Swine flu and "alternative" theories as to why it occurs...

[Hedgehog]

I found this blog to be quite enlightening on the whole issue.

http://trueslant.com/harmonleon/2009/10/30/most-idiotic-swine-flu-vaccine-conspiracy-theories/


One of the comments is classic "Truther"/Conspiracy Theorist":

No its not aliens.

Its these people…notice the under-reported meeting?

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article6350303.ece

“SOME of America’s leading billionaires have met secretly to consider how their wealth could be used to slow the growth of the world’s population and speed up improvements in health and education.

The philanthropists who attended a summit convened on the initiative of Bill Gates, the Microsoft co-founder, discussed joining forces to overcome political and religious obstacles to change.

Described as the Good Club by one insider it included David Rockefeller Jr, the patriarch of America’s wealthiest dynasty, Warren Buffett and George Soros, the financiers, Michael Bloomberg, the mayor of New York, and the media moguls Ted Turner and Oprah Winfrey.”

Bill Gates Vaccines.

Aids in Vaccines.

We may be the ones that live in but don’t deny this isn’t going on.


Then the reply:
 

So you assume that whenever wealthy people get together it’s always for the benefit for evil and world domination? Is it because they are part of the Annunaki race and part of the reptilian agenda?

Damn you Dr. Jonas Salk, damn you. His stupid polio vaccine was just to put us in FEMA camps but his evil plan backfired.

[Eyeball Chambers]

I don't think trying to slow population growth is really a bad thing. 

As long as people aren't abused

[Hugo Chavez]

can you explain this hedge: 

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=277364.msg3916117#msg3916117

http://www.getbig.com/boards/index.php?topic=277364.msg3918540#msg3918540

remember, they told everyone at first that this was never seen before.  and the other interesting thing is it was the CDC that put out the innitial information that most cases have been mild.

[Hedgehog]

What's your theory. That the government is trying to kill 40 percent of the young people in the world today?

Could it just not be that this is us getting payback for years of manipulations with food, crops, et al?

does it necessarily have to be an evil mind behind it?

[Hugo Chavez]

What's your theory. That the government is trying to kill 40 percent of the young people in the world today?

Could it just not be that this is us getting payback for years of manipulations with food, crops, et al?

does it necessarily have to be an evil mind behind it?

I've never simplified any conspiracy to "the government"  That's almost always skeptics putting that interpretation on the theorist.  If a group of individuals conspire to do X and they work for the government, do I blame the conspirators or the government?  duh...

[Hugo Chavez]

hedge, can you explain those links please?

[Hedgehog]

hedge, can you explain those links please?

You link to a post that says twelve monkeys. Great movie and I know what the movie was about - a man made virus killing man kind.

But what do you want me to say? It's a movie.

Sure, we can't screw with mother nature without getting a recoil. Eg, all the thrash that's disposed in the oceans ends up eaten by fish. Then we'll have to eat that fish one day.

[Hedgehog]

hedge, can you explain those links please?

[Hugo Chavez]

You link to a post that says twelve monkeys. Great movie and I know what the movie was about - a man made virus killing man kind.

But what do you want me to say? It's a movie.

Sure, we can't screw with mother nature without getting a recoil. Eg, all the thrash that's disposed in the oceans ends up eaten by fish. Then we'll have to eat that fish one day.

no I didn't, message 3916117 is the post below that post.  try again.  also I had two links there hedge.

[Hedgehog]

no I didn't, message 3916117 is the post below that post.  try again.  also I had two links there hedge.

Sorry about that. I read the first post now. And it my layman's guess is that it's a test to trydetermine how lethal swine flu could be if it spread to humans.
but I might be totally off. Shoot is more equipped to decipher the text.

I'll take a look at the other one now.

[Hugo Chavez]

Sorry about that. I read the first post now. And it my layman's guess is that it's a test to trydetermine how lethal swine flu could be if it spread to humans.
but I might be totally off. Shoot is more equipped to decipher the text.

I'll take a look at the other one now.

What they're doing, I think, and this is 2002 and before, is creating hybrids of swine, human and avian.  I guess to be able to check for it but the point is here they are doing this in a lab and if you read through the process, it doesn't look so simple as a pig being infected with all three at the same time.

They told us that this virus combo was previously unknown, but they were putting it together in labs years before that?

The pharmaceuticals stand to make 10 to 20 billion globally on the vaccination.  The only thing standing in the way?  A virus in a test tube.  Now isn't it interesting, all the time these three viruses have been separate.  And a few years after they are combining it in a lab, it magically happens by nature in Mexico?  wow....  People kill for lousy hundreds of dollars, some engage in conspiracy for thousands of dollars and we all know the lengths some go to for millions of dollars, even their own family is not off limits then.  I'm supposed to look the other way when billions are on the line?  haha, no way...

[Hedgehog]

Hugo, I checked the second post and link now.

Seems like it's fairly standard virology research, if you would ask me?

The sentence you quoted seemed a little taken out of context, no offence.

Separately, the scientists used gene splicing to create a hybrid H5N1/H3N2 virus. In other words, rather than letting nature take its course and seeing if the viruses would reassort, they guaranteed that reassortment occurred.

It was followed by this:

They found these hybrids also did not pass easily between the animals. Moreover, ferrets injected with the reassorted virus showed symptoms less severe than those with the pure avian flu. Reassortment appears to have weakened the virus.

In a final study, CDC researchers passed a hybrid virus through a series of ferrets to see if it would accumulate genetic changes necessary to transmit more easily. This tested the mutation factor. The scientists found this introduced only one genetic change in the virus but didn't enhance its transmissibility.



If you recall, there were a big scare a few years ago about the dangers of the bird flu, since it's very lethal.

At first, it seemed like it could be the next plague.

The big threat.

But it was shown that in it current form, the bird flu was very hard for humans to contract.

So that's how I read this article. Scientists are researching how to battle future types of flus.

FWIW, I know the emergency health care here in Sweden is planning for if a mutated form of the bird flu does break out.

And I also know that the current vaccine for the swine flu is only but a slight variation of the bird flu vaccine.

[Hugo Chavez]

Hugo, I checked the second post and link now.

Seems like it's fairly standard virology research, if you would ask me?

The sentence you quoted seemed a little taken out of context, no offence.

Separately, the scientists used gene splicing to create a hybrid H5N1/H3N2 virus. In other words, rather than letting nature take its course and seeing if the viruses would reassort, they guaranteed that reassortment occurred.

It was followed by this:

They found these hybrids also did not pass easily between the animals. Moreover, ferrets injected with the reassorted virus showed symptoms less severe than those with the pure avian flu. Reassortment appears to have weakened the virus.

In a final study, CDC researchers passed a hybrid virus through a series of ferrets to see if it would accumulate genetic changes necessary to transmit more easily. This tested the mutation factor. The scientists found this introduced only one genetic change in the virus but didn't enhance its transmissibility.



If you recall, there were a big scare a few years ago about the dangers of the bird flu, since it's very lethal.

At first, it seemed like it could be the next plague.

The big threat.

But it was shown that in it current form, the bird flu was very hard for humans to contract.

So that's how I read this article. Scientists are researching how to battle future types of flus.

FWIW, I know the emergency health care here in Sweden is planning for if a mutated form of the bird flu does break out.

And I also know that the current vaccine for the swine flu is only but a slight variation of the bird flu vaccine.

Hedge, what I said is not out of context.  And the rest of what you said only re-inforces what I have said.  The viruses don't travel easy between species and here we have a virus that exists, by official accounts, by multiple infection in the hosts.  And as you said with their results showing mild symptoms in secondary hosts, the symptoms for most in this swine/human/avian flu has been mild so you just backed that up.  And you don't address the point that this was said to be never seen before when infact they have been creating it.