Question for Beach Bum

[Soul Crusher]

That was just downright sad.  This has been all over the news.  It's not like this is some little known fact about Obama's healthcare plan.  It's been everywhere!!!!

Now he's making a pathetically feeble attempt to deflect into Iraq.

Skip - go over to the Gop Poll and young voters thread and look at some of the clips I posted and Straw's responses.  Because I posted them that alone means they are flase, when they are Obama, Rahm, Hillary, own freaking clips and speeches!  

Straw said that they are beck paranoid material when they are obamas' own speeches and words.  you cant make this up anymore.  

[Straw Man]

first off what does the iraq war and bush tax cuts have to do with this? more of the same from you 

second again you have to ask yourself why the CBO has found that...again educate yourself straw

it has to do with how WE CHOOSE to spend our tax dollars (or our borrowed dollars)

We have no problem spending 3 trillion on a fake war to keep America safe (and we all know it's mostly about enriching defense contractors) but we need to listen to the right wing bitch and moan about less than a trillion being spent to actually give millions of people health care and maybe save some of the 40k lives that are lost each year due to lack of health care

[Soul Crusher]

it has to do with how WE CHOOSE to spend our tax dollars (or our borrowed dollars)

We have no problem spending 3 trillion on a fake war to keep America safe (and we all know it's mostly about enriching defense contractors) but we need to listen to the right wing bitch and moan about less than a trillion being spent to actually give millions of people health care and maybe save some of the 40k lives that are lost each year due to lack of health care

1.  The Stim Bill is more expensive than the Iraq War.  stop making up bs to make a point. 

2.  ObamaCare is a tax bill not a health bill. 

3.  40k w/o insurance os utterly nonsense since many of those would have died regardless.

4.  Two wrongs dont make a right. 

5.  Why should we pay for illegal aliens? 

6.  Go screw yourself. 

   

[Straw Man]

1.  The Stim Bill is more expensive than the Iraq War.  stop making up bs to make a point.  

how much was the Stim Bill and how much is the War estimated to cost?

2.  ObamaCare is a tax bill not a health bill.  

looks like a health care bill to me

3.  40k w/o insurance os utterly nonsense since many of those would have died regardless.

I think I'd rather believe a Harvard study rather than a raving lunatic on a message board:
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2009/september/harvard_study_finds_.php
4.  Two wrongs dont make a right.  
what are the two wrongs

5.  Why should we pay for illegal aliens?
I agree - now show me where we are doing that

6.  Go screw yourself.  
You seem cranky this morning.  Did you get your period?

  

[Skip8282]

...less than a trillion being spent to actually give millions of people health care and maybe save some of the 40k lives that are lost each year due to lack of health care

Where's your evidence that it's going to save 40K lives?  According to the article YOU linked to:

She added: “Even the most liberal version of the House bill would have left 17 million uninsured, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The whittled down Senate bill will be worse — leaving tens of millions uninsured, and tens of thousands dying because of lack of care.

Did you actually read beyond the headline?

[Straw Man]

Where's your evidence that it's going to save 40K lives?  According to the article YOU linked to:

She added: “Even the most liberal version of the House bill would have left 17 million uninsured, according to the Congressional Budget Office. The whittled down Senate bill will be worse — leaving tens of millions uninsured, and tens of thousands dying because of lack of care.

Did you actually read beyond the headline?

I read it
did you read my post?
where did I say it was going to save 40k lives?

it has to do with how WE CHOOSE to spend our tax dollars (or our borrowed dollars)

We have no problem spending 3 trillion on a fake war to keep America safe (and we all know it's mostly about enriching defense contractors) but we need to listen to the right wing bitch and moan about less than a trillion being spent to actually give millions of people health care and maybe save some of the 40k lives that are lost each year due to lack of health care

[Dos Equis]

First off, welcome back.

Second, you have said repeatedly that you live in Hawaii.  What is the healthcare system like that?  Here in the states, we repeatedly here that you guys are already using Obama's socialist healthcare system out there, with great success.

Is this true?  How is it different from the other 49 states?  How does it work, and do you prefer to use private even though the state gives it out?  Thanks!

Thank you. 

I have not "said repeatedly that I live in Hawaii." 

See the post of my alter ego (Colossus).  He pretty much sums it up. 

[Dos Equis]

oh ya and welcome back beach

Thanks. 

[Straw Man]

Thank you. 

I have not "said repeatedly that I live in Hawaii." 

See the post of my alter ego (Colossus).  He pretty much sums it up. 

Bum - will you go back to giving us weather reports and local news again?

[Skip8282]

I read it
did you read my post?
where did I say it was going to save 40k lives?

Ok, any evidence to suggest it will save any lives?  The study you posted doesn't even suggest it.  Or are you just...

[Dos Equis]

Bum - will you go back to giving us weather reports and local news again?

Straw is the perfect definition of "useful idiot". 

LMFAO.  This has to top Luke's idiocy.  You're throwing out numbers and don't even know what they represent.    

This has to be your best post ever.  Thanks!

are you dumb?

6.  Go screw yourself. 
 

I'm sensing a pattern here.  lol.

[Straw Man]

Ok, any evidence to suggest it will save any lives?  The study you posted doesn't even suggest it.  Or are you just...

how would I get evidence about something that can only happen in the future?

Still, if the study finds that ~ 45k die each year due to lack of health insurance then it doesn't take a leap of faith to figure out that if that group of 45k had health insurance then some of those deaths (in that year) could most likely have been prevented.

Let's change "health insurance" to "food"

If 45k starved to death each year due to lack of food would you still ask me to prove that giving them food would prevent them from dying from starvation?

[Soul Crusher]

how would I get evidence about something that can only happen in the future?

Still, if the study finds that ~ 45k die each year due to lack of health insurance then it doesn't take a leap of faith to figure out that if that group of 45k had health insurance then some of those deaths (in that year) could most likely have been prevented.

Let's change "health insurance" to "food"

If 45k starved to death each year due to lack of food would you still ask me to prove that giving them food would prevent them from dying from starvation?

I would say go get food stamps, get a job, go ask a church, and do something other than being a helpless lazy POFS looking for a handout. 

[Straw Man]

I would say go get food stamps, get a job, go ask a church, and do something other than being a helpless lazy POFS looking for a handout. 

nice job completely missing the point

does it take a genius to figure out that giving starving people food would most likely prevent them from starving to death?

[Soul Crusher]

nice job completely missing the point

does it take a genius to figure out that giving starving people food would most likely prevent them from starving to death?

We already have measures to take care of that the same way we already have programs to help people. 

There is zero reason whatsoever for this bogus health mess since its based on lies and bs to begin with. 

85% of people or better already like their health insurance and dont want a creep like MAObama to come and screw it up so that illegals and other can get care. 

[Skip8282]

how would I get evidence about something that can only happen in the future?

Still, if the study finds that ~ 45k die each year due to lack of health insurance then it doesn't take a leap of faith to figure out that if that group of 45k had health insurance then some of those deaths (in that year) could most likely have been prevented.

Let's change "health insurance" to "food"

If 45k starved to death each year due to lack of food would you still ask me to prove that giving them food would prevent them from dying from starvation?

That's neither here nor there.  You're saying the healthcare bill will cover a sufficient number of people so as to reduce the 40K number.  The study you posted doesn't suggest that, in fact it claims millions will still go without.

[Kazan]

how would I get evidence about something that can only happen in the future?

Still, if the study finds that ~ 45k die each year due to lack of health insurance then it doesn't take a leap of faith to figure out that if that group of 45k had health insurance then some of those deaths (in that year) could most likely have been prevented.

Let's change "health insurance" to "food"

If 45k starved to death each year due to lack of food would you still ask me to prove that giving them food would prevent them from dying from starvation?

And how exactly did they come up with this 45K number? Seems to me the way the study was done intentionally skewed the results. If you didn't have insurance at the time you were asked in the study and then died after lets say 10 yrs, they just add that person to the group died because they didn't have health insurance at the begining of the study. Now that looks like that new government math to me.