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James Hansen on David Letterman
« on: December 11, 2009, 01:55:25 PM »

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Re: James Hansen on David Letterman
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2009, 01:58:27 PM »
Did you know he is against this crap & tax policy Obama is pushing? 

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Re: James Hansen on David Letterman
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2009, 01:59:55 PM »
Did you know he is against this crap & tax policy Obama is pushing? 

Did you also know the he said the West Side Hghy would already be underwater due to Globalist Warming?  Guess what idiot?  I drove on last week and it is the same as when I was a young kid, and the same as when it was created. 

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Re: James Hansen on David Letterman
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2009, 02:10:55 PM »
Jim Hansen calls Cap and Trade the “Temple of Doom”

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Law of unintended consequences? Hansens's 1988 congressional testimony - the moment of birth of the CO2 worry, which later morphed into the cap and trade Gorian temple (i.e. Jim, you started it)

Note: this letter from Dr. Jim Hansen of NASA GISS is reprinted below unedited, exactly in email as it was received by me, including the title below. You can reference a PDF version on his Columbia U page here I’ll have to agree with Dr. Hansen though, Cap and Trade is about the closest thing to the “Temple of Doom” our economy would face. No word yet from Harrison Ford if he’ll play Jim in the movie. What is most interesting is who he didn’t mention in the last paragraph.- Anthony


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Worshipping the Temple of Doom

My response to the letter from Dr. Martin Parkinson, Secretary of the Australian Department of Climate Change, is available, along with this note, on my web site.

Thanks to the many people who provided comments on my draft response, including Steve Hatfield-Dodds, a senior official within the Australian Department of Climate Change.  I appreciate the willingness of the Australian government to engage in this discussion.  I believe that you will find the final letter to be significantly improved over the draft version.

Several people admonished me for informal language, which detracts from credibility, and attempts at humor with an insulting tone (e.g., alligator shoes).  They are right, of course – these should not be in the letter.  So I reserve opinions with an edge to my covering e-mail note.

My frustration arises from the huge gap between words of governments, worldwide, and their actions or planned actions.  It is easy to speak of a planet in peril.  It is quite another to level with the public about what is needed, even if the actions are in everybody’s long-term interest.

Instead governments are retreating to feckless “cap-and-trade”, a minor tweak to business-as-usual.  Oil companies are so relieved to realize that they do not need to learn to be energy companies that they are decreasing their already trivial investments in renewable energy.  They are using the money to buy greenwash advertisements.  Perhaps if politicians and businesses paint each other green, it will not seem so bad when our forests burn.

Cap-and-trade is the temple of doom.  It would lock in disasters for our children and grandchildren.  Why do people continue to worship a disastrous approach?  Its fecklessness was proven by the Kyoto Protocol.  It took a decade to implement the treaty, as countries extracted concessions that weakened even mild goals.  Most countries that claim to have met their obligations actually increased their emissions.  Others found that even modest reductions of emissions were inconvenient, and thus they simply ignored their goals.

Why is this cap-and-trade temple of doom worshipped?  The 648 page cap-and-trade monstrosity that is being foisted on the U.S. Congress provides the answer.  Not a single Congressperson has read it.  They don’t need to – they just need to add more paragraphs to support their own special interests.  By the way, the Congress people do not write most of those paragraphs – they are “suggested” by people in alligator shoes.

The only defense of this monstrous absurdity that I have heard is “well, you are right, it’s no good, but the train has left the station”.  If the train has left, it had better be derailed soon or the planet, and all of us, will be in deep do-do.  People with the gumption to parse the 648-pages come out with estimates of a price impact on petrol between 12 and 20 cents per gallon.  It has to be kept small and ineffectual, because they want to claim that it does not affect energy prices!

It seems they would not dream of being honest and admitting that an increased price for fossil fuels is essential to drive us to the world beyond fossil fuels.  Of course, there are a huge number of industries and people who do not want us to move to the world beyond fossil fuels – these are the biggest fans of cap-and-trade.  Next are those who want the process mystified, so they can make millions trading, speculating, and gaming the system at public expense.

The science has become clear: burning all fossil fuels would put Earth on a disastrous course, leaving our children and grandchildren with a deteriorating situation out of their control.  The geophysical implication is that most of the remaining coal and unconventional fossil fuels (tar shale, etc.) must be left in the ground or the emissions captured and put back in the ground.  A corollary is that it makes no sense to go after every last drop of oil in the most remote and pristine places – we would have to fight to get the CO2 back out of the air or somehow “geoengineer” our way out of its effects.

A more sensible approach is to begin a rapid transition to a clean energy future, beyond fossil fuels – for the sake of our children and grandchildren, already likely to be saddled with our economic debts, and to preserve the other species on the planet.  Such a path would also eliminate mercury emissions, most air pollution, acid rain and ozone alerts, likely reversing trends toward increasing asthma and birth defects.  Such an energy future would also halt the drain on our treasure and lives resulting from dependence on foreign energy sources.

What is it that does not compute here?  Why does the public choose to subsidize fossil fuels, rather than taxing fossil fuels to make them cover their costs to society?  I don’t think that the public actually voted on that one.  It probably has something to do with all the alligator shoes in Washington.  Those 2400 energy lobbyists in Washington are not well paid for nothing.  You have three guesses as to who eventually pays the salary of these lobbyists, and the first two guesses don’t count.

I get a lot of e-mails telling me to stick to climate, that I don’t know anything about economics.  I know this: the fundamental requirement for transition to the post fossil fuel era is a substantial and rising price on carbon emissions.  And businesses and consumers must understand that it will continue to rise in the future.

Of course, a rising carbon price alone is not sufficient for a successful rapid transition to the post fossil fuel era.  There also must be efficiency standards on buildings, vehicles, appliances, electronics and lighting.  Barriers to efficiency, such as utilities making more money when we use more energy, must be removed.

But the essential underlying requirement is a substantial rising carbon price.  Building standards, especially operations, for example, are practically unenforceable without a strong cost driver.  The carbon price must be sufficient to affect lifestyle choices.

648 pages are not needed to define a carbon fee.  It is a single number that would be ratcheted upward over time.  It would cover all three fossil fuels at their source: the mine or port of entry.  Consumers do not directly pay any tax, but the fee’s effect permeates everything from the price of fuel to the price of food (especially if it is imported from halfway around the world).

As a point of reference a fee equivalent to $1/gallon of gasoline ($115/ton CO2) would yield $670B in the United States (based on energy use data for 2007).  That would provide a dividend of $3000/year to legal adult residents in the United States ($9000/year to a family with two or more children).

A person reducing his carbon footprint more than average would gain economically, if the fee is returned 100 percent to the public on a per capita basis.  With the present distributions of income and energy use, it is estimated that about 60 percent of the people would get a dividend exceeding their tax.  So why would they not just spend their dividend on expensive fuel?  Nobody wants to pay more taxes.  They prefer to have the money for other things.  As the price of fossil fuels continues to increase, people would conserve energy, choose more energy efficient vehicles, and choose non-fossil (untaxed) energies and products.

Hey, does anybody know a great communicator, who might level with the public, explain what is needed to break our addiction to fossil fuels, to gain energy independence, to assure a future for young people?  Who would explain what is really needed, rather than hide behind future “goals” and a gimmick “cap”?  Naw.  Roosevelt and Churchill are dead.  So is Kennedy.

Jim

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Just remember this Blacken when the Snakeoil Salesman in Chief tries pushing this traitorous POFS legislation on us.