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Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« on: April 09, 2010, 05:06:31 PM »
How different do you think the US would be right now if the slaves were deported?  Would it have changed the shape of our political structure?  Would there still be all of the government sponsored social programs and wasteful spending going toward Urban re-development projects that have to be done every 5 years in the same neighborhoods? 

I just read an article about Lincoln and saw that he wanted to deport after the abolishment of slavery.  I imagined how different things may be now if he did.  I am not sure if it would have made a difference though.  There would have been someone to take the place of the blacks on the food chain.

I didn't want this to turn into a racist post because there have been many contributions made by the black community but I cannot help to think that this country would have a vastly different way of life.

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2010, 05:12:25 PM »
How different do you think the US would be right now if the slaves were deported?  Would it have changed the shape of our political structure?  Would there still be all of the government sponsored social programs and wasteful spending going toward Urban re-development projects that have to be done every 5 years in the same neighborhoods? 

I just read an article about Lincoln and saw that he wanted to deport after the abolishment of slavery.  I imagined how different things may be now if he did.  I am not sure if it would have made a difference though.  There would have been someone to take the place of the blacks on the food chain.

I didn't want this to turn into a racist post because there have been many contributions made by the black community but I cannot help to think that this country would have a vastly different way of life.

You do realize the vast majority of welfare/aid recipients are not black, right?!

Honest answer? Here's an answer no one will like.... without blacks, ni66ers, ni66as, or whatever label people want to use, white people's lives in America would suck total ass. There wouldn't be anyone around to blame or feel better than. This means poor whites would either revolt or die from severe depression because the one reason they can still get out of bed daily would be gone. :)

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2010, 05:21:07 PM »
How different do you think the US would be right now if the slaves were deported?  Would it have changed the shape of our political structure?  Would there still be all of the government sponsored social programs and wasteful spending going toward Urban re-development projects that have to be done every 5 years in the same neighborhoods? 

I just read an article about Lincoln and saw that he wanted to deport after the abolishment of slavery.  I imagined how different things may be now if he did.  I am not sure if it would have made a difference though.  There would have been someone to take the place of the blacks on the food chain.

I didn't want this to turn into a racist post because there have been many contributions made by the black community but I cannot help to think that this country would have a vastly different way of life.


It would most definitely be different. Alot of the injustices may not have occurred or at least may not have occurred along colour coded lines. It's harder to turn a blind eye towards injustice when the people being shit on look just like you.
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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2010, 05:22:42 PM »
How different do you think the US would be right now if the slaves were deported?  Would it have changed the shape of our political structure?  Would there still be all of the government sponsored social programs and wasteful spending going toward Urban re-development projects that have to be done every 5 years in the same neighborhoods? 

I just read an article about Lincoln and saw that he wanted to deport after the abolishment of slavery.  I imagined how different things may be now if he did.  I am not sure if it would have made a difference though.  There would have been someone to take the place of the blacks on the food chain.

I didn't want this to turn into a racist post because there have been many contributions made by the black community but I cannot help to think that this country would have a vastly different way of life.
Not Exactly.  PLEASE take the time and read this as you are Wrong about Lincoln.
Here is a well researched page on Lincoln and the evolution of his beliefs on Colonization. By the end, he drops all notion.


http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jala/14.2/vorenberg.html
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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2010, 05:27:21 PM »
   http://www.historycooperative.org/journals/jala/14.2/vorenberg.html

Lincoln actually had given up on colonization long before Congress repealed funds for the program. Since the departure of the Vache Island colonists in April 1863, the president, while privately continuing to endorse efforts of independent agencies and foreign countries to recruit emigrants, had done nothing to promote colonization.37 Even his appointed agent of colonization had come to [End Page 41] suspect the president's halting commitment. In early 1863, Pomeroy, who recognized the Vache Island venture as a meager gesture, bitterly penned a letter to Lincoln, demanding to know whether he ever intended to honor his promise of colonizing blacks, fourteen thousand of whom had applied for emigration.38
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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2010, 05:28:23 PM »

It would most definitely be different. Alot of the injustices may not have occurred or at least may not have occurred along colour coded lines. It's harder to turn a blind eye towards injustice when the people being shit on look just like you.

Judi,

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This is something you should well understand by now. :)

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2010, 05:31:16 PM »
It is not difficult to understand why Lincoln gave up his idea of colonization. Union party victories in 1863 in the border states and all the northern states but New Jersey lessened the pressure on Lincoln to accommodate racist sentiment against the Emancipation Proclamation. Even if Lincoln had continued to support colonization, blacks clearly never would. Opposition to Lincoln's colonization proposals from Frederick Douglass, among others, who ridiculed colonization as simply "a safety valve ... for white racism" had never given way.41 Also, blacks had taken a key role in the army, and the notion of sending abroad potential warriors against the Confederacy ran counter to common sense and military strategy. Moreover, alternatives to colonization outside the United States had proved more successful than any of Lincoln's schemes. Such efforts as Eli Thayer's military colonization in Florida and Lorenzo Thomas's refugee program in Mississippi may have given Lincoln a sense that blacks could have a future in this country.
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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2010, 05:33:48 PM »
Advisors to Lincoln who had once flown the flag of colonization now showed different colors. Usher, whose counsel on colonization Lincoln had followed so far, wrote to the president in May 1863, just after Secretary Stanton formed the Bureau of Colored Troops, that the War Department's new policy toward blacks precluded further colonization; the office of the commissioner of emigration, wrote Usher, should be turned over to the Pension Bureau. One-time colonizationist Francis Blair, Sr., now admitted that settling the freedmen within the nation's boundaries made far more sense than sending them abroad. Even Ambrose Thompson, the opportunistic schemer behind the Chiriqui plan, recognized that colonization was no longer practical or profitable. By June 1863, he had stopped offering Lincoln a plan of colonization and offered him instead a plan to employ thousands of blacks as well as white immigrants on a railroad running between Washington, D.C., and Pittsburgh.
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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2010, 05:36:44 PM »
That is a huge myth that Lincoln supported Colonization of Slaves AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation.  I hope this clears it up. 
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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2010, 05:54:41 PM »
That is a huge myth that Lincoln supported Colonization of Slaves AFTER the Emancipation Proclamation.  I hope this clears it up. 


Well I suppose there are many myths out there.



From Lincoln in American Memory, Merill D Peterson, p92.

Chapter 3 - Fillng Up the Image

"Many of the reminiscences were patently self-serving as well as incredible. In his contribution to the Rice volume and in his autobiography, Union General Benjamin Butler recorded a conversation he had with the President in February 1865 on the question of what to do with the freedmen. He put quotation marks around a fearful harangue in which the President spoke of Negro soldiers becoming a class of guerillas and criminals in the South and asked Butler to draw up a plan to colonize them outside the country. Butler did so, proposing that the Negroes be deported to Panama and employed to dig a canal across the isthmus. "There is meat in that, General Butler," the President said, and he directed him to talk to Seward about the plan, which came to nought. Nothing but Butler’s testimony supports this. By 1864 Lincoln had, in Hay’s word, "sloughed" ideas of colonization. That he would contemplate deporting Negro soldiers at the same time calling for their enfranchisement, or that he would entrust a project of this magnitude to a proven scoundrel like Ben Butler, beggard belief."

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2010, 08:36:01 PM »
You do realize the vast majority of welfare/aid recipients are not black, right?!

Honest answer? Here's an answer no one will like.... without blacks, ni66ers, ni66as, or whatever label people want to use, white people's lives in America would suck total ass. There wouldn't be anyone around to blame or feel better than. This means poor whites would either revolt or die from severe depression because the one reason they can still get out of bed daily would be gone. :)

You can take that black dick out of your mouth now thanks. Please remember to swallow and wipe the cum from your mouth before you kiss your mom goodnight.

Right now the corrupt politicians and greedy corporations and slimy/evil bankers are on everyone's shit list. I am guessing they are hated more than blacks for the moment.

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #11 on: April 09, 2010, 08:43:47 PM »
You can take that black dick out of your mouth now thanks. Please remember to swallow and wipe the cum from your mouth before you kiss your mom goodnight.

Right now the corrupt politicians and greedy corporations and slimy/evil bankers are on everyone's shit list. I am guessing they are hated more than blacks for the moment.

There would also be no fear of the "black dick". :)

I didn't write blacks are hated, LOL!

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #12 on: April 09, 2010, 08:46:05 PM »
You do realize the vast majority of welfare/aid recipients are not black, right?!

Honest answer? Here's an answer no one will like.... without blacks, ni66ers, ni66as, or whatever label people want to use, white people's lives in America would suck total ass. There wouldn't be anyone around to blame or feel better than. This means poor whites would either revolt or die from severe depression because the one reason they can still get out of bed daily would be gone. :)
If im not mistaken this is true but not when looked at in proportion to the total populations of white and blacks...

blacks have a higher proportion of their population on welfare etc...than whites...

basically its no suprise that whites have more seeing as there are alot more whites...but blacks have more percentagewise in comparison to total respective population

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #13 on: April 09, 2010, 08:57:57 PM »
If im not mistaken this is true but not when looked at in proportion to the total populations of white and blacks...

blacks have a higher proportion of their population on welfare etc...than whites...

basically its no suprise that whites have more seeing as there are alot more whites...but blacks have more percentagewise in comparison to total respective population

Those programs are designed by the majority to help their less fortunate brethren. :)

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #14 on: April 09, 2010, 09:03:35 PM »
Those programs are designed by the majority to help their less fortunate brethren. :)
LOL no those are designed by they minority of the majority to secure votes by creating socially dependent welfare class... ;)

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #15 on: April 10, 2010, 12:54:35 AM »
Judi,

Justice depends upon who is doing the judging.

This is something you should well understand by now. :)
Where ever you are around the world that stands true.

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #16 on: April 10, 2010, 04:58:02 AM »
LOL no those are designed by they minority of the majority to secure votes by creating socially dependent welfare class... ;)

Less fortunate members of the majority will vote or riot. They need a little reach around. :)

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2010, 01:19:54 PM »
Marcus Garvey wanted to do the same thing. I will tell you this much-- there would be a whole lot less bitching, complaning and belly aching both in America and around the world. Also, the democratic party would be totally and completely marginalized. Imagine no civil rights movement or guaranteed black voting bloc in every single election on the state and federal level.

Things would be very different. While I think things in this country ( And probably in Africa) would be better, America would not have a monopoly over the things that blacks have made great-- ala sports, music and entertainment. In fact, I don't think those things would even exist to the extent that they do today.

Jazz music and other black musical influences gave birth or at the very least helped advance the majority of musical genres we have today. Imagine football, basketball and boxing without blacks. Imagine no black stand up comedians or actors. Life would certainly be more boring.  

  

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #18 on: April 10, 2010, 05:16:55 PM »
I would have played college basketball, or maybe even pro.... ;D

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #19 on: April 10, 2010, 05:22:45 PM »
I would have played college basketball, or maybe even pro.... ;D

You'd also be considered a good dancer, LOL!

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #20 on: April 10, 2010, 05:39:38 PM »
You'd also be considered a good dancer, LOL!

haha, I still doubt that! 

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #21 on: April 10, 2010, 06:10:25 PM »
haha, I still doubt that! 

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Re: Lincoln wanted to deport all freed slaves
« Reply #22 on: April 11, 2010, 11:36:15 AM »
Show,

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hahaha, classic.....Pryor was THE MAN.....all of these cats now can't hold a candle to him when he was on.....