cycle+pct question

[lesaucer]

sup going to do my first cycle soon,dbol-test e, what you guys think of this: test 500mg week 1-12, dbol: 30mg week 1-4, 40mg week 4-6+start creatine.
for pct, start taking nolva 3 weeks after last injection, or during cycle if gyno appear. what dosage is good for nolva during cycle if gyno and, for pct ?
Dont need to take hcg with a little cycle like this right? Should I take liv-52 for liver protection? and i think im going to use advodart to prevent hairloss. im i going to have sex drive problems after the cycle?

[4thAD]

sup going to do my first cycle soon,dbol-test e, what you guys think of this: test 500mg week 1-12, dbol: 30mg week 1-4, 40mg week 4-6+start creatine.
for pct, start taking nolva 3 weeks after last injection, or during cycle if gyno appear. what dosage is good for nolva during cycle if gyno and, for pct ?
Dont need to take hcg with a little cycle like this right? Should I take liv-52 for liver protection? and i think im going to use advodart to prevent hairloss. im i going to have sex drive problems after the cycle?

Why are you upping the dbol dose weeks 4-6? Run the same dose all the way through. Creatine you can run when ever you want, personally I run it when starting PCT. It keeps strength up, and helps with motivation as your hormone levels are falling. Start the nolvadex 2 weeks after last injection of test. 20mg ed while on cycle or in PCT will do the trick. IMO you def need HCG with this cycle, as this cycle will shut down HTPA, and kill off leydig cells. Liv-52 would be wise during this run, and should always be run when running orals. The only sex drive problem you will have is not having a chick around 24/7

[lesaucer]

Why are you upping the dbol dose weeks 4-6? Run the same dose all the way through. Creatine you can run when ever you want, personally I run it when starting PCT. It keeps strength up, and helps with motivation as your hormone levels are falling. Start the nolvadex 2 weeks after last injection of test. 20mg ed while on cycle or in PCT will do the trick. IMO you def need HCG with this cycle, as this cycle will shut down HTPA, and kill off leydig cells. Liv-52 would be wise during this run, and should always be run when running orals. The only sex drive problem you will have is not having a chick around 24/7

Im upping the dbol dose and adding creatine on week 4 because 4 week is the average time it take until test e start to really kick in, so i think its a good opportunity to give my body a big boost during that time     creatine while pct? nahh i think its useless, better using it while peaking, strength will go down for sure anyway after cycle. pct im just gonna stop volume training 4days/week, 5000-6000cal to HIT training 3days with 4000-5000,, trying to keep most gains i can. about sex drive, thats awesome hahaha.  what dosage do you recommend for HCG, also during or after cycle?   should i use liv-52 during or after dbol? because i heard it interfere with dbol absorption

[tstmaniac]

Why are you upping the dbol dose weeks 4-6? Run the same dose all the way through. Creatine you can run when ever you want, personally I run it when starting PCT. It keeps strength up, and helps with motivation as your hormone levels are falling. Start the nolvadex 2 weeks after last injection of test. 20mg ed while on cycle or in PCT will do the trick. IMO you def need HCG with this cycle, as this cycle will shut down HTPA, and kill off leydig cells. Liv-52 would be wise during this run, and should always be run when running orals. The only sex drive problem you will have is not having a chick around 24/7

agreed i run the creatine and glutamine heavy in my pct

[4thAD]

Im upping the dbol dose and adding creatine on week 4 because 4 week is the average time it take until test e start to really kick in, so i think its a good opportunity to give my body a big boost during that time     creatine while pct? nahh i think its useless, better using it while peaking, strength will go down for sure anyway after cycle. pct im just gonna stop volume training 4days/week, 5000-6000cal to HIT training 3days with 4000-5000,, trying to keep most gains i can. about sex drive, thats awesome hahaha.  what dosage do you recommend for HCG, also during or after cycle?   should i use liv-52 during or after dbol? because i heard it interfere with dbol absorption

Your thinking on the dbol is off IMO, but to each his own. Training and diet should be the same when "ON" or "OFF"

HCG dosage should be 500iu 2x ew, or e3d. E3D is optimal, but its your choice. Should be run from day 1 and stopping 4 days prior to PCT. Liv 52 should be used before and after.

[lesaucer]

Your thinking on the dbol is off IMO, but to each his own. Training and diet should be the same when "ON" or "OFF"

HCG dosage should be 500iu 2x ew, or e3d. E3D is optimal, but its your choice. Should be run from day 1 and stopping 4 days prior to PCT. Liv 52 should be used before and after.

alright thanks. liv-52 before the cycle?? for how long? and how long for after too?

[4thAD]

I start the cycle with liv-52, and continue it for a few weeks after. Liv-52 is good for you, and kind of works as a post cycle liver cleanser when off of the orals.

[tbombz]

know what works well for the toxicity of orals, is cranberry extract. if i take any oral medication i lose my appetite withing 48 hours... and it will last abotu 48 hours beyond the last doseage i take..  but if i take cranberry extract i dont get nearly as much of an effect, and i also bounce back quicker.

[tstmaniac]

Cranberry extract? You notice that much of a difference? Ill have to give it a try

[tbombz]

Cranberry extract? You notice that much of a difference? Ill have to give it a try

yeah, i stumbled upon it about two to three months ago. works well after a night of drinking too.

[lesaucer]

know what works well for the toxicity of orals, is cranberry extract. if i take any oral medication i lose my appetite withing 48 hours... and it will last abotu 48 hours beyond the last doseage i take..  but if i take cranberry extract i dont get nearly as much of an effect, and i also bounce back quicker.

ok cool then ill try cranberry extract during cycle and liv-52 after only. anyway 30mg of dbol aint a big deal..