LMFAO @ Josh Koschek

[MindSpin]

This will be a very interesting fight.  The first time they met, KOS was taken by surprise by GSPs wrestling.  This time, he will come prepared for that.  If they are able to nullify each other's wrestling, it will be a standup fight.  While I think GSPs standup is better, I feel like GSP is not very confident standing up and that could play a factor.

[coltrane]

Yes. 

And, i was really impressed with Kos' standup in his fight against Rumble.  Really sharp and skilled i though.


I think this is one hell of a fight coming up.. and it seems as if Kos is really confident.

[George Whorewell]

DQ'd for what?

Pretending to get poked in the eye to get a breather. I dont know what the rule is, but the guy who fought Irvin got the win when Irvin pulled that crap the last time he fought.

[WeightPSHR]

Pretending to get poked in the eye to get a breather. I dont know what the rule is, but the guy who fought Irvin got the win when Irvin pulled that crap the last time he fought.

The Sakara vs Irvin fight was ruled a TKO due to Irvin not being able to continue due to a punch. Irvin thought it was a poke, but it was shown to be a legal punch. There was no type of DQ involved. When a fighter can't continue based on their own admission, it is considered a TKO. Good call in this fight.

I do think Koscheck played the knee up a lot, but there was contact from Daley's knee to Koscheck's head. That is why he was not DQ'd. Because the contact had no real significance, no point was deducted.

[coltrane]

The Sakara vs Irvin fight was ruled a TKO due to Irvin not being able to continue due to a punch. Irvin thought it was a poke, but it was shown to be a legal punch. There was no type of DQ involved. When a fighter can't continue based on their own admission, it is considered a TKO. Good call in this fight.

I do think Koscheck played the knee up a lot, but there was contact from Daley's knee to Koscheck's head. That is why he was not DQ'd. Because the contact had no real significance, no point was deducted.

The replays showed no touching with the one knee of daley... but wasn't the OTHER knee that hit?  The one the cameras seem to not have gotten?

[WeightPSHR]

The replays showed no touching with the one knee of daley... but wasn't the OTHER knee that hit?  The one the cameras seem to not have gotten?

Regardless of what any of us think we saw...Daley had all intentions of landing that knee. Even if Koscheck was faking it and got a free breather and almost a point deducted, Daley should play buy the rules and should have never attempted the knee.

Daley's lack of composure ultimately cost him his career.

[George Whorewell]

Umm Ok-- He wanted to land the knee but didn't-- but because he wanted to, it's ok for his opponent to pretend he was hit illegally to take a 5 minute breather?

I'm usually pretty quiet about you being a UFC dicklicker, but your rationalization here is bordering insanity. Let me guess, Koscheck is in the UFC and Daley isn't, therefore Daley is a can and Koscheck didn't do anything wrong?

[WeightPSHR]

Umm Ok-- He wanted to land the knee but didn't-- but because he wanted to, it's ok for his opponent to pretend he was hit illegally to take a 5 minute breather?

I'm usually pretty quiet about you being a UFC dicklicker, but your rationalization here is bordering insanity. Let me guess, Koscheck is in the UFC and Daley isn't, therefore Daley is a can and Koscheck didn't do anything wrong?

There was contact to Koschecks head. Although it grazed his head there was contact. End of story.
Why should Koscheck be punished? No point was deducted?

So now you are using the dick N ball talk too?

Are you mad I proved you wrong about Irvin?

[George Whorewell]

You didnt prove me wrong. I asked a question about why the Irvin fight was stopped. Your explanation for Koschecks broadway worthy performances in his last two victories is silly to say the least.

Next I think that if you throw an illegal strike and it misses, the contact the wind makes with the other fighters hair is enough to stop the fight and deduct a point.

[WeightPSHR]

You didnt prove me wrong. I asked a question about why the Irvin fight was stopped. Your explanation for Koschecks broadway worthy performances in his last two victories is silly to say the least.

Next I think that if you throw an illegal strike and it misses, the contact the wind makes with the other fighters hair is enough to stop the fight and deduct a point.

Fighters should compose themselves enough to not throw blatant knees to the head at 100% while a guy is down. PERIOD.
It's not like it was an accidental groin kick or glancing strike to the back of the head. It was an attempt to knee his head off.
Besides, they have replay to avoid any unnecessary points from being deducted, just like in the Koscheck/Daley fight.

[George Whorewell]

Fighters should compose themselves enough to not throw blatant knees to the head at 100% while a guy is down. PERIOD.
It's not like it was an accidental groin kick or glancing strike to the back of the head. It was an attempt to knee his head off.
Besides, they have replay to avoid any unnecessary points from being deducted, just like in the Koscheck/Daley fight.

So "attempting" to do something that was unsucessful gives the fighter who was "almost" struck illegally the right to take a few minutes off?

Why stop there? How about all fighters are given 5 minute breathers anytime they are "almost" knocked out, but the shots that "almost" knocked them out failed to connect?

[WeightPSHR]

So "attempting" to do something that was unsucessful gives the fighter who was "almost" struck illegally the right to take a few minutes off?

Why stop there? How about all fighters are given 5 minute breathers anytime they are "almost" knocked out, but the shots that "almost" knocked them out failed to connect?

If someone attempts a knee to the head of a downed opponent, and it makes contact, no matter how small the contact may be, caution should be taken. Fighter safety should always come first.

I agree that Koscheck possibly exaggerated, but he also admitted to Mirgliota that it didn't do much damage when he stood up. Maybe he was stunned by it and reacted, who knows...

I personally feel that Koscheck was stunned by it, or the attepmt, and acted up to try and get a point more then it was an attempt at a breather.

Either way it was meaningless to the fight and no point was deducted.

Think about it, if Koscheck wanted an breather, Daley got one too. No real advantage.

[Soul Crusher]

I still dont see how Kos beats GSP.

 

[coltrane]

I still dont see how Kos beats GSP.

 

And no one saw how Serra did either..  or how BJ lost to Edgar or how etc. etc.

[WeightPSHR]

And no one saw how Serra did either..  or how BJ lost to Edgar or how etc. etc.

That right there is what makes this sport so great. Anyone can win on any given day.
Styles, technique, and a master game plan go a long way.
Just ask Greg Jackson.

[Soul Crusher]

And no one saw how Serra did either..  or how BJ lost to Edgar or how etc. etc.

I meant aside from a freak punch like Serra.