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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2008, 07:10:21 PM »

Trapz is doing the old skeptic two-step dance...again!!

First, you claimed that Nazareth didn't exist AT ALL!!

Then, you declared that Nazareth didn't exist until 3rd century A.D (on another thread).

Now, linking this site, you're asserting that Narazeth may have existed as early as 70 - 100 A.D. (less than 40 to 70 years after Jesus' reported death and resurrection).

STOP!!! HAMMER TIME!!!!

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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2008, 08:13:51 PM »
Trapz is doing the old skeptic two-step dance...again!!

First, you claimed that Nazareth didn't exist AT ALL!!

Then, you declared that Nazareth didn't exist until 3rd century A.D (on another thread).

Now, linking this site, you're asserting that Narazeth may have existed as early as 70 - 100 A.D. (less than 40 to 70 years after Jesus' reported death and resurrection).

STOP!!! HAMMER TIME!!!!

You are twisting my words. Myposition is that it did not exist until the third century.
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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2008, 08:16:52 PM »
You are twisting my words. Myposition is that it did not exist until the third century.

But, YOU ARE THE ONE, who brought up this "nazarethmyth" link, referring to it as a "great site". And, you made no disclaimer that you disagree with any of the information there, which would have been helpful in your case, considering that the opening page claims that evidence for Nazareth dates as early as 70 A.D.

I repeat: STOP!!! HAMMER TIME!!!

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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2008, 08:20:12 PM »
But, YOU ARE THE ONE, who brought up this "nazarethmyth" link, referring to it as a "great site". And, you made no disclaimer that you disagree with any of the information here, which would have been helpful in your case, considering that the opening page claims that evidence for Nazareth dates as early as 70 A.D.

I repeat: STOP!!! HAMMER TIME!!!

OK, El Fundo, I do not agree with all assertions on that site.  ::)

You do realise the only reason you believe this crap is because it was browbeaten into you? Much as you are doing it to your daughter. I think Dawkins has it right when he calls it child abuse.
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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2008, 08:48:52 PM »
OK, El Fundo, I do not agree with all assertions on that site.  ::)

You do realise the only reason you believe this crap is because it was browbeaten into you? Much as you are doing it to your daughter. I think Dawkins has it right when he calls it child abuse.



The simple fact is, regardless of whether or not I "believe this crap", YOU are the one, who claimed that Nazareth didn't exist....then you flip-flopped and stated that it didn't exist until 3rd century.

Now, you screwed up royally, recommending that people look at this "GREAT SITE ON THE INVENTED TOWN OF NAZARETH", in which the opening page starts with the author declaring archaeological evidence for Nazareth that dates 70-100 A.D.

BTW - It wasn't that long ago, that you were blubbering about my not looking at the "archaeological evidence" that you provide via these links, that supposedly shows my Christian faith and the God in which I believe to be a fraud. Now, you're whining about the fact that I did, pointing out that what you've presented just chop-blocked your previous claims about Nazareth.

Why I believe what I believe has no bearing on your continuing to wedge those metatarsals in your mouth (would you like some Grey Poupon?), by posting a thread, linking information, which demolishes the very point you were trying to prove, regarding Nazareth.

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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2008, 08:56:45 PM »


The simple fact is, regardless of whether or not I "believe this crap", YOU are the one, who claimed that Nazareth didn't exist....then you flip-flopped and stated that it didn't exist until 3rd century.

Now, you screwed up royally, recommending that people look at this "GREAT SITE ON THE INVENTED TOWN OF NAZARETH", in which the opening page starts with the author declaring archaeological evidence for Nazareth that dates 70-100 A.D.

BTW - It wasn't that long ago, that you were blubbering about my not looking at the "archaeological evidence" that you provide via these links, that supposedly shows my Christian faith and the God in which I believe to be a fraud. Now, you're whining about the fact that I did, pointing out that what you've presented just chop-blocked your previous claims about Nazareth.

Why I believe what I believe has no bearing on your continuing to wedge those metatarsals in your mouth (would you like some Grey Poupon?), by posting a thread, linking information, which demolishes the very point you were trying to prove, regarding Nazareth.

You are right; I said it did not exist until the 3rd century and that it did not exist at the time the story of godman in a loincloth is supposed to have taken place.
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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2008, 09:02:44 PM »
You are right; I said it did not exist until the 3rd century and that it did not exist at the time the story of godman in a loincloth is supposed to have taken place.

Then what, O Trapezkerl, do you find to be so "great" about this site, that presents archaeological evidence, which the author is dating as being, not only EARLIER than 3rd century A.D., but less than 40-70 years after Jesus' reported death and Resurrection?

If Nazareth didn't exist until 3rd century A.D., then obviously it didn't exist in 1st century A.D. That is the very reason that your position looks rather silly, when you reference a website (calling it "GREAT") that shows evidence of Nazareth's existence, dating late 1st/early 2nd-century A.D. on its OPENING PAGE!!!


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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #8 on: January 27, 2008, 11:35:39 AM »
As I asked elsewhere, has the "Minimalist" seen this thread, with this site you've linked (and, by the way, why is this site so "great", again)?


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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #9 on: January 27, 2008, 05:38:37 PM »
As I asked elsewhere, has the "Minimalist" seen this thread, with this site you've linked (and, by the way, why is this site so "great", again)?



The Minimalist first introduced me to the site. If you want to meet him personally we welcome all at Koko Cheers Bar...


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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #10 on: January 27, 2008, 08:31:40 PM »
The Minimalist first introduced me to the site. If you want to meet him personally we welcome all at Koko Cheers Bar...


http://captporridge.com/bb/index.php?board=14.0

So, this Minimalist guy linked you to a site, which gives archaeological data for the existence of Nazareth dating 70-100 A.D., and you actually used it to back your previous statements?

It appears you guys had a little mix-up. Again, I ask, what makes this site so "great", Trapezkerl?

BTW, if Minimalist has something to say to me, he can come to GetBig and say it, or I'll go to his site. I'm not that hard to find.

You can also tell him that I've already been to "Jesusneverexisted.com", and after a chuckle or two, I found very little besides the usual skeptic stuff, that I've discussed and refuted on multiple occasions. And, if he happens to have that treference to the copy of Josephus' Antiquties, without the Testiomium in chapter 18 OR the reference to Jesus in Chapter 20, we're all waiting to see it.


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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 05:55:27 AM »
Just out of curiosity, how does archaeological accuracy provide enough evidence or proof of the Judeo-Christian God's existence. 

This is simplistic, but let's say for example, I write a lovely story about traveling to Paris, France and meeting a man at the Notre Dame Cathedral; a man who subsequently reveals himself to me as Jesus.  We have a nice conversation, he gives me some advice for living better, we have a quick espresso at a cafe around the corner, and then he disappears. Three hundred years later, my story is discovered. Everyone knows that at the time of my writing there was a Paris, France, as well as a Notre Dame Cathedral. These are verifiable facts.  Does it also follow then, that I must have really had a conversation with Jesus since I accurately described landmarks?

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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 09:55:29 AM »
Just out of curiosity, how does archaeological accuracy provide enough evidence or proof of the Judeo-Christian God's existence. 

This is simplistic, but let's say for example, I write a lovely story about traveling to Paris, France and meeting a man at the Notre Dame Cathedral; a man who subsequently reveals himself to me as Jesus.  We have a nice conversation, he gives me some advice for living better, we have a quick espresso at a cafe around the corner, and then he disappears. Three hundred years later, my story is discovered. Everyone knows that at the time of my writing there was a Paris, France, as well as a Notre Dame Cathedral. These are verifiable facts.  Does it also follow then, that I must have really had a conversation with Jesus since I accurately described landmarks?

Point taken. The landmarks, if you will, would be a start. Of course, if you were to describe some major events, regarding the future of the world (say emerging empire, reigining kings, divisions of kingdoms, etc.) in your accounts and, 300 years later, the events you detailed come to fruition, I'd say that would make your story quite credible.


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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #13 on: December 22, 2009, 06:35:31 AM »
House uncovered in Nazareth dating to the time of Jesus

December 21, 2009

Jerusalem (CNN) -- Archaeologists in Israel say they have discovered the remains of a home from the time of Jesus in the heart of Nazareth.

The Israeli Antiquities Authority said the find "sheds light on the way of life at the time of Jesus" in the Jewish settlement of Nazareth, where Christians believe Jesus grew up.

The find marks the first time researchers have uncovered the remains of a home in Nazareth from that time period, the Israeli Antiquities Authority said in a statement.

"The building that we found is small and modest and it is most likely typical of the dwellings in Nazareth in that period," Yardenna Alexandre, excavation director for the authority, said in the statement.

"Until now a number of tombs from the time of Jesus were found in Nazareth; however, no settlement remains have been discovered that are attributed to this period."

Christians believe that Mary, the mother of Jesus, lived in Nazareth with her husband, Joseph. They believe Mary was in Nazareth when the angel Gabriel revealed that Mary would give birth to the son of God, a baby to be named Jesus.

A number of burial caves that date to the early Roman period also were discovered close to the inhabited area during the excavations, the authority said.

The discovery was made in the modern city of Nazareth during an excavation in advance of construction of the International Marian Center of Nazareth, which will illustrate the life of Mary.

An association in Nazareth plans to conserve and display the home's remains in the center. It will be built next to the Church of the Annunciation, which stands on the spot where Catholics believe Mary once lived.

The Church of the Annunciation is in the heart of Nazareth, above an older church and atop the ruins of a church from the Byzantine period.

In the middle of these churches is a cave that was believed in antiquity to be the home of Jesus' family. Researchers found storage pits and cisterns in the compound of the Church of the Annunciation, many of which date to the time of Jesus, Israeli archaeologists said.

In the excavation, a large, broad wall that dates to the 15th century was exposed. It was constructed on top of and used the walls of an ancient building, the statement said.

This earlier building -- the one that dates to the time of Jesus -- consisted of two rooms and a courtyard in which a rock-hewn cistern collected rainwater. Few artifacts were recovered from inside the building -- mostly fragments of pottery vessels from the first and second centuries.

Also, researchers found several fragments of chalk vessels, which were used by Jews in this period because such vessels were not susceptible to becoming ritually unclean, researchers said.

Another hewn pit, whose entrance was apparently camouflaged, was excavated and a few pottery fragments from the early Roman period were found inside it.

"Based on other excavations that I conducted in other villages in the region, this pit was probably hewn as part of the preparations by the Jews to protect themselves during the great revolt against the Romans in [A.D.] 67," Alexandre said.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/12/21/nazareth.home/index.html

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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #14 on: December 22, 2009, 07:36:18 AM »
You dredge up this old thread, Loco!!

Have you no heart? Now, those cracked-in-the-skull "Jesus Mythers" will have to break out the Grey Poupon and dine on them toes.......AGAIN!!!

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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #15 on: December 22, 2009, 09:16:20 AM »
You dredge up this old thread, Loco!!

Have you no heart? Now, those cracked-in-the-skull "Jesus Mythers" will have to break out the Grey Poupon and dine on them toes.......AGAIN!!!

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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #16 on: December 22, 2009, 06:08:02 PM »
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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #17 on: December 23, 2009, 12:57:21 AM »
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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2009, 04:58:05 AM »
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Re: Great Site on the Invented Town of Nazareth...
« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2009, 06:22:55 AM »
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