslim doctrine was "seek knowledge" at the time christian doctrine said "do not eat from the tree of knowledge.



 
you agree the christian doctrine is from genesis which is supposedly written around 6000 years ago.

how old is islam?  all i can find is it is about 1400 hundred years old. 

do you have a source  that shows that the two doctrines you stated were occuring at the same time?





what years are you talking about?

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« Reply #141 on: August 26, 2009, 02:17:37 PM »
bump for knowledge

jag you said that muslim doctrine was "seek knowledge" at the time christian doctrine said "do not eat from the tree of knowledge.



 
you agree the christian doctrine is from genesis which is supposedly written around 6000 years ago.

how old is islam?  all i can find is it is about 1400 hundred years old. 

do you have a source  that shows that the two doctrines you stated were occuring at the same time?






what years are you talking about?

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Re: French pool bars Muslim bodybuiling woman for 'burquini' suit
« Reply #142 on: August 26, 2009, 05:11:04 PM »
Are things changing in Europe?  Are the native Europeans going to start standing up for themselves and their culture?

 ???
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« Reply #143 on: August 26, 2009, 09:41:20 PM »
Are things changing in Europe?  Are the native Europeans going to start standing up for themselves and their culture?

 ???


QFT God Damn it >:( don't make us go back over there to "sort out" your little "problems" >:(

101st Speed >:(

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« Reply #144 on: August 26, 2009, 11:35:14 PM »

QFT God Damn it >:( don't make us go back over there to "sort out" your little "problems" >:(

101st Speed >:(

Very good post, I'll be kicking ass in the Rhineland just like my grandfather!
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« Reply #145 on: August 26, 2009, 11:38:11 PM »
Very good post, I'll be kicking ass in the Rhineland just like my grandfather!

I'll be in front of you kicking the panel of the amphibian and emptying my first clip >:(

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« Reply #146 on: August 27, 2009, 12:17:58 AM »
I'll be in front of you kicking the panel of the amphibian and emptying my first clip >:(

Mr, you sure are tuff.
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« Reply #147 on: August 27, 2009, 12:18:55 AM »
Mr, you sure are tuff.

Anything to prevent the JIhad meme from spreading. we've done before, we'll do it again.