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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #50 on: January 26, 2009, 03:09:53 PM »
oh the irony of Vince saying this, since he was the one that wanted to push Warrior to the moon, oh, about 6 months after hiring him on.. ::)

I wouldn't go that far. According to Bruce Prichard (Brother Love), WWF put the still-Dingo Warrior on the 3rd card, which meant he got very little TV time. They saw him as a talent for the future. In fact, they were still struggling to find him a new name, because they didn't dig the "Dingo Warrior" moniker at all. His new name came virtually by accident. There were too many "Warriors" in wrestling at that time: The Road Warriors, Kerry Von Erich, the "Modern-Day Warrior", etc.

Per Prichard's words, "Vince wasn't too interested in having another 'warrior'. And, in describing what he saw in a character for Jim Helwig, he combined everything, saying 'He's so much more than the Road Warriors; he's more than the Modern-Day Warrior; he's...he's the ULTIMATE WARRIOR!!!!' And, Vince just stopped for a second, then said, 'That's it!!! He's the Ultimate Warrior'".


Vince knew damn well that to be a star at that time it wasn't about in ring ability or mic skills, it was about the persona, the charisma, the flare.

Warrior had it in spades and thats why he became so popular.

That he did. But he wasn't the only one. Compare Warrior to someone with whom he had one of his best feuds, "Macho King" Randy Savage.

He and Warrior were quite similar. But Savage had the better in-ring technique. Even Hulk Hogan, who isn't on the best of terms with Savage, was quite complementary about Savage on the "Self-Destruction....." DVD.

"Randy Savage is a detail freak. And Randy Savage made sure....or at least, the old Randy Savage that I knew during the heyday....that everything was impeccable. He stragetically mapped out every situation in the ring. So, the Warrior was in really good hands with Randy. That may have been one of his best storylines and feuds with Randy, because Randy made it easy on everybody."

McMahon thought the Ultimate Warrior had it in spades too, which is why he brought him back in 1996.


"I thought it was the right thing to do for our audience. He still had some juice; he still had 'it', in terms of charisma, still could sell tickets. A lot people kept asking me, 'Why did you keep bringing this nutcase back?' ".


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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #51 on: January 27, 2009, 09:00:37 AM »


The ladies loved Rick Rude's physique! That guy had an awesome gimmic.

They took down the video of Rude, beating up a human punching bag and giving a young lady the other "Rude Awakening".

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #52 on: January 27, 2009, 09:14:39 AM »


Wow, great video!

Triple H is the man!

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #53 on: January 27, 2009, 02:08:08 PM »
I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.

its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.

why?

Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.

chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.

if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."

the WWE got owned by warrior in court

lol



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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #54 on: January 27, 2009, 02:36:12 PM »
I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.

its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.

why?

Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.

chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.

if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."

the WWE got owned by warrior in court

lol


Helwig didn't develop the name, per se; remember that he was still known as the Dingo Warrior, when he arrived at WWE. And, they were going to ditch the name altogether.

Plus, it was McMahon who helped market the character and his employees (Jim Johnston, in particular), who came up with his now-famous theme music.

If Helwig made up the character and had the rights to the name from the start, he wouldn’t have had to change his name to “Warrior”, in the first place. That was his attempt to co-op the character without the WWE’s permission. If it were his from the beginning, he could have gone right to WCW, after he got fired again in 1992, as the Ultimate Warrior. Instead, he changed his name in 1993.

As I recall, the issue had more to do with his return in 1996. I think Warrior wanted, as part of the agreement, the eventual rights to the name and the promotion of his wrestling school, Warrior University, in Arizona. The reason McMahon claimed he fired Warrior then is because Warrior missed several dates where he was scheduled to appear, using his estranged father's death as an excuse.

Warrior claimed that McMahon was using his likeness and certain trademarks, while leaving him out of the equation (hence the reason for his no-show, combined with the issue regarding his father). McMahon claimed that, by not showing up where he was advertised, Warrior breached his contract. Therefore, McMahon didn't have to give him the rights to the "Ultimate Warrior" character.

As for being "owned", that's a bit of a stretch, especially when he went to WCW, only to last a few months, before being released as well.

"The Ultimate Warrior, in WCW, was out of control and uncontrolled; there was no supervision for him. At WWE, Vince called the shots; the agents that worked with him with promotions and one thing and the other, had him under control. So, on the one hand, you had this wild man at WCW, who has no direction. And on the other hand, you have this wild man in WWE who DOES have direction and who also had success." - "Mean" Gene Okerlund


"He thought he was going to make a fortune, when he got from under the WWE umbrella. That didn't happen. Hopefully, he looks back on his career and thinks, 'You know. Maybe these guys really helped me a lot more than I thought.' " - Vince McMahon


Warrior, last time I checked, was wrestling in some bush-league organziation in Spain.

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #55 on: January 27, 2009, 02:53:17 PM »
I do think that had Warrior not been so crazy, he could have done a lot more with his career than he did..

this guy connected with fans in a way that only a few others can claim to have done.

say what you will about his in ring ability, but the man was popular as hell for a good while and sold tickets..

the fans loved the character.
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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #56 on: January 27, 2009, 06:27:30 PM »
Rude was a class act. The Warrior was and is a world-class douche.

That said: You won't look this good when you're 49.


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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #57 on: January 27, 2009, 06:31:27 PM »
And when Triple H went on Bob's radio show, he said that Achim Albrecht, during his brief time in the wrestling business, was surprised to learn how overwhelmingly difficult it is to maintain a physique while being on the road as relentlessly as WWE workers are kept there.

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #58 on: January 28, 2009, 05:55:02 AM »
And when Triple H went on Bob's radio show, he said that Achim Albrecht, during his brief time in the wrestling business, was surprised to learn how overwhelmingly difficult it is to maintain a physique while being on the road as relentlessly as WWE workers are kept there.

Other bodybuilders have found that out the hard way, as well, namely Paul Dillett and Mat Duval. Both men tried their hand at professional wrestling (Dillett with WCW, Duval with TNA). But, the beatings became too much for them. So they called it a day.

Some guys don't seem to have a problem, size-wise. Glen Jacobs (Kane) stated on an interview that he tried to keep his weight DOWN, in order to move better in the ring. And, he's well over 300 lbs.

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #59 on: January 28, 2009, 08:15:08 AM »
Other bodybuilders have found that out the hard way, as well, namely Paul Dillett and Mat Duval. Both men tried their hand at professional wrestling (Dillett with WCW, Duval with TNA). But, the beatings became too much for them. So they called it a day.

Some guys don't seem to have a problem, size-wise. Glen Jacobs (Kane) stated on an interview that he tried to keep his weight DOWN, in order to move better in the ring. And, he's well over 300 lbs.

DOnt forget Aaron Baker as well and Ian Harrison

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #60 on: January 28, 2009, 09:35:23 PM »
I don't buy Prichard's story of how Vince came up with the Ultimate Warrior gimmick for a minute.

its pretty clear Jim Helwig (warrior) did.

why?

Because in a court of law, Warrior won the rights to the name, character and likeness.. - he beat the WWE in court.

chances are, he created the character and was apparently able to prove it.

if you notice on the Warrior DVD, the bottom of the screen at the end says 'Ultimate Warrior etc are trademarks of Ultimate Creations Inc."

the WWE got owned by warrior in court

lol






They also got pwnd by the original WWF(world wildlife Fund)

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #61 on: January 31, 2009, 04:00:27 PM »
DOnt forget Aaron Baker as well and Ian Harrison

I think Baker got a tryout with WCW, as well.

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2010, 06:37:57 PM »
I had to bring this one back up, since someone posted the Helmsley vs. Steiner RAW posedown.
 ;D

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #63 on: January 16, 2010, 06:42:41 PM »
I had to bring this one back up, since someone posted the Helmsley vs. Steiner RAW posedown.
 ;D

The YouTube one got deleted. But, I found it on DailyMotion:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x62lm5_ravishing-rick-rude-vs-ultimate-war_sport

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Re: Super Posedown, WWF style - "Ravishing" Rick Rude vs. Ultimate Warrior
« Reply #64 on: January 20, 2010, 03:25:25 PM »

They also got pwnd by the original WWF(world wildlife Fund)

Hahahah,that's right!! :)