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« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2010, 08:10:37 AM »
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I simply explained the fact that nowhere in the Bible is there any description or detail which could be translated as "The Rapture" in the way that Evangelical Christians understand it.

Wrong!!!

Read   1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up [G726 harpazo] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with
these words.

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The word rapture has always had a strictly metaphysical sense... but since the 1830s it has become linked to this invented notion of physical teleportation into heaven; hence this has now become one of it's meanings... but only since the 1830s, and the Bible was written long before that

Wrong again!!!

As I stated above: the Greek word "Harpazo means caught up, taken away. which is found in the Bible.

And your reference to it not being used in that context before 1830 is also wrong.  It has been found in writings as early as 373 AD from Ephrem the Syrian: "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." ." - Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD  ... revealing that the early church fathers themselves were indeed teaching this long before 1830





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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2010, 08:16:59 AM »
Wrong!!!

Read   1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up [G726 harpazo] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with
these words.

Wrong again!!!

...do you want me to explain this to you?

It has nothing to do with "The Rapture" as Christians understand it today... it is an example of Judaic apocalyptic writing.

That translation you posted is terrible by the way.



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« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2010, 08:22:49 AM »
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...do you want me to explain this to you?

It has nothing to do with "The Rapture" as Christians understand it today... it is an example of Judaic apocalyptic writing.

That translation you posted is terrible by the way.



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Yes, explain the difference in:

 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up [G726 harpazo] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with
these words.

And

 "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." ." - Ephrem the Syrian 373 AD  


to what "Christians understand today" ?



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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #28 on: February 13, 2010, 08:30:29 AM »
You are a gimmick, right? No one is wilflly this dumb... it's an attention thing, right?


The verse you quote does not contain the word "rapture" (or anything that could be translated as such, considering we are discussing translations).


This "Rapture" meme began in the 1800s when splintered American Protestant groups were vying for novelty when competing for donations/followers.

It is just another cancerous thought tumour produced by the syphilitic loins of Christian literalism: the mistaken application of the meaning of the word "rapture" to the physical world... far beyond it's metaphysical/emotional perview.

Prior to this (mistaken) misinterpretation of the word "rapture" by millenarian Christian fundamentalists (ie: prior to the 1800s)... prior to this, the word "rapture" had only a metaphysical context.


You could capture a physical object, but you rapture or enrapture the soul/spirit/feelings/emotions.

So, I (my physical being) might be "caught up" or "captured" (in a physical spacial sense) by either a physical force/event/person or an immaterial non-physical force/event/emotion.

But if I am "raptured or enraptured" then it is only my metaphysical component (my thoughts/emotions/spirit) which are transported or "caught up", and this non-physical/metaphysical component can similarly be "caught up" by either a physical force/event/person or an immaterial non-physical force/event/emotion.


But generally speaking, capture is used when something physical is caught up by someting either physical or non-physical... and rapture or enrapture is used when something non-physical or metaphysical is caught up by something similarly non-physical or immaterial.

This is the convetion by which the word was used from 800ish AD till 1800ish AD.  


"Rapture" has only taken on the mistaken meaning of PHYSICAL transportation since large groups of misinformed Christians came to think it had a physical connotation.


If you want me to explain what that verse from Thessoloians actually means... in the context of the worldview espoused by the early Christian writers, I can certainly explain that.


But one thing is sure... "Rapture" in the sense that Evangelical (American) Christians understand it: DOES NOT DERIVE FROM THE BIBLE.

Neither the New Testament nor the Old Testament either detail or prophesise any such event.

Like most of Christianity, it is a product of the delusions of those incapable of comprehending metaphor.


Sorry.
But this is akin to claiming a "light-year" is AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN a measure of time... just because a large contingent of the misinformed mistakenly believe it to be.  Then using this "new" ignorance-derived definition to validate the prophetic rantings of L Ron Hubbard.


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You have wasted precious board space with this IDIOTIC account you gave here that means nothing. First off why would I even bother addressing anything BIBLICAL with an obvious ATHEIST (heathen). Your talks are long winded and empty to say the least. You can NOT argue with THE WORD and certainly not with GOD. The verse is plain and simple without confusion. I have shown you from Biblical verse and dictionary meaning that the EVENT of transporting people from earth to the air with Christ is called a RAPTURE (using modern terms/words). No one is arguing whether or not the word rapture appears in the Bible, that is not what is being addressed. What is being addressed is the EVENT known as a rapture (transporting of a person from earth to sky WILL OCCUR) and is addressed in Thessalonians.

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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #29 on: February 13, 2010, 08:34:54 AM »
...do you want me to explain this to you?

It has nothing to do with "The Rapture" as Christians understand it today... it is an example of Judaic apocalyptic writing.

That translation you posted is terrible by the way.



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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #30 on: February 13, 2010, 08:42:44 AM »
Theres a lot of love in this thread  8)

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« Reply #31 on: February 13, 2010, 08:44:02 AM »
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Theres a lot of love in this thread  Cool

No, it is just "the luke" making a fool of himself.

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« Reply #32 on: February 13, 2010, 08:54:53 AM »
No, it is just "the luke" making a fool ASS of himself.

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« Reply #33 on: February 13, 2010, 08:56:17 AM »
You can NOT argue with THE WORD and certainly not with GOD.


Why not?

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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #34 on: February 13, 2010, 08:56:50 AM »
ZIONIST is more appropriate..
I am also pro Israel's right to exist but it does not mean I support every thing.
I really believe they have very limited options both politically and in the war they are fighting.
In South Africa when there was apartheid the whole world had something to say.
Now the shoe is on the other foot and countries like Zimbabwe, Namibia and South Africa are racist to whites no one says a word.
It is all about political correctness and some people would rather suffer and die than be politically incorrect.

If the shoe landed on the other foot in the middle east the whole world would just turn a blind eye and the Israeli's know it.
The world is fickle and unfair

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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #35 on: February 13, 2010, 09:25:19 AM »
rapture

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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #36 on: February 13, 2010, 09:28:21 AM »
Still waiting................. ........................ ......

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...do you want me to explain this to you?

It has nothing to do with "The Rapture" as Christians understand it today... it is an example of Judaic apocalyptic writing.

That translation you posted is terrible by the way.



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Yes, explain the difference in:

 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
    For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up [G726 harpazo] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with
these words.

And

 "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins." ." - Ephrem the Syrian, 373 AD  


to what "Christians understand today" ?

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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #37 on: February 13, 2010, 09:34:03 AM »
I think you just don't understand what the writers meant... They were writing in the context of first century Judaic belief, their work is now being read and interpreted thousands of years later without such context.

Thessalonians 4:15-18
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

...this is an assertion (on God's authority) that those who survive (alive) till the actual Judgement Day don't get into heaven first, so you don't have to worry about dying before the actual (assumedly imminent) Final Judgement.
(Remember, Christinity was originally a millenarian apocalypse cult... real "End is Nigh" shit)


For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

...the actual arrival of God the Creator on Earth would have a very specific meaning to contemporary readers that is lost today. God's arrival means an immediate end to death. Everyone on Earth is immediately rendered immortal by the presence of God, after all, this is the end of the Earth.

But those faithful who died a mortal death prior to the Jugement Day (presumably believed to be the 1400ish year Moon/Venus/Sun cycle synchronisation congruent with a heliacal rising of Mercury which was coming in 70 AD), would be bodily resurrected in order to be counted among the living (now immortal) witness to God's triumphal return.

The "Voice of the Archangel" and the "Trump of God" are presumably some sort of astrological signs/convergences lost in the translation. Probably just thunder and lightning.

  
then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up [G726 harpazo] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:

...those who have either survived till the Judgement Day (presuming only the faithful survive the tribulations) or been resurrected bodily through their faith, are then lifted up into the Heavens (remember, the clouds and Heaven are the same place... only in modern times has Christianity morphed Heaven into some sort of otherworldly paradise... two thousand years ago, Heaven meant the actual clouds in the actual sky where the actual shouty Thunder God who brought the rain lived. )

In this version (not all the New Testament references to the End Times agree about this) there are no other (non-believer) survivors. Just the faithful who will survive the pre-Judgment Day tribulations and those true believers already dead who will be brought back to life so everyone gets into Heaven (the clouds) at the same time... no miserable masses waiting in the dank shadows of Hades till the Last Day.

"Them in the Clouds" means either the four Cardinal Seraphim; the Host of Angels; or the twelve Zodiac Gods... most probably it means the both the angels and more specifically the Cardinal Serphim as they were closely associated with the cardinal winds (which move the clouds). It's... eh... Michael... Gabriel... Uriel... can't remember them now.
 

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

...this means exactly what it says.

If you're good and faithful, you get to either:
-become immortal on the Last Day then be lifted bodily into the clouds where the shouty Thunder God lives
-die faithful, be bodily resurrected on the Last Day. Then become immortal, and be lifted into the clouds.

Remember, those reading this two thousand years ago understood this to mean they would be physically whole (healthy) living (yet immortal) flesh and blood human beings... living actual normal (albeit immortal) lives living; sleeping; working; farming; eating and pooping in the sky forever more. That's why both Christians and Jews continued to keep and inter with them severed fingers, amputated limbs, even lost teeth... so as to be made whole on the Judgement Day.

Only the Gnostics had a concept of the soul (the "Divine Twin") as we understand it today... early Christians expected both bodily resurrection and an eternal continuation of THIS physical corporeal life... not what we think of today.

Just God (maybe Jesus); the angels; the faithful survivors of the tribulations and the resurrected faithfully departed... on a cloud... bored out of their fucking minds... for infinity.

 
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

...this is one of these "So why grieve?" refrains. This verse was probably intended to be read at funerals or deaths.




See... no people disappearing leaving the sinful heathens behind. Nothing like the "Left Behind" series.

"The Rapture" as Evangelical Christians understand it today is nothing more than the misinterpretation of misunderstood and poorly translated writings by the impulsively literalist and deluded.  



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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
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« Reply #39 on: February 13, 2010, 09:58:43 AM »
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think you just don't understand what the writers meant... They were writing in the context of first century Judaic belief, their work is now being read and interpreted thousands of years later without such context.


Thessalonians 4:15-18
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

...this is an assertion (on God's authority) that those who survive (alive) till the actual Judgement Day don't get into heaven first, so you don't have to worry about dying before the actual (assumedly imminent) Final Judgement.
(Remember, Christinity was originally a millenarian apocalypse cult... real "End is Nigh" shit)


For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

...the actual arrival of God the Creator on Earth would have a very specific meaning to contemporary readers that is lost today. God's arrival means an immediate end to death. Everyone on Earth is immediately rendered immortal by the presence of God, after all, this is the end of the Earth.

But those faithful who died a mortal death prior to the Jugement Day (presumably believed to be the 1400ish year Moon/Venus/Sun cycle synchronisation congruent with a heliacal rising of Mercury which was coming in 70 AD), would be bodily resurrected in order to be counted among the living (now immortal) witness to God's triumphal return.

The "Voice of the Archangel" and the "Trump of God" are presumably some sort of astrological signs/convergences lost in the translation. Probably just thunder and lightning.

  
then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up [G726 harpazo] together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air:

...those who have either survived till the Judgement Day (presuming only the faithful survive the tribulations) or been resurrected bodily through their faith, are then lifted up into the Heavens (remember, the clouds and Heaven are the same place... only in modern times has Christianity morphed Heaven into some sort of otherworldly paradise... two thousand years ago, Heaven meant the actual clouds in the actual sky where the actual shouty Thunder God who brought the rain lived. )

In this version (not all the New Testament references to the End Times agree about this) there are no other (non-believer) survivors. Just the faithful who will survive the pre-Judgment Day tribulations and those true believers already dead who will be brought back to life so everyone gets into Heaven (the clouds) at the same time... no miserable masses waiting in the dank shadows of Hades till the Last Day.

"Them in the Clouds" means either the four Cardinal Seraphim; the Host of Angels; or the twelve Zodiac Gods... most probably it means the both the angels and more specifically the Cardinal Serphim as they were closely associated with the cardinal winds (which move the clouds). It's... eh... Michael... Gabriel... Uriel... can't remember them now.
 

and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

...this means exactly what it says.

If you're good and faithful, you get to either:
-become immortal on the Last Day then be lifted bodily into the clouds where the shouty Thunder God lives
-die faithful, be bodily resurrected on the Last Day. Then become immortal, and be lifted into the clouds.

Remember, those reading this two thousand years ago understood this to mean they would be physically whole (healthy) living (yet immortal) flesh and blood human beings... living actual normal (albeit immortal) lives living; sleeping; working; farming; eating and pooping in the sky forever more. That's why both Christians and Jews continued to keep and inter with them severed fingers, amputated limbs, even lost teeth... so as to be made whole on the Judgement Day.

Only the Gnostics had a concept of the soul (the "Divine Twin") as we understand it today... early Christians expected both bodily resurrection and an eternal continuation of THIS physical corporeal life... not what we think of today.

Just God (maybe Jesus); the angels; the faithful survivors of the tribulations and the resurrected faithfully departed... on a cloud... bored out of their fucking minds... for infinity.

 
Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

...this is one of these "So why grieve?" refrains. This verse was probably intended to be read at funerals or deaths.




See... no people disappearing leaving the sinful heathens behind. Nothing like the "Left Behind" series.

"The Rapture" as Evangelical Christians understand it today is nothing more than the misinterpretation of misunderstood and poorly translated writings by the impulsively literalist and deluded.  




You are even dumber than I originally thought.

You wrote "The meaning changed in 1830" , and you are wrong, as I posted  words from Ephrem the Syrian, that was written in 373 AD , where he wrote the words "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins."

What is this tribulation ? When is the tribulation ? What does the word "Prior" mean ?









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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #40 on: February 13, 2010, 10:06:28 AM »
Arguing with The Luke is like arguing with TA. 

Why even bother? 

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« Reply #41 on: February 13, 2010, 10:09:23 AM »

Why not?

The fact that you would even ask this shows just how stupid you are...

But for joke sake please tell me

The distance of the Universe?

The weight of fire?

The number of apples in a seed?

Then I will answer your question of why?
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« Reply #42 on: February 13, 2010, 10:30:25 AM »
You wrote "The meaning changed in 1830"  and you are wrong, as I posted  words from Ephrem the Syrian, that was written in 373 AD , where he wrote the words "For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.

What is this tribulation ? When is the tribulation ? What does the word "Prior" mean ?


Yep, that's my point.

You can't really translate "caught up" in this context as raptured... as raptured is a metaphysical term that doesn't relate to physical things... and Ephrem here is refering to the actual physical lifting of the faithful's actual physical bodies into the actual physical clouds two miles above the Earth.

The word "Rapture" was mistakenly applied to this scenario around the time that Christians began to realise that the sky contained only clouds (1800s)... so they used "rapture" to denote some sort of metaphysical teleportation of the faithful to some sort alternate plane of existence.

That's just wrong... by definition, "rapture" has no physical connotation... and the early Christian writers ere definitely describing something physical.


The only people who believe "rapture" can be used in this way are those who have been influenced by this strangely Protestant delusion.


The Bible does not detail the physical teleportation of people's bodies to some alternate metaphysical realm (as Evangelicals understand it today) ... it details the physical lifting of people's immortalised physical bodies into the actual clouds where the Thunder God lives.


If you've flown in a plane, you've seen where the Bible writers thought god lived... if he wasn't there, they got it wrong. Simple as that.

The "Left Behind" series is NOT part of the Bible.



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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #43 on: February 13, 2010, 10:54:11 AM »

Yep, that's my point.

You can't really translate "caught up" in this context as raptured... as raptured is a metaphysical term that doesn't relate to physical things... and Ephrem here is refering to the actual physical lifting of the faithful's actual physical bodies into the actual physical clouds two miles above the Earth.

The word "Rapture" was mistakenly applied to this scenario around the time that Christians began to realise that the sky contained only clouds (1800s)... so they used "rapture" to denote some sort of metaphysical teleportation of the faithful to some sort alternate plane of existence.

That's just wrong... by definition, "rapture" has no physical connotation... and the early Christian writers ere definitely describing something physical.


The only people who believe "rapture" can be used in this way are those who have been influenced by this strangely Protestant delusion.


The Bible does not detail the physical teleportation of people's bodies to some alternate metaphysical realm (as Evangelicals understand it today) ... it details the physical lifting of people's immortalised physical bodies into the actual clouds where the Thunder God lives.


If you've flown in a plane, you've seen where the Bible writers thought god lived... if he wasn't there, they got it wrong. Simple as that.

The "Left Behind" series is NOT part of the Bible.



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I am always amazed at the LYING tongues that some people walk around with and use. Rather than going on endlessly with the LIE Luke it is wise to just shut up and end the matter. You remind me of a trifling woman who does not know her place and neither knows when to remain silent.

Your "I wanna have the last word" attitude is just furthering your ignorance... and just like the evangelist looking to hold a congregation captive (to keep the money flowing into the church) they continue to spew LIES, Falsehoods, Trickery and above all present themselves like they are the authority on a matter, just as you do. You present no facts, no references, NOTHING that supports these wild eyed claims you are making. I just used Thessalonians 4:16+17 to make my point about the "Calling Up" (rapture)...there are a lot more scriptures I can go into and present that further prove the transporting of people from earth to heaven (sky) upon the return of Jesus, but I will not waste my time or board space on that with you as you are an atheist anyway and a dis-info con artist.

The Bible for your edification is NOT a book to play with or twist words around. What you are effectively saying is the book is a LIE and there certainly is a penalty for such forward behavior. Like I said earlier..It is best you shut up now on the matter and concede your lack of knowledge, before you find yourself in a GOD made trap you can not get out of.
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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #44 on: February 13, 2010, 11:03:12 AM »
The fact that you would even ask this shows just how stupid you are...

But for joke sake please tell me

The distance of the Universe?

The weight of fire?

The number of apples in a seed?

Then I will answer your question of why?



Ooops...my bad.  I asked a zealot a question.  Oh the inhumanity of my sin.  Woe be unto me!    ::)



You remind me of a trifling woman who does not know her place and neither knows when to remain silent.


This is exactly why you and your ilk are a threat to modern society.

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« Reply #45 on: February 14, 2010, 05:52:52 AM »
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Yep, that's my point.

You can't really translate "caught up" in this context as raptured... as raptured is a metaphysical term that doesn't relate to physical things... and Ephrem here is refering to the actual physical lifting of the faithful's actual physical bodies into the actual physical clouds two miles above the Earth.

The word "Rapture" was mistakenly applied to this scenario around the time that Christians began to realise that the sky contained only clouds (1800s)... so they used "rapture" to denote some sort of metaphysical teleportation of the faithful to some sort alternate plane of existence.

That's just wrong... by definition, "rapture" has no physical connotation... and the early Christian writers ere definitely describing something physical.


The only people who believe "rapture" can be used in this way are those who have been influenced by this strangely Protestant delusion.


The Bible does not detail the physical teleportation of people's bodies to some alternate metaphysical realm (as Evangelicals understand it today) ... it details the physical lifting of people's immortalised physical bodies into the actual clouds where the Thunder God lives.


If you've flown in a plane, you've seen where the Bible writers thought god lived... if he wasn't there, they got it wrong. Simple as that.

The "Left Behind" series is NOT part of the Bible.



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As Sampson posted, you shouldn't twist the words in the Bible, and that is exactly what you have done.

Efram wrote in 373 AD,  about Christians: ""For all the saints and Elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins.", and that is exactly what Christians believe today, not one meaning in difference. He wrote "prior to the tribulation" which is what Christians believe today, and 373 AD was long before the 1800's, that you mentioned numerous times.

So lets look back,  You first said the word Rapture did not appear in the Bible, I showed where it did, as did Sampson.
You said Christians changed their belief of what it meant in the 1880's, and I showed you to be wrong again, by quoting Efram of Syria, who wrote in 373 AD, where he believed the same meaning of the rapture as Christians of today believe, so you have been proven wrong on all accounts.

If is funny how atheist on one hand always spout how they should not be frowned upon because of what they believe or dont believe, and on the other hand constantly attack Christians for what they believe, just as you have done in this post.

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Re: Waiting For Armageddon - Documentary Trailer
« Reply #46 on: February 14, 2010, 05:57:47 AM »
I think The TA and The Luke are related. 

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« Reply #47 on: February 14, 2010, 09:26:01 AM »
If is funny how atheist on one hand always spout how they should not be frowned upon because of what they believe or dont believe, and on the other hand constantly attack Christians for what they believe, just as you have done in this post.


Bullshit.

First, I don't think most of us atheists give a flying fucking hoot if religious people "frown upon" us.  As long as they keep their beliefs out of the public policy and don't hurt anyone I could care less.

Second, all you need to do is look at this thread.  I asked a simple question of why I can't argue the "word" or with "God" and right off the bat I'm called stupid.  It's religious people who hate having their views questioned or challenged.