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SAMSON123

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Even Mr America Is No Longer Patriotic To America
« on: May 21, 2010, 07:49:06 AM »
For a country that talks so openly and boldly about its patriotism...why is everything american being made everywhere EXCEPT america... Even this latest movie is being made elsewhere, which is so indicative of the environment: politically, socially, economically of america that speaks volumes against what is said so openly in regards to love of nation, but then near secretly does everything on the cheap elsewhere forsaking patriotism...

Should We Now Call Him 'Captain England'?

by Mike Ryan · May 19, 2010
Robert Pattinson and Kristen Stewart in 'The Twilight Saga: Eclipse'





Based on this news, it would only seem appropriate that Steve Rogers be demoted to at least Lieutenant America.

First, budget constraints forced producers to move "Pirates of the Caribbean: On Stranger Tides" production from its titular tropical location to the tax-friendlier confines of Hawaii and London. Now, the same money concerns have sent "Captain America" overseas: the movie about the most patriotic of comic-book heroes will, ironically, not be filmed in America.

The loss of production business from "Captain America: The First Avenger" is another blow to the city of Los Angeles, which has seen its share of big-budget films flee to escape the heavy tax burden its state levees on films. California offers tax credits to smaller films but, considering "Captain America's" budget is $140 million, it didn't qualify for a break. London offers tax credits up to 25 percent. When faced with the current economic climate, it's hard to argue with those numbers -patriotic or not.

Sure, some of the "Captain America" adaptation is literally set in London; for those scenes, that location makes perfect sense. But it also makes perfect sense for Captain America, once he's done fighting Nazis, to also show a little patriotism and film seems in his home country. But, as any American knows - including its Captain - money talks.

Also ironic: California's taxes have been a boon to the British Columbian city of Vancouver, which in recent years has seen a boom of what would've otherwise been big Hollywood business (films such as the "Twilight Saga" have found a production home north of the border).

But there is an added sense of loss - not counting the hundreds of Hollywood jobs that will disappear - because it is, you know, Captain America. This was a character that was created a full year before Pearl Harbor was even bombed by Japan. Cover art of early Captain America books showed the hero punching Adolph Hitler in the jaw as a way of showing America's support for its European allies.

Big budget movies being filmed overseas to avoid costs isn't an entirely new phenomenon. George Lucas filmed all three "Star Wars" prequels in Australia to avoid union costs (Lucas has been a stong opponent to unions after a disagreement between him and the directors' guild over the title sequence of original "Star Wars" not listing the cast). Of the six films, only "Return of the Jedi" featured live-action scenes filmed in the United States.

Considering the recent rash of films switching from locations that actually includes the location in the film's title, it won't be too long before it's discovered that "Sleepless in Seattle" was actually filmed in Albuquerque.

"Captain America: The First Avenger," starring Chris Evans as the title character, is slated for a Summer 2011 release.
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Re: Even Mr America Is No Longer Patriotic To America
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2010, 07:57:38 AM »
Reality check: the original Captain America comic book was set in Europe—not America.  Remember, he was fighting the Axis powers of World War II.  Part of this film is set in England; in effect the film is being shot “on location” as they say. ::)

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Re: Even Mr America Is No Longer Patriotic To America
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2010, 08:04:23 AM »
Reality check: the original Captain America comic book was set in Europe—not America.  Remember, he was fighting the Axis powers of World War II.  Part of this film is set in England; in effect the film is being shot “on location” as they say. ::)

You've missed the point and that is the whole America, patriotism, made in america claims are being violated in shifting the production of the movie over seas. I know there are scenes in the Captain America comics where he goes to England in the fight against the Nazis...However HE IS CAPTAIN AMERICA...NOT CAPTAIN EUROPE. Therefore should not his representation be where he was created? For the sake of keeping it american, I am sure there are plenty of cities in america that have the look of Hollywood, California, England cities where it could have been made there  and employed people, artists, film makers etc in america.... but hey as they say...MONEY TALKS!!
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Re: Even Mr America Is No Longer Patriotic To America
« Reply #3 on: May 22, 2010, 05:13:50 AM »
You've missed the point and that is the whole America, patriotism, made in america claims are being violated in shifting the production of the movie over seas. I know there are scenes in the Captain America comics where he goes to England in the fight against the Nazis...However HE IS CAPTAIN AMERICA...NOT CAPTAIN EUROPE. Therefore should not his representation be where he was created? For the sake of keeping it american, I am sure there are plenty of cities in america that have the look of Hollywood, California, England cities where it could have been made there  and employed people, artists, film makers etc in america.... but hey as they say...MONEY TALKS!!

Actually Samson, there aren't.  It all depends on what they're looking for and many times the architecture as well as environments plays a key role in the locations chosen. Some jurisdictions are better than others because of their diversity., as well as remoteness etc., and well as their access to industry infrastructure. When you consider the difference between the USD and the Euro, or even the pound, moving a production from the US to England isn't the most economical of feasible option unless the exigences of the script demand it.

I mean, one could film Nanuk of the north in the middle of the Mexican desert for far less than what it would cost to film in Alaska... but if you need a boat load of snow, pine trees, and polar bears, making do with sand, cacti, and chihuahuas isn't exactly going to remain true to the story being told is it?
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