The New York Times on IFBB, Pro bodybuilders & steroid

[just_a_pilgrim]

Yeh it was posted in another thread this Anthony Roberts guy is fucking stupid

[dan18]

Yeh it was posted in another thread this Anthony Roberts guy is fucking stupid

Why because hes being honest? hes right the ifbb doesnt test and they are to test by law if someone stepped in from the goverment and they did real testing,You would see 280 pound bb turn into 220 pound bb ifbb done......   

[Ex Coelis]

Why because hes being honest? hes right the ifbb doesnt test and they are to test by law if someone stepped in from the goverment and they did real testing,You would see 280 pound bb turn into 220 160 pound bb ifbb done......   

fixed

(reference Mustafa thread)

[just_a_pilgrim]

Why because hes being honest? hes right the ifbb doesnt test and they are to test by law if someone stepped in from the goverment and they did real testing,You would see 280 pound bb turn into 220 pound bb ifbb done......   

You would also see all the Olympic games times drop dramatically.

But my point was made in the other thread, he likes to attack certain things just to attack someone and get attention he doesn't even look at the issue properly.

[Topskin69]

This study is so flawed and skewed is not even funny.  Where is the other study to accompany it whwere they test 10 other people who have never touched steroids to see how many of them suffer the same consequences?  I gave much info to the writer, of course, she decided to omit most of it that raises more questions, and facts like a high protein diet, pain relievers, diet, etc arent even taken into consideration.

It's HYPERTENTION that causes stress to the kidneys, ultimately...that can be a result of weight gain, or a myriad of other reasons...not necessarily steroids. Not saying they may not contribute to the cause, but to try and link them DIRECTLY is disingenous.

Most probable, it's a combination of many factors that can contribute to kidney problems...the LEAST significant, is steroids.

Classic mainstream journalism...

*Sigh*

Chick... ALL steroids cause water retention to varying degrees, which in turn elevates blood pressure. All steroids also cause your blood lipid profiles to get out of whack...(More HDL...less LDL...with the exception of low doses of Turinabol).

This of course is not the ONLY cause...but it is the first and foremost problem. You carry around that much extra weight/water, you put your system under more stress. Yes... compound this with diuretics, painkiller abuse, (which is probably worse then steroids, but we cant assume every pro bodybuilder is abusing Advil...they are all however taking steroids beyond safe doses), and often times absurd amounts of protein...then you have a serious problem.

I'm not saying steroids are as evil as some would have us believe...but to say its the least of the evils, instead of the primary evil is silly.  

[Julio Ceasar]

First of all i weigh everything so i knew what i was eating.

When i was younger i ate around 350 a day.

Even at around 230-250 a day it was consistently 2.5-3 times normal.

Now i eat at least 5 clean meals (maybe a junk meal in there due to fast met.) and i would only eat around 25 grams of protein a meal. So all up with the crap maybe 150 a day.

Didn't notice any size change, bit leaner maybe but i always stay very lean. I felt a lot better, eating excess protein i was out of breath sometimes between meals and i would wonder why. It was due to eating too much to be digested so once i dropped it i felt better.

I have always been convinced that high protein diet is way overrated. I just feel sorry for the people who will become the victim of the supplement industry's fake marketing.

When will people learn...

[Topskin69]

I have always been convinced that high protein diet is way overrated. I just feel sorry for the people who will become the victim of the supplement industry's fake marketing.

When will people learn...

This is very true...while I think it probably differs from person to person... I think most bodybuilders eat WAY more protein then they really need.

[Pet shop boys]

This is very true...while I think it probably differs from person to person... I think most bodybuilders eat WAY more protein then they really need.

That has been said for years By guys like Ferrigno,Strydom,Nubret ..there was an article someone posted here a while back with quotes of pro BB telling it like it is.



WOOOOSSSSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[Chick]

*Sigh*

Chick... ALL steroids cause water retention to varying degrees, which in turn elevates blood pressure. All steroids also cause your blood lipid profiles to get out of whack...(More HDL...less LDL...with the exception of low doses of Turinabol).

This of course is not the ONLY cause...but it is the first and foremost problem. You carry around that much extra weight/water, you put your system under more stress. Yes... compound this with diuretics, painkiller abuse, (which is probably worse then steroids, but we cant assume every pro bodybuilder is abusing Advil...they are all however taking steroids beyond safe doses), and often times absurd amounts of protein...then you have a serious problem.

I'm not saying steroids are as evil as some would have us believe...but to say its the least of the evils, instead of the primary evil is silly.  

Point was...if you take ridiculous amounts of any of the things I listed, Steroids ARE the least of the problems...which is why you've heard of virtually 100% of th guys with problems, linked to the items I listed...diuretics, advil, nubain, high protein, etc

[just_a_pilgrim]

I have always been convinced that high protein diet is way overrated. I just feel sorry for the people who will become the victim of the supplement industry's fake marketing.

When will people learn...

In my first 2 years i made awesome strength and size gains (bit fat but after dieted down it was worth it), and while i ate protein i didn't really eat excessive amounts. Then i started eating a clean BBer diet and that's when i had problems.

Same with 'clean' carbs, there is only so much i can eat before i feel like shit. Sometimes i need to carb up for 1-2 meals in a row (excluding breakfast) but even then it's not that many carbs. I stick with fats, vegtables, small amount of carbs and protein. Then junk stay leaner feel much better

[oldtimer1]

Chick is right.  Steroids have little health consequences.  Kids that look up to Chick should learn where to buy syringes and vials from him.  He could coach them on dosages. 

This is  rationalization at it's finest.  Every steroid user sees themself as some kind of chemist/doctor because of the cocktail of crap they take.  Putting a syringe in your ass doesn't make you a doctor. 

When a user has to stop taking drugs due to health, finance or because of an arrest they suddenly look like crap after a couple of short months.   I have seen it time after time.   

There is no amount of logic you can use to convince a user that maybe bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health.  Even when stung by health complications they use rationalization to say non bodybuilders get these health problems also. 

[karu]

Chick,

A liar for an athlete rep - embarrassing.

The International Federation of Body Building and Fitness reserves the right to test for steroids and human growth hormone at the professional level, and testing is done on a random basis, said Bob Cicherillo, athlete representative for the federation, which is the main governing body for bodybuilding.

But several bodybuilders said the testing was nearly nonexistent, and Cicherillo said he could not provide specific figures on competitors who tested positive.

[Chick]

So where is the lie?

[emn1964]

So where is the lie?

when is the last time an athlete was randomly tested?  who was it and what was the outcome?

[karu]

you aren't very smart are you?

So where is the lie?

[emn1964]

when is the last time an athlete was randomly tested?  who was it and what was the outcome?

silence is deafening from chic

[tom joad]

silence is deafening from chic

maybe he's researching your answer?

[The ChemistV2]

Chick is right.  Steroids have little health consequences.  Kids that look up to Chick should learn where to buy syringes and vials from him.  He could coach them on dosages. 

This is  rationalization at it's finest.  Every steroid user sees themself as some kind of chemist/doctor because of the cocktail of crap they take.  Putting a syringe in your ass doesn't make you a doctor. 

When a user has to stop taking drugs due to health, finance or because of an arrest they suddenly look like crap after a couple of short months.   I have seen it time after time.   

There is no amount of logic you can use to convince a user that maybe bodybuilding drugs are a risk to health.  Even when stung by health complications they use rationalization to say non bodybuilders get these health problems also. 

Apparently, if someone chooses the Pro bodybuilder lifestyle, which neccesitates ingesting large quantities of steroids, they will always ignore any study or any common sense observation that shows huge doses of stuff like Trenbelone and other harsh androgens can stress the kidneys. They have too much psychologically invested to admit the truth to themselves. When they see several top guys from the 70's including Padilla, Corney, Coe, Arnold and many others that have had heart surgery, they will never admit steroids had anything to do with it. So, if you are objective and open minded, you see the link..If you're too invested in the lifestyle, you will look for all these nonsensical genetic reasons.