The UFC Dominated Pay Per View in 2009

[noworries]

Are you guys serious   One of the key things that has caused boxing to slide as much as it has, is the way money was/is distributed.  You have 1-2 guys making 80%+ of the available revenues and everyone else, promoters, undercard fighters, etc. making the rest.  It's not sustainable.

The UFC has taken a completely different approach.  The promoter, which makes it all possible, makes the majority of the profit and the rest is distributed among the fighters.  The result?  A more sustainable business that continues to grow and provide growing opportunities for fighters.   

Just to let you know.  The UFC (which is really the only MMA organization to talk about) is privately owned.  Of course they are going to make the most money.  Boxing is not own by a single person or entity as far as I know.  If you think a fighter is making more than Don King when he promotes a show you need to check the checks so to speak.  Has any UFC fighter ever made $1 million payday not including sponsors.  Solely as prize money.

[MindSpin]

Just to let you know.  The UFC (which is really the only MMA organization to talk about) is privately owned.  Of course they are going to make the most money.  Boxing is not own by a single person or entity as far as I know.  If you think a fighter is making more than Don King when he promotes a show you need to check the checks so to speak.  Has any UFC fighter ever made $1 million payday not including sponsors.  Solely as prize money.

I think 1-2 MMA fighters might have made $1 million if you count the PPV%, but it's definitely a lot less than boxing, and therein lies the problem.  If a card makes $30 million, and one fighter walks away with most of that, it ends up not being sustainable.  Look at Affliction and what they were paying Tim Silvia, Arlovsky, Fedor, etc. $800,000+ per fight.  Where are they now?

[Fury]

Whereas the UFC makes millions per card and 90% of the fighters walk away with less than $50k. Same thing, smaller figures.  

[WeightPSHR]

Whereas the UFC makes millions per card and 90% of the fighters walk away with less than $50k. Same thing, smaller figures.  

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You do realize that the wages reported are only part of the payroll. Besides, nobody is holding a gun to these guys heads to fight in the UFC if they are not happy with the payroll.

[MindSpin]

Whereas the UFC makes millions per card and 90% of the fighters walk away with less than $50k. Same thing, smaller figures.  

Why shouldn't they?  They invested their own money and made the UFC what it is today. The fighters make more money than they ever have.  There are more fighting opportunities for the fighters than ever, more MMA fans than ever, more states that have sanctioned it than ever and it's growing faster than ever.  All of this because the Fertitta brothers invested their money and made it what it is today.  You're telling me they shouldn't be able to benefit from their investment?  

It's no different than any other company.  The owners make a lot more than the employees.  

[MindSpin]

Of course you feel that way given your vested interest in the company. The more money the UFC itself makes, the more money you make. Your entire argument is a gigantic contradiction. It's a problem when a few boxers make millions on a fight but it's OK for the UFC to short change anyone not named Brock Lesnar. Let's use $50 a card. At that price and 1 million purchases, that's $50 million in revenues. The UFC pays out maybe 3-5% of that to the fighters on the card (most of it going to one guy like Lesnar), and that's a very generous estimate for the amount paid out on a lot of these cards. Yeah, these fighters are really doing well.

I'm guessing you'll counter with your idiotic argument that no name UFC fighters make a killing on sponsorships, which we all know is bullshit. A number of NFL players who are household names don't even do well with regards to sponsorships.

All joking aside, I will give you until tomorrow to provide proof that I have a vested interest in the UFC.  If you provide the proof, I will hand you my modship.  If you don't, you're out of this board.

Now, what exactly is your point in the above post?  You sound incoherent...almost like you're on the verge of a major meltdown.  You didn't address any of the points I made in my post   The company owners make more money, because they are the ones putting their own money on the line and the ones creating the employment opportunities.  You really don't get that  

[gmflex]

 

[noworries]

The problem with the UFC is alot like the IFBB.  you are competing FOR the organization which is also the owner.  The owner will make the lion share of the revenue no matter what.  Take the top ten fighters in each weight class in boxing and compare their FIGHT earnings with the top ten fighters in each weight class in the UFC and I bet the average earnings in boxing is higher.  boxing has been around for well over 100 years.  It is not going anywhere.  If fighting numbers went down they will still be around.  If fight numbers go down in the UFC they will fold.  The UFC is huge no doubt but boxing is doing just fine.  Do you ever think a fighter in the UFC will make $5 million + a fight like in boxing.  And I mean the top guys

[WeightPSHR]

The problem with the UFC is alot like the IFBB.  you are competing FOR the organization which is also the owner.  The owner will make the lion share of the revenue no matter what.  Take the top ten fighters in each weight class in boxing and compare their FIGHT earnings with the top ten fighters in each weight class in the UFC and I bet the average earnings in boxing is higher.  boxing has been around for well over 100 years.  It is not going anywhere.  If fighting numbers went down they will still be around.  If fight numbers go down in the UFC they will fold.  The UFC is huge no doubt but boxing is doing just fine.  Do you ever think a fighter in the UFC will make $5 million + a fight like in boxing.  And I mean the top guys

For one, there is no reason that guys in the UFC should make as much as boxing. That is one of the good things about MMA. They are paid well, but not ridiculous amounts of money. This helps keep the sport as honest as it can be. Besides, MMA fighters fight more often as well. I just do not understand why people always compare MMA to Boxing. It is an entirely different sport. They can coexist. 

[MindSpin]

The problem with the UFC is alot like the IFBB.  you are competing FOR the organization which is also the owner.  The owner will make the lion share of the revenue no matter what.  Take the top ten fighters in each weight class in boxing and compare their FIGHT earnings with the top ten fighters in each weight class in the UFC and I bet the average earnings in boxing is higher.  boxing has been around for well over 100 years.  It is not going anywhere.  If fighting numbers went down they will still be around.  If fight numbers go down in the UFC they will fold.  The UFC is huge no doubt but boxing is doing just fine.  Do you ever think a fighter in the UFC will make $5 million + a fight like in boxing.  And I mean the top guys

Why should any fighter make millions upon millions of dollars   Before money came into MMA, guys were happy to fight for a few hundred bucks.  Today, any UFC pro can make enough money to sustain themselves and their families and the top pros are making enough to be considered millionaires. 

That said, by creating a situation in which MMA is quickly becoming mainstream and there are consistent events for fighters to participate in and where the sport is sanctioned in more places than ever and more/bigger sponsors are getting into it, the UFC is making it possible for fighters to make more than ever.

If the same model that boxing uses had been adopted in MMA, it would probably be dead by now or at best be relegated to underground matches and crappy organizations that notoriously rip off fighters. 

[noworries]

Why should any fighter make millions upon millions of dollars   Before money came into MMA, guys were happy to fight for a few hundred bucks.  Today, any UFC pro can make enough money to sustain themselves and their families and the top pros are making enough to be considered millionaires. 

That said, by creating a situation in which MMA is quickly becoming mainstream and there are consistent events for fighters to participate in and where the sport is sanctioned in more places than ever and more/bigger sponsors are getting into it, the UFC is making it possible for fighters to make more than ever.

If the same model that boxing uses had been adopted in MMA, it would probably be dead by now or at best be relegated to underground matches and crappy organizations that notoriously rip off fighters. 

Same with boxing, guys fought in alleys, streets anywhere.  Odd how you diss boxing and the way it is run when it has been around for more than 100 years, is an olympic sport, a prestigious amateur sport, watched and supported by millions of people around the world, is participated by millions of people from every country just about and pays its competitors a pretty good dollar.  The funny thing is there is many more underground matches in MMA than in boxing.  The ONLY worthwhile organization MMA is the UFC a privately owned company.  The guys fighting in the UFC are not making enough money to sustain them when they are 50, 60 70 and 80 years old.  There might be less than 5. 

[Captain Equipoise]

Why should any fighter make millions upon millions of dollars  Before money came into MMA, guys were happy to fight for a few hundred bucks.  Today, any UFC pro can make enough money to sustain themselves and their families and the top pros are making enough to be considered millionaires.  

That said, by creating a situation in which MMA is quickly becoming mainstream and there are consistent events for fighters to participate in and where the sport is sanctioned in more places than ever and more/bigger sponsors are getting into it, the UFC is making it possible for fighters to make more than ever.

If the same model that boxing uses had been adopted in MMA, it would probably be dead by now or at best be relegated to underground matches and crappy organizations that notoriously rip off fighters.  

The problems with money and greed started when MMA exploded and every fighter that used to just get ready for a fight themselves or at their school/academy started recruiting 'camp's or team's to train them, now the fighter has 5 guys on the payroll for that live and sleep with him for 6 weeks, you have a coach, manager, muay thai coach, jiu jitsu coach, nutritionist, additional training partners, strategy makers/planners, etc.  

it's gotten ridiculous, this is actually why I've lost interest in MMA over the last 10-15 years, it's not really MMA anymore, now a fighter has 8 weeks notice, he knows who he will fight, can study their tapes and old fights, there's nothing raw or original about it, that's why I always like the Pride Grand Prix's!!! that stuff was killer, it was unpredictable , raw and the fighters couldn't prepare and study who they were gonna fight! it was AWESOME.

[WeightPSHR]

LOL. Paying guys $20k a fight isn't ripping them off? That won't even cover pre-fight expenses for most of these guys. The only people not being ripped off are a handful of guys who sit at the top of the popularity chart and their respective classes.

Guess they could always fall back on the millions they make in endorsements.  

And this guy has the gall to call me the biased one.  

Who out there in MMA is offering the fighters better opportunity's and stability then the UFC? Remember, nobody is forcing these guys to fight in the UFC.
They could always fight in Strikeforce and wonder every show if this is going to be its last. Can you name any fighters that have benefited their careers by leaving the UFC?
 

[big man]

as long as a guy with a 5-1 record is ranked #2 in the world, mma means jack shit.  it is a little kids game.

there are plenty of boxers with records like 30-4 who would die for a title shot if they could get it

Right.

I have no interest in seeing guys wrestle on the floor.