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Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« on: December 19, 2009, 12:30:33 AM »
i see threads saying Obama failed.  I see FOX news tonight with breaking news that something passed.  And Obama (CNN) announced a climate change deal.  Can someone explain what I missed today?  Thanks!  (I'm watching NBA instead of CNN, sorry...)




Copenhagen, Denmark (CNN) -- President Obama announced what he called a "meaningful and unprecedented" climate change deal with China and other key nations that was expected to be sealed before the president headed home from the Copenhagen summit late Friday.

"For the first time in history, all major economies have come together to accept their responsibility to take action to confront the threat of climate change," Obama told reporters.

The president said he met with leaders from India, China, Brazil and South Africa, and "that's where we agreed ... to set a mitigation target to limit warming to no more than 2 degrees Celsius."

It's a nonbinding goal, and the emissions targets "will not be by themselves sufficient to get to where we need to get by 2050," Obama said. However, he added that it is a first step, and that for many countries "this is going to be the first time in which even voluntary they offered up mitigation targets."

"I think that it was important to essentially get that shift in orientation moving," Obama said.



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The president said he believes it's necessary that the countries get to a legally binding treaty, but said, "If we just waited for that, we would not make any progress."

Earlier, a senior Obama administration official said, "No country is entirely satisfied with each element but this is a meaningful and historic step forward and a foundation from which to make further progress. We thank the emerging economies for their voluntary actions and especially appreciate the work and leadership of the Europeans in this effort."

Critics of the U.N. Climate Change Conference have said that without specific commitments from the leaders to actually cut carbon emissions it would be difficult to reach any target.

The deal calls on nations to submit their "concrete commitments" into an appendix attached to the agreement to specifically lay out each country's intentions for climate change, Obama said. Those commitments will be subjected to an international "consultation and analysis" that will help foster accountability among the nations.

"It will not be legally binding, but what it will do is allow for each country to show to the world what they're doing," Obama said, "and there will be a sense on the part of each country that we're in this together, and we'll know who is meeting and who is not meeting, the mutual obligations that have been set forth."

Another senior administration official had said the precise details of the agreement were still in some flux, so it was unclear whether the final version would include language that was in earlier drafts aimed at forcing nations to set legally binding targets for reducing emissions.

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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2009, 12:40:02 AM »
what are you doing up so late?

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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2009, 01:01:47 AM »
"what are you doing up so late?"

As a shit-eatin lib, I go by Copenhagen time.

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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2009, 06:19:39 AM »
Who is to say? They got an agreement, ...but what good is it if it is not legally binding?
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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2009, 06:26:41 AM »
Who is to say? They got an agreement, ...but what good is it if it is not legally binding?

Its a failure as usual. 

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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2009, 06:57:35 AM »
Obama and his Chinese counterparts refused to do anything major.

So, depending on who you ask, it was a failure.

Those who claim there is no climate change, or that it is man made probably think Obama did just fine. :-\

But sure, I am disappointed in the outcome.
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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2009, 07:02:24 AM »
Obama and his Chinese counterparts refused to do anything major.

So, depending on who you ask, it was a failure.

Those who claim there is no climate change, or that it is man made probably think Obama did just fine. :-\

But sure, I am disappointed in the outcome.

Why - because we are not committing to national economic suicide for the cult of Al Gore? 

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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2009, 07:10:05 AM »
Why - because we are not committing to national economic suicide for the cult of Al Gore? 

Why would it be economic suicide?

Many countries has been implementing enviromental strategies since the early 90's - without it hurting their economy.

Eg BMW in Germany. "Green" regulation has probably been a factor in BMW producing some of the best diesel engines in the world.

Both efficient and powerful.

Let me ask you this: Why do you think BMW is doing better than GM?

And another thing - it's not the union. The car workers union in Germany is perhaps even more powerful than the American.

Although they may have a slightly different agenda.
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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2009, 07:12:24 AM »
Why would it be economic suicide?

Many countries has been implementing enviromental strategies since the early 90's - without it hurting their economy.

Eg BMW in Germany. "Green" regulation has probably been a factor in BMW producing some of the best diesel engines in the world.

Both efficient and powerful.

Let me ask you this: Why do you think BMW is doing better than GM?

And another thing - it's not the union. The car workers union in Germany is perhaps even more powerful than the American.

Although they may have a slightly different agenda.


BMW makes a good product thats why. 

GM, other than the corvette and pick up - sucks ass. 


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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2009, 07:40:56 AM »
nothing more than the usual from this administration...

political grandstanding, nothing will come of this b/c as jag mentioned there is no enforcement.

basically they all agreed something should be done but wouldnt commit to actually doing anything...but I guess to obama that is "meaningful and unprecedented"  ::)

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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #10 on: December 19, 2009, 08:43:14 AM »
As the local chicken little's ran around screaming wolf, we did not lose our sovereignty. 

But did we sign anything binding to our industry or economy?

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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #11 on: December 19, 2009, 09:00:41 AM »
at least Obama got the Olympics  ;D oh wait he failed there as well
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Re: Did Obama fail in Copenhagen?
« Reply #12 on: December 19, 2009, 09:27:39 AM »
at least Obama got the Olympics  ;D oh wait he failed there as well

What about unemployment?

Oh crap that too.   :D