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Medicare cuts and other D.C. fairy tales: Obama's so-called 'savings' are pure political fantasy
By Dr. David Gratzer

Thursday, December 3rd 2009, 4:00 AM
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It's that time of year again: Washington is talking about cuts to Medicare. President Obama's health-care reforms depend on them - up to $400 billion worth over 10 years.

As a psychiatrist, I'll break the bad news gently: Medicare cuts are like Santa Claus and his flying reindeers - often talked about, never actually seen.


The federal government has long fought to control Medicare spending. Today's Medicare program costs taxpayers twice what it did 10 years ago. But whenever lawmakers from either party agree to savings, Congress reverses course, fearing cuts will anger voters on Election Day.

Congress reversed planned cuts in 1999. And 2005. And 2004. And 2006. In fact, since 1997, when members of both parties agreed to automatic cuts if spending rose faster than population and economic growth, the program has been cut just once, in 2002.

At one point, Congress voted to postpone a 10% cut in Medicare doctors' fees from December 2007 until mid-summer 2008. Just weeks later, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi attacked the rescheduled savings as "exactly the wrong medicine."

So come July 2008, despite massive deficit projections, Congress voted to abandon the planned savings altogether. President George Bush vetoed that decision - only to have Congress, both parties, override him.

Turns out, there are only two ways to credibly cut Medicare costs. Option one: reengineer the program with a focus on cutting demand by improving the overall wellness of beneficiaries. This is a vital, longer-term project that so far nobody is touching with a 10-foot pole.

Option two: cut supply by rationing care, which makes patients - namely, politically active elderly voters - angry. So it's no surprise that the cycle of cuts and reversals has continued with almost comic certainty. In fact, just days ago, the House of Representatives passed a bill reversing Medicare cuts slated for 2010, with White House support.

Yet as you read this, President Obama and Democrats in Congress insist they can pay for half of Obamacare's new spending on health care with . . . you guessed it: future, unspecified, scheduled cuts to Medicare doctors' fees, drug payments and hospital reimbursements. Pelosi has put aside last year's worries; now she believes Washington can find $400 billion over 10 years - without the likes of herself interfering.

How? Obamacare is built on a gimmick. The White House apparently believes America's grandmothers won't mind hundreds of billions of dollars worth of Medicare cuts if a committee of health-care bureaucrats is in charge, deflecting responsibility for ruthless decisions that politicians and doctors can't be trusted to make. In the Senate bill, the committee is called the Independent Medicare Advisory Board.

This strategy has already failed in Britain, where politicians desperate to tame rising health costs created a National Institute for Health and Clinical Effectiveness. Several NICE rulings to cut coverage for expensive treatments have since been challenged or reversed. And as a result, health inflation lives on in Britain, because their officials, just like ours, don't have the guts to tell millions of grandmothers to suffer just to balance a budget.

And so, supporters of Obama-care who think their plan is paid for with Medicare savings, beware. Don't worry about leaving the milk and cookies out: He's not coming, and neither are the cuts.

Gratzer, a physician, is a senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute and author of "Why Obama's Government Takeover of Health Care Will Be a Disaster."

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You have all been warned. 

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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2009, 09:13:20 AM »
The pure fantasy is from the right.  Hey 333 the dems currently don't have the votes so why is the right stalling? Because it's scared.  They know the people want this but they will do everything in their power to stall it even when the dems can't even agree on the bill to vote for. 

You know it, i know it, the repubs know it.  If this was DOA as you proclaim why won't the repubs just let it through to die without the numbers? Why do they keep stalling and talking about medicare cuts as if this isn't something they have tried to do MANY times themselves? (BTW medicare won't be cut more lies and spin from the right and lets say it was why do you or the right care? This is something you've tried to do for years!) Have they suddenly got a conscience? No.  They are running scared.  Even without the dems having numbers they still run scared and try to stall.  This is laughable really. 
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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2009, 09:14:41 AM »
The pure fantasy is from the right.  Hey 333 the dems currently don't have the votes so why is the right stalling? Because it's scared.  They know the people want this but they will do everything in their power to stall it even when the dems can't even agree on the bill to vote for. 

You know it, i know it, the repubs know it.  If this was DOA as you proclaim why won't the repubs just let it through to die without the numbers? Why do they keep stalling and talking about medicare cuts as if this isn't something they have tried to do MANY times themselves? (BTW medicare won't be cut more lies and spin from the right and lets say it was why do you or the right care? This is something you've tried to do for years!) Have they suddenly got a conscience? No.  They are running scared.  Even without the dems having numbers they still run scared and try to stall.  This is laughable really. 

Maybe because WHORES like Democrat Landrieu are being bribed with hundreds of millions of dollars for their vote?

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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2009, 09:19:05 AM »
Maybe because WHORES like Democrat Landrieu are being bribed with hundreds of millions of dollars for their vote?

Like this is new? Come on 333 this is American politics.  Campaign funds aren't given freely.  But even still the dems don't have the numbers so why are the repubs stalling? Self defeating wouldn't you think? Or are they running scared like a chicken without a head they do not know what to do.  Maybe Palin can facebook them some ideas hahaha  :P
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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2009, 09:21:30 AM »
Like this is new? Come on 333 this is American politics.  Campaign funds aren't given freely.  But even still the dems don't have the numbers so why are the repubs stalling? Self defeating wouldn't you think? Or are they running scared like a chicken without a head they do not know what to do.  Maybe Palin can facebook them some ideas hahaha  :P

The GOP is not stalling anything.  The dems have 60 seats, its all on them buddy.  They created this disaster and now have to deal with it.  They came up with a phony bill even Howard Dean said is wortheless, and are balking at it. 

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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2009, 09:24:03 AM »
  They know the people want this

Do you have anything that backs this up?

I know people want health care reform in general, but I haven't seen anything that points to the general public wanting this version of it.
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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2009, 09:25:15 AM »
The GOP is not stalling anything.  The dems have 60 seats, its all on them buddy.  They created this disaster and now have to deal with it.  They came up with a phony bill even Howard Dean said is wortheless, and are balking at it. 

Haha bulllllsh**t! The repubs are stalling voting on their own amendments this is fact buddy.  The dems don't have the numbers but can't call a vote even if they wanted to (which they don't because they don't have the numbers) so the repubs could pressure them to but they aren't they're running scared like children from mommy.  Why? Because the american people will LOVE this plan.  Just like Medicare is popular and untouchable, this will be too.  333 admit it they are scared for their political lives because once (or if?) this passes the Obama presidency will be a success and he'll have a second term sewn up.  
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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2009, 09:26:15 AM »
Do you have anything that backs this up?

I know people want health care reform in general, but I haven't seen anything that points to the general public wanting this version of it.

Currently there is no version of 'it' to want.  It is still in the forming stages and nothing is set in stone.  Until there is i will continue to side with the people (a majority) who voted for reform. 
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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2009, 09:29:14 AM »
Haha bulllllsh**t! The repubs are stalling voting on their own amendments this is fact buddy.  The dems don't have the numbers but can't call a vote even if they wanted to (which they don't because they don't have the numbers) so the repubs could pressure them to but they aren't they're running scared like children from mommy.  Why? Because the american people will LOVE this plan.  Just like Medicare is popular and untouchable, this will be too.  333 admit it they are scared for their political lives because once (or if?) this passes the Obama presidency will be a success and he'll have a second term sewn up.  

Unreal.  You really believe that crap? 

Mediare and SS are broke!  Of course people love getting stuff for free or vastly and grossly disporportionate to what they put in. 

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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2009, 09:31:09 AM »
The Democrats dont have the votes, plain and simple,  so it does not matter one fucking bit what the Republicans do or don't do.




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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2009, 09:33:03 AM »
Currently there is no version of 'it' to want.  It is still in the forming stages and nothing is set in stone.  Until there is i will continue to side with the people (a majority) who voted for reform. 

That's too big a leap then, and you can't use it to support your argument.

I would think the  American people do not want free health care for the 50M who are uninsured and include illegals.  They also don't want reform that the country cannot possibly afford.
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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2009, 09:34:09 AM »
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Unreal.  You really believe that crap?

Mediare and SS are broke!  Of course people (including KCballer) love getting stuff for free or vastly and grossly disporportionate to what they put in.

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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2009, 09:34:52 AM »
Guess what you can't polish a turd, and the bill is one giant pile.
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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2009, 09:39:20 AM »
The Democrats dont have the votes, plain and simple,  so it does not matter one fucking bit what the Republicans do or don't do.





You're right they don't.  So why are the repubs stalling on amendments they put forth? Because they are scared.  This would die if they stopped stalling.  Explain exactly the logic behind stalling a vote on a bill that doesn't have the numbers to pass when you are against said bill?
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Re: Dr.: "ObamaCare is built upon fairy tales, lies, and pure fantasy"
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2009, 09:49:41 AM »
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You're right they don't.  So why are the repubs stalling on amendments they put forth? Because they are scared.  This would die if they stopped stalling.  Explain exactly the logic behind stalling a vote on a bill that doesn't have the numbers to pass when you are against said bill?

Case Closed.