Author Topic: HCG all year... (Read 3420 times)

claymore · « **on:** April 15, 2010, 10:30:39 PM »

Was wondering if anyone has any input on this method, spoke with someone very knowledgable and he swears it works alot better than test.

Spike · « **Reply #1 on:** April 16, 2010, 09:22:25 AM »

you run a serious risk of shutting down HPTA permanently and desensitizing yourself to LH

I would not recommend doing so

actually better on your body if you run test prop low dose all year - once your desensitized to LH your fertility and alot of other things are affected

tstmaniac · « **Reply #2 on:** April 16, 2010, 09:58:52 AM »

Spike do you run hcg while on gear? I have been doin this with 300ius on monday and thursday...I'm just worried about desensitization because ill be stayin on for a long time

g101 · « **Reply #3 on:** April 16, 2010, 11:31:10 AM »

I find the HCG Clomid combo is the best.. hit it hard for 3 weeks

i only do this once in a blue moon

aromasin or arimidex for bloat purposes

Overload · « **Reply #4 on:** April 16, 2010, 02:51:44 PM »

Quote from: Spike on April 16, 2010, 09:22:25 AM

you run a serious risk of shutting down HPTA permanently and desensitizing yourself to LH

I would not recommend doing so

actually better on your body if you run test prop low dose all year - once your desensitized to LH your fertility and alot of other things are affected

Good post bro.

Running HCG by itself year round is not a good idea, but i know guys who do it.

Spike · « **Reply #5 on:** April 16, 2010, 03:40:34 PM »

Quote from: tstmaniac on April 16, 2010, 09:58:52 AM

Spike do you run hcg while on gear? I have been doin this with 300ius on monday and thursday...I'm just worried about desensitization because ill be stayin on for a long time

sure do

thats the only time I will run it -- I have stayed on long I believe 6-8 weeks was longest I did but it was around 500iu every 5 days -

4thAD · « **Reply #6 on:** April 17, 2010, 08:34:55 PM »

desensitization comes from dose, not duration! I still would not recommend running HCG all year. I run HCG while on cycle, and I am almost always on. I do take breaks from HCG, and have not become desensitized.

tstmaniac · « **Reply #7 on:** April 18, 2010, 08:29:00 AM »

I'm going to be running hcg for about 10 months or maybe longer...if desnsetization has nothing to do with duration should I lower my hcg dose to like 200ius monday and thursday?

4thAD · « **Reply #8 on:** April 18, 2010, 01:03:28 PM »

Quote from: tstmaniac on April 18, 2010, 08:29:00 AM

I'm going to be running hcg for about 10 months or maybe longer...if desnsetization has nothing to do with duration should I lower my hcg dose to like 200ius monday and thursday?

Studies have shown 500iu 2xew/e3d is optimal dosing for HCG. You can lower it to see how it works, but keep in mind. Just because your balls don't feel small does not mean that atrophy is not taking place.

tstmaniac · « **Reply #9 on:** April 18, 2010, 01:05:14 PM »

I'm just worried about stayin on the hcg longterm...I'm prolly goin to be on for most of the time because I'm athlete and need to use it for recovery

4thAD · « **Reply #10 on:** April 18, 2010, 01:11:05 PM »

What do you mean by recovery exactly? PCT?

tstmaniac · « **Reply #11 on:** April 18, 2010, 02:13:24 PM »

Sorry I wasn't clear...I mean I'm goin to be on the sauce for awhile because I'm athlete and need it for recovery and to keep my size with all the cardio I do...I'm just nervous of stayin on hcg longterm to keeps leydig cells alive...but all of the research I've been doing shows I shouldn't worry about desensitization.

tstmaniac · « **Reply #12 on:** April 18, 2010, 02:14:06 PM »

Sorry I wasn't clear...I mean I'm goin to be on the sauce for awhile because I'm athlete and need it for recovery and to keep my size with all the cardio I do...I'm just nervous of stayin on hcg longterm to keeps leydig cells alive...but all of the research I've been doing shows I shouldn't worry about desensitization.

dustin · « **Reply #13 on:** April 18, 2010, 03:48:30 PM »

If you use juice and HCG you'll desensitize the fuck out of the leydig receptors and REALLY have a hard time recovering. Do a couple bouts of HCG and cruise on low dose test while you do. If you can, come off completely and do a quick recovery period a few times a year.

Do NOT stay on all year-round. We know a guy at the gym who sauced for over 20 years, came off and recovered just fine. He's training clean. Seriously clean, not under-500mgs-of-test-clean, and looks huge and fantastic for such an old fucker. I'm sure if he fucked around and overdosed on HCG he'd be a shriveled old fuck who couldn't get his cock hard if his life depended on it.

tstmaniac · « **Reply #14 on:** April 18, 2010, 05:02:42 PM »

Well ill def come off for probably 4 or 5 months out of the year but I just be able to recover as easy as possible wen I do come off...will I really desensatize that much off a low dose only two times per week?

dustin · « **Reply #15 on:** April 19, 2010, 12:13:00 AM »

Quote from: tstmaniac on April 18, 2010, 05:02:42 PM

Well ill def come off for probably 4 or 5 months out of the year but I just be able to recover as easy as possible wen I do come off...will I really desensatize that much off a low dose only two times per week?

I strongly believe that you will do much more harm than good. What the heck don't you understand? You can run it a couple times a year without any risk at all. So why are you risking it? Just do a couple small breaks from AAS and run a bit of HCG at a higher dose to keep the leydigs functioning properly.

SgtSpar · « **Reply #16 on:** April 19, 2010, 05:01:59 AM »

Quote from: dustin on April 18, 2010, 03:48:30 PM

if he fucked around and overdosed on HCG he'd be a shriveled old fuck who couldn't get his cock hard if his life depended on it.

How do you know that? People use HCG as part of their HRT at 250iu to 500iu forever.

g101 · « **Reply #17 on:** April 19, 2010, 09:29:56 AM »

Quote from: SgtSpar on April 19, 2010, 05:01:59 AM

How do you know that? People use HCG as part of their HRT at 250iu to 500iu forever.

x2

HCG NEVER fails.

4thAD · « **Reply #18 on:** April 19, 2010, 12:07:34 PM »

Quote from: dustin on April 18, 2010, 03:48:30 PM

If you use juice and HCG you'll desensitize the fuck out of the leydig receptors and REALLY have a hard time recovering. Do a couple bouts of HCG and cruise on low dose test while you do. If you can, come off completely and do a quick recovery period a few times a year.

Do NOT stay on all year-round. We know a guy at the gym who sauced for over 20 years, came off and recovered just fine. He's training clean. Seriously clean, not under-500mgs-of-test-clean, and looks huge and fantastic for such an old fucker. I'm sure if he fucked around and overdosed on HCG he'd be a shriveled old fuck who couldn't get his cock hard if his life depended on it.

Come on man where are you getting this info from? Desensitization comes from high dosing protocols, not duration of use. Docs prescribe HCG for TRT patients all the time to use while on TRT year around.

dustin · « **Reply #19 on:** April 19, 2010, 06:08:07 PM »

Quote from: 4thAD on April 19, 2010, 12:07:34 PM

Come on man where are you getting this info from? Desensitization comes from high dosing protocols, not duration of use. Docs prescribe HCG for TRT patients all the time to use while on TRT year around.

That's what I thought too but my endo disagrees, I've talked to her at great lengths and she's treated many bodybuilders in my town. In any event, I might have exaggerated things but I still believe it's not necessary. I think it's more advantageous to run it just a few times and blast with a larger dose vs running a low dose. My two cents. People can disagree but I'd rather play it safe than sorry.

4thAD · « **Reply #20 on:** April 19, 2010, 07:56:08 PM »

I will agree you definitely need to be careful with HCG.

tstmaniac · « **Reply #21 on:** April 19, 2010, 08:27:02 PM »

Would u consider 300ius on monday and thursday carefull?

4thAD · « **Reply #22 on:** April 19, 2010, 09:15:55 PM »

Quote from: tstmaniac on April 19, 2010, 08:27:02 PM

Would u consider 300ius on monday and thursday carefull?

Personally I would consider 500iu 2xew, or e3d careful as studies and personal experience show its safe. You need to find what works for you with proper blood work.

muscle19 · « **Reply #23 on:** April 22, 2010, 08:59:03 PM »

what are you looking for with the blood work regarding hcg? i just got blood work and im using hcg 2 times a wk at 250ius a shot, what in my blood work would i look for?