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« on: October 15, 2009, 03:46:32 PM »
By John Mehaffey

LONDON (Reuters) - Many prehistoric Australian aboriginals could have outrun world 100 and 200 meters record holder Usain Bolt in modern conditions.

Some Tutsi men in Rwanda exceeded the current world high jump record of 2.45 meters during initiation ceremonies in which they had to jump at least their own height to progress to manhood.

Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.


These and other eye-catching claims are detailed in a book by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister entitled "Manthropology" and provocatively sub-titled "The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male."

McAllister sets out his stall in the opening sentence of the prologue.

"If you're reading this then you -- or the male you have bought it for -- are the worst man in history.

"No ifs, no buts -- the worst man, period...As a class we are in fact the sorriest cohort of masculine Homo sapiens to ever walk the planet."

Delving into a wide range of source material McAllister finds evidence he believes proves that modern man is inferior to his predecessors in, among other fields, the basic Olympic athletics disciplines of running and jumping.

His conclusions about the speed of Australian aboriginals 20,000 years ago are based on a set of footprints, preserved in a fossilized claypan lake bed, of six men chasing prey.

FLEET-FOOTED ABORIGINALS

An analysis of the footsteps of one of the men, dubbed T8, shows he reached speeds of 37 kph on a soft, muddy lake edge. Bolt, by comparison, reached a top speed of 42 kph during his then world 100 meters record of 9.69 seconds at last year's Beijing Olympics.

In an interview in the English university town of Cambridge where he was temporarily resident, McAllister said that, with modern training, spiked shoes and rubberized tracks, aboriginal hunters might have reached speeds of 45 kph.

"We can assume they are running close to their maximum if they are chasing an animal," he said.

"But if they can do that speed of 37 kph on very soft ground I suspect there is a strong chance they would have outdone Usain Bolt if they had all the advantages that he does.

"We can tell that T8 is accelerating toward the end of his tracks."

McAllister said it was probable that any number of T8's contemporaries could have run as fast.

"We have to remember too how incredibly rare these fossilizations are," he said. "What are the odds that you would get the fastest runner in Australia at that particular time in that particular place in such a way that was going to be preserved?"

Turning to the high jump, McAllister said photographs taken by a German anthropologist showed young men jumping heights of up to 2.52 meters in the early years of last century.

STARK DECLINE

"It was an initiation ritual, everybody had to do it. They had to be able to jump their own height to progress to manhood," he said.

"It was something they did all the time and they lived very active lives from a very early age. They developed very phenomenal abilities in jumping. They were jumping from boyhood onwards to prove themselves."

McAllister said a Neanderthal woman had 10 percent more muscle bulk than modern European man. Trained to capacity she would have reached 90 percent of Schwarzenegger's bulk at his peak in the 1970s.

"But because of the quirk of her physiology, with a much shorter lower arm, she would slam him to the table without a problem," he said.

Manthropology abounds with other examples:

* Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day carrying more than half their body weight in equipment.

* Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.

* Australian aboriginals threw a hardwood spear 110 meters or more (the current world javelin record is 98.48).


McAllister said it was difficult to equate the ancient spear with the modern javelin but added: "Given other evidence of Aboriginal man's superb athleticism you'd have to wonder whether they couldn't have taken out every modern javelin event they entered."

Why the decline?

"We are so inactive these days and have been since the industrial revolution really kicked into gear," McAllister replied. "These people were much more robust than we were.

"We don't see that because we convert to what things were like about 30 years ago. There's been such a stark improvement in times, technique has improved out of sight, times and heights have all improved vastly since then but if you go back further it's a different story.

"At the start of the industrial revolution there are statistics about how much harder people worked then.

"The human body is very plastic and it responds to stress. We have lost 40 percent of the shafts of our long bones because we have much less of a muscular load placed upon them these days.

"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.


"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we would do well to profit from."

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59D0BR20091014?sp=true

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Re: Modern man a wimp says anthropologist
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2009, 03:58:30 PM »
Here is the fallacy of his claim. Usain bolt is 6'5" so his steps are farther apart. The fewer steps a person takes and the quicker they cover ground is what makes them faster. They can not tell how fast someone is going by tracks.

And aboriginals for the most part haven't changed for 20k yrs, so why aren't they breaking track records. The answer is, becuase they can't.
I do agree that modern man is a weakling, but we are also taller than the Romans and middle easterns of a few thousand yrs ago (men in Jesus time and area were 5'1" tall.)

women in the middle ages had 13-15 inch waists

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« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2009, 04:01:24 PM »
modern man A WIMP?

i think not

let's see Neanderthal man use a High Pressure tanning bed an hour after shaving AND use a tangling lotion

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Re: Modern man a wimp says anthropologist
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2009, 04:04:22 PM »
You go metrosexual.........don't forget to clip those toe nails :D

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Re: Modern man a wimp says anthropologist
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2009, 04:04:58 PM »
I'd rather have shelter, the IFBB, and anabolic windows.

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« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2009, 04:05:42 PM »
You go metrosexual.........don't forget to clip those toe nails :D

believe it or not i haven't gone the whole manicure/pedicure route...yet

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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2009, 04:06:10 PM »
modern man A WIMP?

i think not

let's see Neanderthal man use a High Pressure tanning bed an hour after shaving AND use a tangling lotion
Neanderthals didn't shave... They believe in "The Bush", literally.

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Re: Modern man a wimp says anthropologist
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2009, 04:06:15 PM »
Here is the fallacy of his claim. Usain bolt is 6'5" so his steps are farther apart. The fewer steps a person takes and the quicker they cover ground is what makes them faster. They can not tell how fast someone is going by tracks.

And aboriginals for the most part haven't changed for 20k yrs, so why aren't they breaking track records. The answer is, becuase they can't.
I do agree that modern man is a weakling, but we are also taller than the Romans and middle easterns of a few thousand yrs ago (men in Jesus time and area were 5'1" tall.)

women in the middle ages had 13-15 inch waists

By "we," I'm assuming you mean "other men of my time, excluding me"?

Just kidding  :)

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« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2009, 04:29:44 PM »
By "we," I'm assuming you mean "other men of my time, excluding me"?

Just kidding  :)
Yeah, unfortunately my 6 ft dad passed on the Hobbit gene to me. Thank you for pointing that out.

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Re: Modern man a wimp says anthropologist
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2009, 04:31:08 PM »
with an average IQ of 62 amongst the aforementioned group who gives a fuck... we built cars... fast ones

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« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2009, 04:34:04 PM »
modern man A WIMP?

i think not

let's see Neanderthal man use a High Pressure tanning bed an hour after shaving AND use a tangling lotion
LOL. Funny stuff, johnny.

/if I used a tanning bed for an hour, a CSI team would be scouring tanning bed for ashes for a DNA test

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« Reply #11 on: October 15, 2009, 04:52:54 PM »
LOL. Funny stuff, johnny.

/if I used a tanning bed for an hour, a CSI team would be scouring tanning bed for ashes for a DNA test

excellent
so if you were in a tanning bed for a hour William peterson would show up- NICE

btw, these beds i use are awesome- 10 minutes and you're done
you will be so dark you will make wesley snipes look like micheal jackson

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« Reply #12 on: October 15, 2009, 05:00:56 PM »
excellent
so if you were in a tanning bed for a hour William peterson would show up- NICE

btw, these beds i use are awesome- 10 minutes and you're done
you will be so dark you will make wesley snipes look like micheal jackson
hey johnny when chicks say to you "you are looking really tanned" they say it like you done something wrong? wassup with that...

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« Reply #13 on: October 15, 2009, 05:02:41 PM »
hey johnny when chicks say to you "you are looking really tanned" they say it like you done something wrong? wassup with that...

actually, when they say that to me they ask me how i got it- then i go on to mention about how the moors invaded Italy like 1000 years ago..
.....then once their eyes start to glaze over I just stop and say "I use lotion with Tingle and alittle bronzer"

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« Reply #14 on: October 15, 2009, 05:21:38 PM »
Does this mean the ancient man somehow acquired and used Plazmosis?  :o

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« Reply #15 on: October 15, 2009, 05:33:45 PM »
Yeah, unfortunately my 6 ft dad passed on the Hobbit gene to me. Thank you for pointing that out.

He could have done much worse and passed you the Wiggs genes, homo floresiensis

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« Reply #16 on: October 15, 2009, 06:21:13 PM »
By John Mehaffey

LONDON (Reuters) - Many prehistoric Australian aboriginals could have outrun world 100 and 200 meters record holder Usain Bolt in modern conditions.

Some Tutsi men in Rwanda exceeded the current world high jump record of 2.45 meters during initiation ceremonies in which they had to jump at least their own height to progress to manhood.

Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.


These and other eye-catching claims are detailed in a book by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister entitled "Manthropology" and provocatively sub-titled "The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male."

McAllister sets out his stall in the opening sentence of the prologue.

"If you're reading this then you -- or the male you have bought it for -- are the worst man in history.

"No ifs, no buts -- the worst man, period...As a class we are in fact the sorriest cohort of masculine Homo sapiens to ever walk the planet."

Delving into a wide range of source material McAllister finds evidence he believes proves that modern man is inferior to his predecessors in, among other fields, the basic Olympic athletics disciplines of running and jumping.

His conclusions about the speed of Australian aboriginals 20,000 years ago are based on a set of footprints, preserved in a fossilized claypan lake bed, of six men chasing prey.

FLEET-FOOTED ABORIGINALS

An analysis of the footsteps of one of the men, dubbed T8, shows he reached speeds of 37 kph on a soft, muddy lake edge. Bolt, by comparison, reached a top speed of 42 kph during his then world 100 meters record of 9.69 seconds at last year's Beijing Olympics.

In an interview in the English university town of Cambridge where he was temporarily resident, McAllister said that, with modern training, spiked shoes and rubberized tracks, aboriginal hunters might have reached speeds of 45 kph.

"We can assume they are running close to their maximum if they are chasing an animal," he said.

"But if they can do that speed of 37 kph on very soft ground I suspect there is a strong chance they would have outdone Usain Bolt if they had all the advantages that he does.

"We can tell that T8 is accelerating toward the end of his tracks."

McAllister said it was probable that any number of T8's contemporaries could have run as fast.

"We have to remember too how incredibly rare these fossilizations are," he said. "What are the odds that you would get the fastest runner in Australia at that particular time in that particular place in such a way that was going to be preserved?"

Turning to the high jump, McAllister said photographs taken by a German anthropologist showed young men jumping heights of up to 2.52 meters in the early years of last century.

STARK DECLINE

"It was an initiation ritual, everybody had to do it. They had to be able to jump their own height to progress to manhood," he said.

"It was something they did all the time and they lived very active lives from a very early age. They developed very phenomenal abilities in jumping. They were jumping from boyhood onwards to prove themselves."

McAllister said a Neanderthal woman had 10 percent more muscle bulk than modern European man. Trained to capacity she would have reached 90 percent of Schwarzenegger's bulk at his peak in the 1970s.

"But because of the quirk of her physiology, with a much shorter lower arm, she would slam him to the table without a problem," he said.

Manthropology abounds with other examples:

* Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day carrying more than half their body weight in equipment.

* Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.

* Australian aboriginals threw a hardwood spear 110 meters or more (the current world javelin record is 98.48).


McAllister said it was difficult to equate the ancient spear with the modern javelin but added: "Given other evidence of Aboriginal man's superb athleticism you'd have to wonder whether they couldn't have taken out every modern javelin event they entered."

Why the decline?

"We are so inactive these days and have been since the industrial revolution really kicked into gear," McAllister replied. "These people were much more robust than we were.

"We don't see that because we convert to what things were like about 30 years ago. There's been such a stark improvement in times, technique has improved out of sight, times and heights have all improved vastly since then but if you go back further it's a different story.

"At the start of the industrial revolution there are statistics about how much harder people worked then.

"The human body is very plastic and it responds to stress. We have lost 40 percent of the shafts of our long bones because we have much less of a muscular load placed upon them these days.

"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.


"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we would do well to profit from."

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59D0BR20091014?sp=true

  This is total bullshit. Any modern athlete at the pro level would crush any athlete from the ancient World easily. Might I remind you that Fidipides died after running 26 miles to deliver the message of Athens victory at the battle of Marathon, whilst even weekend warriors nowadays complete the same distance with no problems? Human nowadays are much taller, stronger and healthier than those from the Medieval and ancient eras due to better nutrition and the advancement of medical science. Humans from the 21st Century jump higher, run faster and throw things at a greater distance than people from as little time ago as the 19th century.

  Now, if we are talking about Neanderthals, that is a completely different story because they weren't Human, so you can't really compare them to us. They had much stockier bodybuilds than we have, with a much higher proportion of type III muscle fibers, ideal for exerting quick bursts of strength, and their muscles had much better leverage than ours because they attached to the bones very much like the muscles of apes do. Apples and oranges. "Nuff said.

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Re: Modern man a wimp says anthropologist
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lol, the only thing abos can do is sniff petrol and be a drain on society.....
No doubt about it...

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« Reply #18 on: October 15, 2009, 06:27:34 PM »
modern athletes who re all on steroids wouldnt beat athletes from the ancient world?  ::)

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« Reply #19 on: October 15, 2009, 06:35:44 PM »
lol, the only thing abos can do is sniff petrol and be a drain on society.....
most unattractive women of all the races to boot

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« Reply #20 on: October 15, 2009, 06:36:49 PM »
most unattractive women of all the races to boot

Shocking. No wonder we tried to steal their kids.....
No doubt about it...

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« Reply #21 on: October 15, 2009, 11:35:55 PM »
 This is total bullshit. Any modern athlete at the pro level would crush any athlete from the ancient World easily. Might I remind you that Fidipides died after running 26 miles to deliver the message of Athens victory at the battle of Marathon, whilst even weekend warriors nowadays complete the same distance with no problems? Human nowadays are much taller, stronger and healthier than those from the Medieval and ancient eras due to better nutrition and the advancement of medical science. Humans from the 21st Century jump higher, run faster and throw things at a greater distance than people from as little time ago as the 19th century.

  Now, if we are talking about Neanderthals, that is a completely different story because they weren't Human, so you can't really compare them to us. They had much stockier bodybuilds than we have, with a much higher proportion of type III muscle fibers, ideal for exerting quick bursts of strength, and their muscles had much better leverage than ours because they attached to the bones very much like the muscles of apes do. Apples and oranges. "Nuff said.

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« Reply #22 on: October 15, 2009, 11:41:32 PM »
By John Mehaffey

LONDON (Reuters) - Many prehistoric Australian aboriginals could have outrun world 100 and 200 meters record holder Usain Bolt in modern conditions.

Some Tutsi men in Rwanda exceeded the current world high jump record of 2.45 meters during initiation ceremonies in which they had to jump at least their own height to progress to manhood.

Any Neanderthal woman could have beaten former bodybuilder and current California governor Arnold Schwarzenegger in an arm wrestle.


These and other eye-catching claims are detailed in a book by Australian anthropologist Peter McAllister entitled "Manthropology" and provocatively sub-titled "The Science of the Inadequate Modern Male."

McAllister sets out his stall in the opening sentence of the prologue.

"If you're reading this then you -- or the male you have bought it for -- are the worst man in history.

"No ifs, no buts -- the worst man, period...As a class we are in fact the sorriest cohort of masculine Homo sapiens to ever walk the planet."

Delving into a wide range of source material McAllister finds evidence he believes proves that modern man is inferior to his predecessors in, among other fields, the basic Olympic athletics disciplines of running and jumping.

His conclusions about the speed of Australian aboriginals 20,000 years ago are based on a set of footprints, preserved in a fossilized claypan lake bed, of six men chasing prey.

FLEET-FOOTED ABORIGINALS

An analysis of the footsteps of one of the men, dubbed T8, shows he reached speeds of 37 kph on a soft, muddy lake edge. Bolt, by comparison, reached a top speed of 42 kph during his then world 100 meters record of 9.69 seconds at last year's Beijing Olympics.

In an interview in the English university town of Cambridge where he was temporarily resident, McAllister said that, with modern training, spiked shoes and rubberized tracks, aboriginal hunters might have reached speeds of 45 kph.

"We can assume they are running close to their maximum if they are chasing an animal," he said.

"But if they can do that speed of 37 kph on very soft ground I suspect there is a strong chance they would have outdone Usain Bolt if they had all the advantages that he does.

"We can tell that T8 is accelerating toward the end of his tracks."

McAllister said it was probable that any number of T8's contemporaries could have run as fast.

"We have to remember too how incredibly rare these fossilizations are," he said. "What are the odds that you would get the fastest runner in Australia at that particular time in that particular place in such a way that was going to be preserved?"

Turning to the high jump, McAllister said photographs taken by a German anthropologist showed young men jumping heights of up to 2.52 meters in the early years of last century.

STARK DECLINE

"It was an initiation ritual, everybody had to do it. They had to be able to jump their own height to progress to manhood," he said.

"It was something they did all the time and they lived very active lives from a very early age. They developed very phenomenal abilities in jumping. They were jumping from boyhood onwards to prove themselves."

McAllister said a Neanderthal woman had 10 percent more muscle bulk than modern European man. Trained to capacity she would have reached 90 percent of Schwarzenegger's bulk at his peak in the 1970s.

"But because of the quirk of her physiology, with a much shorter lower arm, she would slam him to the table without a problem," he said.

Manthropology abounds with other examples:

* Roman legions completed more than one-and-a-half marathons a day carrying more than half their body weight in equipment.

* Athens employed 30,000 rowers who could all exceed the achievements of modern oarsmen.

* Australian aboriginals threw a hardwood spear 110 meters or more (the current world javelin record is 98.48).


McAllister said it was difficult to equate the ancient spear with the modern javelin but added: "Given other evidence of Aboriginal man's superb athleticism you'd have to wonder whether they couldn't have taken out every modern javelin event they entered."

Why the decline?

"We are so inactive these days and have been since the industrial revolution really kicked into gear," McAllister replied. "These people were much more robust than we were.

"We don't see that because we convert to what things were like about 30 years ago. There's been such a stark improvement in times, technique has improved out of sight, times and heights have all improved vastly since then but if you go back further it's a different story.

"At the start of the industrial revolution there are statistics about how much harder people worked then.

"The human body is very plastic and it responds to stress. We have lost 40 percent of the shafts of our long bones because we have much less of a muscular load placed upon them these days.

"We are simply not exposed to the same loads or challenges that people were in the ancient past and even in the recent past so our bodies haven't developed. Even the level of training that we do, our elite athletes, doesn't come close to replicating that.


"We wouldn't want to go back to the brutality of those days but there are some things we would do well to profit from."

http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSTRE59D0BR20091014?sp=true
I would agree with the author on many levels. Not only from a physiological aspect but also in terms of character. Look at yesteryears politician versus one of today.



Things were brutal and real back then. Modern society has blunted the process of natural selection and we now live in a new world where what is fittest doesn't necessarily proliferate.