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Senators Strike Health Deal
« on: December 09, 2009, 08:34:41 AM »
Senators Strike Health Deal

By GREG HITT and JANET ADAMY


[Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid talks to the media after the Senate Democratic caucus that President Barack Obama attended on Capitol Hill in Washington Sunday, Dec. 6, 2009. ] Associated Press

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid talks to the media after the Senate Democratic caucus that Obama attended on Capitol Hill in Washington on Sunday.

WASHINGTON -- Senior Senate Democrats reached tentative agreement Tuesday night to abandon the government-run insurance plan in their health-overhaul bill and to expand Medicare coverage to some people ages 55 to 64, clearing the most significant hurdle so far in getting a bill that can pass Congress.

Liberals dropped the public insurance plan that was a central plank of the Democrats' health bill in favor of a more limited alternative, following intense pressure from a small group of Democrats who had insisted for months that it was a deal-breaker. While disputes over abortion coverage and other issues remain, Democrats appeared a whisker away from having enough votes to overcome Republican opposition and pass a sweeping health overhaul in the Senate.

The Senate bill -- including the lack of a public plan -- is likely to form the core of any final legislation, though it will have to be reconciled with a health bill passed by the House last month.
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The agreement capped several days of high-stakes negotiations by a group of 10 Democratic senators -- five moderates and five liberals. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D., Nev.) had advanced a bill that would have had the government directly operate a health-insurance plan, while giving states the right to opt out.

In place of that, the senators embraced a more limited proposal that would empower the government's Office of Personnel Management to put in place a new low-cost national health plan, congressional aides said. The office already administers plans offered to federal employees and members of Congress. The new national plan would be run by nonprofit entities set up by the private sector, and would be available to the public on the new insurance exchanges that would be created under the bill.

If no private insurers sign up with the Office of Personnel Management to offer a national plan, the office would be authorized to implement a direct government-run plan, an unlikely prospect, aides said.
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The plan must still be analyzed by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office and vetted by the full Democratic caucus. But the proposal is aimed at reconciling divisions among Democrats and ensuring that Mr. Reid has 60 votes needed for final passage.

"I believe this moves us way down the road," Mr. Reid said in announcing what he called a "broad agreement."

The arrangement is attractive to Democratic centrists who worry about the government's growing footprint in the private market.

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In a nod to Democratic liberals still intent on expanding coverage, the group agreed to a proposal that would open Medicare, the health-insurance program for the elderly, to Americans ages 55 to 64. The proposal would benefit an estimated two million to three million Americans who have difficulty obtaining coverage elsewhere, including those who have lost their jobs. People in the 55-to-64 group who already get health insurance through their employers would continue to do so under the proposal.

Those eligible under the expanded Medicare program would be allowed to buy into it at subsidized rates, but would likely pay more than retirees age 65 and over.

Although the public option generated significant dissension among Democrats, the CBO projected that a relatively small number of Americans would use it. It said total enrollment after a decade would be only three million to four million people, in part because the CBO predicted the public option would attract less-healthy employees and charge higher premiums.

Republicans criticized the Democratic negotiations. "What's becoming abundantly clear is that the majority will make any deal, agree to any terms, sign any dotted line that brings them closer to final passage of this terrible bill," said Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R., Ky.).

Sen. John Barrasso (R., Wyo.) said expanding Medicare "is putting more people in a boat that's already sinking."

The American Medical Association said it opposes expanding Medicare because doctors face steep pay cuts under the program and many Medicare patients are struggling to find a doctor. Hospitals also said expanding Medicare and Medicaid is a bad idea. (Read more on opposition to the Medicare move in the Health Blog.)

"We want coverage -- in the worst way -- expanded, but both of these means are problematic for hospitals and physicians," said Chip Kahn, president of the Federation of American Hospitals, which lobbies on behalf of for-profit hospitals. "It's going to make it difficult to make it work."

After more than a week of debate on the Senate floor, Mr. Reid was working hard to unify his 60-member caucus, which includes 58 Democrats and two independents. A handful of moderate Democrats as well as Sen. Joseph Lieberman, the Connecticut independent, signaled concerns with the government-run plan, threatening to derail the broader bill.

Mr. Reid's decision to tap 10 Democrats from both wings of the party to negotiate a deal on the issue was a gambit that the group could bridge the differences.

Mr. Lieberman sent aides to join the senators' talks. He was among the most vocal in opposing the public option, and on Tuesday he praised the proposal to empower the Office of Personnel Management to work with private insurers to implement a new national plan. "That's an interesting idea," he said. The senator also said he was willing to consider supporting the Medicare expansion, saying the proposal is designed to help those who "have a tough time getting affordable insurance."

He added, "These are trade-offs, not compromises."

The legislation is designed to extend insurance coverage to tens of millions of Americans. It would create new tax subsidies to help low- and middle-income people comply with a mandate to purchase coverage.

It would also bar insurers from engaging in a range of practices, such as denying coverage because of pre-existing conditions, and Senate Democrats were considering adding to those restrictions.

Under discussion among Senate Democrats was a proposal that would require insurance companies to spend no less than 90% of the insurance premiums they take in on health services, effectively limiting how much they can reap in profit. The health bill the House passed last month contains a similar provision, though it sets the minimum at 85%.

Also, a proposal to expand eligibility for Medicaid beyond the increase already in the bill was dropped Tuesday, said people familiar with the negotiations. Instead, the Democratic negotiators agreed to a proposal that would extend the Children's Health Insurance Program, a popular federal-state initiative that provides insurance to more than seven million children in low-income families. The current program is funded through 2013 and would be extended to 2015, these people said.

Aides cautioned that the accord reached Tuesday could be reopened if the CBO identifies major problems. Moreover, other issues, such as proposals to control the rapid growth of health costs, may still need to be negotiated over the next few days.

But if Mr. Reid has his way, he could begin the process of shutting off debate late this week. That would set the stage for another test on the Senate floor early next week that will demonstrate whether he has 60 votes for the bill. Final passage could come late next week.

The deal was announced a few hours after the Senate, voting 54-45, rejected a proposal to tighten abortion limits in its health-overhaul legislation.

Supporters said the amendment, offered by Sen. Ben Nelson (D., Neb.), was needed to ensure no federal funds would be used to help women get abortions. Seven Democrats voted for the amendment, while two Republicans voted against it. Mr. Reid, arguing that expanding health care was "also a question of morality," urged that the issue not be brought into the bill. "This is a health-care bill, not an abortion bill," said Mr. Reid, himself an abortion opponent. "We can't afford to miss the big picture."

Democratic leaders have suggested the issue could still be revisited by tightening the limits, though not as far as Mr. Nelson wanted. Mr. Nelson proposed to bar any woman receiving a government tax credit from buying insurance that covers abortion.

With the need for Democratic unity at a premium, Mr. Nelson suggested he's open to further discussion on the issue. "I don't want to be stubborn or closed-minded," he said.
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Re: Senators Strike Health Deal
« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2009, 08:39:54 AM »
This is pure nonsense.  medicare has unfunded liabilities of 34 trillion dollars with no way to pay for it and they are going to expand this program?

What hell is wrong with these people? 

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Re: Senators Strike Health Deal
« Reply #2 on: December 09, 2009, 08:47:24 AM »
This is pure nonsense.  medicare has unfunded liabilities of 34 trillion dollars with no way to pay for it and they are going to expand this program?

What hell is wrong with these people? 

Why should they care? It's not their money and they have the best healthcare the tax payers money can buy. The only solution to this congressional stupidity is term limits for these assholes
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Re: Senators Strike Health Deal
« Reply #3 on: December 09, 2009, 09:16:42 AM »
It's sad we can't have a public like option.  That is something i would have liked to see.  But expanded medicare will go a long way for a lot of Americans so it's a good choice.  Medicare is already hugely popular (not with repubs of course) but with the people.  People love it and expanding it is a win-win for the democrats.  They get the check mark of health care reform and the bonus of not touching existing medicare whilst increasing a hugely popular program to others.  Great political move. 
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« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2009, 09:18:43 AM »
It's sad we can't have a public like option.  That is something i would have liked to see.  But expanded medicare will go a long way for a lot of Americans so it's a good choice.  Medicare is already hugely popular (not with repubs of course) but with the people.  People love it and expanding it is a win-win for the democrats.  They get the check mark of health care reform and the bonus of not touching existing medicare whilst increasing a hugely popular program to others.  Great political move. 

What part of 34 Trillion Dollars in unfunded liabilities dont you understand?   

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« Reply #5 on: December 09, 2009, 09:22:22 AM »
What part of 34 Trillion Dollars in unfunded liabilities dont you understand?   

What part of people love medicare do you not understand? You want to take it from them? Puh lease.  Repubs have been trying for years and it will NEVER happen.  It's too popular and the government is an extension of the people is it not?  Medicare is supported and increasing it is a smart political move. 
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« Reply #6 on: December 09, 2009, 09:23:25 AM »
What part of people love medicare do you not understand? You want to take it from them? Puh lease.  Repubs have been trying for years and it will NEVER happen.  It's too popular and the government is an extension of the people is it not?  Medicare is supported and increasing it is a smart political move. 

People love to get free stuff?  Who would have guessed?

Where do you think the 34 Trillion is coming from? 

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« Reply #7 on: December 09, 2009, 09:24:01 AM »
What part of 34 Trillion Dollars in unfunded liabilities dont you understand?  
None of that matters to Dems/Left wingers, you see they seem to think health care is a right. So cost is not an issue, even if it means bankrupting the country.
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« Reply #8 on: December 09, 2009, 09:26:44 AM »
None of that matters to Dems/Left wingers, you see they seem to think health care is a right. So cost is not an issue, even if it means bankrupting the country.

That is the only reasonable conclusion one can come to. 

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« Reply #9 on: December 09, 2009, 09:32:21 AM »
That is the only reasonable conclusion one can come to. 

The other problem is that people live longer in 1965 the average life expectancy was about 70 yrs now it is about 79 yrs. Someone in the government obviously didn't take that into account
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Re: Senators Strike Health Deal
« Reply #10 on: December 09, 2009, 11:35:13 AM »
The other problem is that people live longer in 1965 the average life expectancy was about 70 yrs now it is about 79 yrs. Someone in the government obviously didn't take that into account

They also didn't take into account how much fuel the printing press was going to run to print money.