Palumbo diet question

[brock125]

I'm going to start Dave's keto diet and was curious if anybody with experience with the diet can answer this. In the diet he has 3 shakes all 54 g whey isolate and 1.5 tbs of natural peanut butter. Would it be ok to replace the peanut butter with a tbs of macadamia nut oil? The fat content is about the same minus the trace carbs in the peanut butter.

[dyslexic]

Yes. You can replace any unsaturated fat with another. I don't know if I would call the carbs in PB "trace" carbs. Granted they are less than half the fat content, but they are equal to or above the protein content.


The Keto diet should only be an experimental thing. I would not advise staying on it for any lengthy period of time. If you are diabetic, then you should just simply learn about the glycemic index and the various types of carbohydrates.


Daves diet works in conjunction with IGF-1, GH, Test and many other assorted assistants...


For a natty, or even slightly juiced BB, the gains you make are minimal to none. The stress of your body constantly trying to manufacture glycogen from protein is a huge stressor. It also drains the CNS. Your workouts will also suffer (for many reasons)


Of course, this is only my opinion based on my personal results and functionality.


There is an equal amount of scientific "proof" showing that the body does not need carbohydrate for any functions, yet the proof will still involve the discussion of glycogen...

The other science is in the addition of carbs to a diet and the important role they play in proper bodily functions.


This is why I say "try it out" and then see for yourself. It feels much better to have carbs in your diet-- If I am not mistaken, Dave advocates a couple of cheat days (or cheat meals??) in the week. These cheat days will most definitely include carbs.


Have at it. Do your research.

[brock125]

Thanks for the feedback appreciate it. I'm planning on starting it when I decide to cut. Dave said on his site that his diet can be used as a lifestyle diet and you can stay on for as long as you like as long as you get that cheat meal in once a week.

[NaturalWonder83]

i would have some peanut butter shakes or have some whole food in place of the shakes...the whole foods and pb stays w me longer and i dont get so hungry...

[dyslexic]

Dave said on his site that his diet can be used as a lifestyle diet and you can stay on for as long as you like as long as you get that cheat meal in once a week.

This is exactly why I said "do your research"-- Dave doesn't know everything.


Mitch Sitnick from the University of California, Davis; just found some interesting facts about muscle hypertrophy with the High Fat diet. Basically the study shows that the capacity for muscular hypertrophy is reduced on the High Fat diet. You can find this study in the Journal of Physiology--October 2009.

The Journal of Exercise Physiologyonline, October 5, 2009 states that Whey protein does not increase Muscle mass exclusively the way Dave advocates on his site.

The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition also did a study on Omega 3's (which Dave also advocates) that shows an increase in the risk of Type 2 diabetes.

There was another study recently done that showed the Keto diet causes a weaking of the arterial walls over time. Sorry, I don't have the references.

I just like to read, experiment, and then make my own decisions.


Do your research and don't believe everything you hear.


BTW, Dave is an extremely intelligent human being and I love his site. Hopefully you get the point I am trying to make here.

Good luck.

[brock125]

Thanks dyslexic I get your point. Some interesting points you bring up I will have to research some more.

[dyslexic]

I would also like to ad that the Keto diet does have its positive sides also. It is currently being studies by the AMA for its possible ability to alleviate some forms of epilepsy in young children. Nothing is conclusive at this point in time.


The state of ketosis is to the most part controlled by insulin, glucagon, and blood glucose levels. Insulin is one of the hormones that the pancreas secretes in the presence of carbohydrates. Insulin's purpose is to keep blood glucose levels in check by acting like a driver, pushing the glucose in the blood into cells. If insulin were not to be secreted blood glucose levels would get out of control and this would not be good for the body.

Glucagon on the other side of the spectrum is insulin's antagonistic hormone which is also secreted by the pancreas when insulin falls to quite low levels, this usually happens when a person skips meals, or does not consume adequate amounts of carbohydrates for an extended period of time. When this happens glucagon is secreted by the pancreas to break down stored glycogen in the liver into a more usable form, glucose. But what happens if this continues and liver glycogen runs out? This is where the metabolic state of ketosis comes in, because the pancreas can also start breaking down free fatty acids into a usable energy substrate, also known as ketones, or ketone bodies.


The pancreas can break down free fatty acids into ketones, but if protein is high (as it should be) the body will go for gluconogenisis and convert protein to glucose instead.


Keep your protein levels high and watch out for "Ketoacidosis"

[tbombz]

"Ketoacidosis"

lol, only possible for an insulin dependant diabetic.

[dyslexic]

lol, only possible for an insulin dependant diabetic.

My point T-man... if you read into the posts as deeply as I had hoped.


Surely you know one of the main side effects of GH/IGF-1 usage... I know you do.


Yes, there is a big difference between Ketosis and Ketoacidosis, but isn't Ketoacidosis basically a form of "severe" ketosis?


If someone on a zero carb diet was also using GH for an extended time- I would have to wonder if one couldn't evolve into the other? One of the main side effects of unnecessary exogenous use of GH?


Recent question posed: "Studies are showing that excess levels of HGH can cause some pretty serious health problems. Human Growth Hormone effects many areas of the body which includes effecting the maintenance and function of pancreatic islets. So does this mean that everyone who has used HGH will develop diabetes?"


I would say no if exogenous use was necessary to fill a hormonal void, but what about the excess use in healthy GH producing individuals?



It could be a stretch. I could be off. But my mind has a tendency to wander...

[tbombz]

isn't Ketoacidosis basically a form of "severe" ketosis?

no, ketoacidosis is something totally different."ketosis" just refers to a state where the brain is utilizing some ketones for energy. ketoacidosis refers to a hyperglycemic hyper ketone state which can lead to death, and is caused by insufficient insulin and/or excessive glucose in a diabetic. In "ketosis, blood glucose remains very low, the bodies PH level is unchanged, and you remain hydrated. in ketoacidosis, you have simultaneous high blood sugar and high ketone levels, dehydration, and your PH becomes acidic. 




Recent question posed: "Studies are showing that excess levels of HGH can cause some pretty serious health problems. Human Growth Hormone effects many areas of the body which includes effecting the maintenance and function of pancreatic islets. So does this mean that everyone who has used HGH will develop diabetes?"



Growth hormone has been shown to create a short term insulin resistance. as this is a direct action of gh. however, the long term effects of GH actually improve insulin sensitivty through decreased bodyfat, increased muscle mass, and increased nutrient partitioning

[dyslexic]

Always some opposition somewhere...


"Along with the good comes the bad. Here are some possible negative side effects of HGH when administered at higher doses: pituitary tumors, thickening of bones in the jaw, toes and finger known as acromegaly which in turn causes problems of it’s own, muscle weakness, INSULIN RESISTANCE, TYPE 2 DIABETES, enlarging of the heart, and reduced sexual function. Those are some pretty serious negative side effects caused by HGH."


I suppose (as with anything BB related) genetics will play a huge role in this determination.

[tbombz]

thats someones partially informed opinion based on false premesis'... totally untrue

[dyslexic]

It's not the first time I've read it.


I'll take your word for it. It's not like I will be using GH anytime soon. I think the acromegaly shit is fairly correct judging from the Dillet and Clairmont type faces weve seen.

[tbombz]

It's not the first time I've read it.


I'll take your word for it. It's not like I will be using GH anytime soon. I think the acromegaly shit is fairly correct judging from the Dillet and Clairmont type faces weve seen.

gh changes facial bone structure, truth. never seen any science on that, but theres just a huge amount of anecdotal evidence for it.

as far as the gh gut and enlarged elbows and that kind of uglyness, not really sure if its the GH or what.

[dyslexic]

Seems like the distended bellies are still a topic for huge debate (no pun intended) 

[Princess L]

I would also like to ad that the Keto diet does have its positive sides also. It is currently being studied by the AMA for its possible ability to alleviate some forms of epilepsy in young children. Nothing is conclusive at this point in time.

Currently    Really?

I thought the connection was relatively well known now for quite some time.

[dyslexic]

Currently    Really?

I thought the connection was relatively well known now for quite some time.

Yeah, they have been studying for a time..  but they also continue to stay current as new information is discovered. Just like in anything else. Thanks so much for your earth-shattering observations.



Kossoff EH, Zupec-Kania BA, Rho JM. Ketogenic diets: an update for child neurologists. J Child Neurol. 2009 Aug;24(:979–88.

International Ketogenic Diet Study Group. Epilepsia. 2009 Feb;50(2):304–17

Rho JM. Ketogenic diets: evidence for short- and long-term efficacy. Neurotherapeutics. 2009 Apr;6(2):406–14

Global Symposium on Dietary Treatments for Epilepsy & Other Neurological Disorders 2010
Global Symposium on the Dietary Treatments for Epilepsy and Other Neurological Disorders for Professionals - October 6-8, 2010. The Sheraton Hotel, Edinburgh, UK & hosted by Matthews Friends

There are more, but I think you got my point, while I easily missed yours...

[Moen]

They have been using it for epilepsy at least 50y