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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #50 on: May 26, 2010, 08:36:44 AM »
the only problem with your theory is that it's not true.  The only person interrupting was Stein.  Maddow would start a question and he would get defensive and jump in.
She would give a statement by the founder of his organization or mention a factual association and he would deny it.   I don't remember hearing any quote by Maddow where she said or implied that the entire group was racist

btw - an interview with a person where he's being asked about written and spoken words which can be fact checked is not the same thing as showing bogus video or doctored video

Taking quotes out of context IS the same thing as doctoring tape.JUST LIKE the Barrack the Magic Negro thing Rush played.If you just play it and don't explain it was a parody of an article a black reporter from the LA TIMES wrote,thats EXACTLY the same thing as editing out applause.

Maddow,takes parts of quotes from 30 years ago and expects the guy to comment on it 30 years later when you can clearly see has little recollection of the quote.Its typical Maddow.My response would have simply been to recite Rev. Wright sermons and said "do you think Obama believes that".But he isn't as quick as me.

She mentioned that it was a suicide AFTER having night after night after night of interviews regarding the case,interviews with the family,implying it was right wing extremism that caused his murder,trying to drag Rush and Beck into it.To simply say it was ruled a suicide without apologising for jumping to an insane conclusion and stoking the fires of hate is lazy at best and scurrilous at worst.

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #51 on: May 26, 2010, 08:42:26 AM »
Taking quotes out of context IS the same thing as doctoring tape.JUST LIKE the Barrack the Magic Negro thing Rush played.If you just play it and don't explain it was a parody of an article a black reporter from the LA TIMES wrote,thats EXACTLY the same thing as editing out applause.

Maddow,takes parts of quotes from 30 years ago and expects the guy to comment on it 30 years later when you can clearly see has little recollection of the quote.Its typical Maddow.My response would have simply been to recite Rev. Wright sermons and said "do you think Obama believes that".But he isn't as quick as me.

She mentioned that it was a suicide AFTER having night after night after night of interviews regarding the case,interviews with the family,implying it was right wing extremism that caused his murder,trying to drag Rush and Beck into it.To simply say it was ruled a suicide without apologising for jumping to an insane conclusion and stoking the fires of hate is lazy at best and scurrilous at worst.

regarding the suicide she reported the info given in the media by LE and then did follow up as more info became available.   Exactly what you would expect from a reporter of the news

can you give even one example of something Maddow said that was not true

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #52 on: May 26, 2010, 08:57:41 AM »
regarding the suicide she reported the info given in the media by LE and then did follow up as more info became available.   Exactly what you would expect from a reporter of the news

can you give even one example of something Maddow said that was not true

After Jindal delivered the Republican response to President Obama's address before Congress on Tuesday, he became the recipient of withering criticism from both sides of the aisle. Maddow's critique of Jindal, however, was so over the top that it bore little resemblance to what Jindal actually said --

MADDOW: In the jaw-dropping comment of the night, Gov. Jindal went on to invoke government failure during Hurricane Katrina as a model for how to understand how we should move forward as a country.

JINDAL: Today in Washington, some are promising that government will rescue us from the economic storms raging all around us. Those of us who lived through Hurricane Katrina, we have our doubts.

MADDOW (makes weird sounds of mock anguish): I thought I could come up with words again, hearing it the second time around. Honestly I can't. The idea being that since government failed during Hurricane Katrina, we should understand not that government should not be allowed to fail again, but that government is inherently fail (sic), that government never works, that government can't work and therefore we should stop seeking a functioning government. Stunning.

"Stunning" comes to mind when one sees how Maddow edited the segment to deprive  viewers of what Jindal said next, which was this --

JINDAL: Let me tell you a story. During Katrina, I visited Sheriff Harry Lee, a Democrat and a good friend of mine. When I walked into his makeshift office, I had never seen him so angry. He was literally yelling into the phone. 'Well I'm the sheriff and if you don't like it, you can come and arrest me!'  I asked him, 'Sheriff, what's got you so mad?' He told me that he had put out a call for volunteers to come with their boats to rescue people who were trapped on their rooftops by the flood waters. The boats were all lined up and ready to go, and then some bureaucrat showed up and told them they couldn't go out on the water unless they had proof of insurance and registration. And I told him, 'Sheriff, that's ridiculous.' Before I knew it, he was yelling in the phone, 'Congressman Jindal's here and he says you can come and arrest him too!' Well, Harry just told those boaters, ignore the bureaucrats and go start rescuing people. There's a lesson in this experience. The strength of America is not found in our government. It's found in the compassionate hearts and the enterprising spirit of our citizens.

Maddow's contortion of Jindal's remarks continued that night when she interviewed former Wonkette blogger Ana Marie Cox, a contributor to The Daily Beast and national correspondent for Air America Radio --

MADDOW: I was speechless twice in hearing the Katrina response because the implication of it is not that the lesson to have learned from Katrina is that we ought to make the government work better 'cause we need the government for some stuff, but that we don't need the government 'cause the government can't do anything. We ought to just ...

COX (interrupting): You better not trust that government!

MADDOW: Yeah! Ever!

COX: Yeah, it was a very strange, counterintuitive thing to do.

In other words, the emergency response to Katrina is an example of how residents of the Gulf Coast should have trusted government ...? 

More along the same lines from Maddow in her show Wednesday night --

MADDOW:  I was personally left sort of speechless after his speech. It wasn't just his delivery, it was his use of Hurricane Katrina as a lesson that government is not necessary, that nothing should be expected of government.

How about that, Maddow earned a doctorate in political science at Oxford and can't discern between the conservatism espoused by Jindal -- and apparently shared by many others in the historically red state of Louisiana -- and the anarchism she attributes to him. Those inclined toward politics usually learn the distinction in high school.

Jindal wasn't remotely implying, as Maddow wants her credulous viewers to believe, that "we should stop seeking a functioning government." Jindal was suggesting we should not tolerate dysfunctional government -- especially when it imperils public safety.

To Maddow, "government" in the context of Katrina is reduced to a single, easily scapegoated figure -- then-President George W. Bush, guilty most of all for not biting his lower lip on cue after Katrina struck, in the manner of Empathizer-in-Chief Bill Clinton.

Maddow is apparently also unaware that when it comes to natural disasters, emergency response obligations for government start at the local level and work their way up -- as dictated by law.

That there was plenty of blame to go around for "government" failure in response to Katrina was described in a Wall Street Journal op-ed published Sept. 6, 2005, one week after the storm, and written by Bob Williams, president of the Evergreen Freedom Foundation public policy research organization --

The primary responsibility for dealing with emergencies does not belong to the federal government. It belongs to local and state officials who are charged by law with the management of the crucial first response to disasters. First response should be carried out by local and state emergency personnel under the supervision of the state governor and his/her emergency operations center.

Here's how then-Louisiana Gov. Kathleen Blanco and New Orleans Mayor Ray Nagin, Democrats both, handled these responsibilities, as described by Williams --

... Local, state and federal officials held a simulated hurricane drill 13 months ago, in which widespread flooding supposedly trapped 300,000 people inside New Orleans. The exercise simulated the evacuation of more than a million residents. The problems identified in the simulation apparently were not solved.

A year ago, as Hurricane Ivan approached, New Orleans ordered an evacuation but did not use city or school buses to help people evacuate. As a result many of the poorest citizens were unable to evacuate. Fortunately, the hurricane changed course and did not hit New Orleans, but both Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin acknowledged the need for a better evacuation plan. In 1998, during a threat by Hurricane George, 14,000 people were sent to the Superdome and theft and security were rampant due to inadequate security. Again, these problems were not corrected ...

... Mayor Nagin had to be encouraged by the governor to contact the National Hurricane Center before he finally, belatedly, issued the order for mandatory evacuation. And sadly, it apparently took a personal call from the president to urge the governor to order the manndatory evacuation.

The city's evacuation plan states: 'The city of New Orleans will utilize all available resources to quickly and safely evacuate threatened areas.' But even though the city has enough school and transit buses to evacuate 12,000 citizens per fleet run, the mayor did not use them. To compound the problem, the buses were not moved to high ground and were flooded ...

... I am not attempting to excuse some of the delays in FEMA's response. Congress and the president need to take corrective action there, also. However, if citizens expect FEMA to be a first responder to terrorist attacks or other local emergencies (earthquakes, forest fires, volcanoes), they will be disappointed. The federal government's role is to offer aid upon request.

It wasn't what Jindal said about Katrina that raised Maddow's hackles. It was that as a Republican, he dared say anything about it. Liberals staked a proprietary claim to Katrina years ago and any conservative crossing into their perceived property is automatically guilty, if only of trespassing.

Left wingers do the same when it comes to race, while also decrying an alleged lack of discourse on the subject (Most recent example: Attorney General Eric Holder's "nation of cowards" slander). Indeed, so-called progressives want ever more "dialogue" on Katrina, race, gender, etc. -- the more "candid" the better -- followed by liberals condemning conservatives who follow suit as racist, insensitive, pathological, etc. See how it works?


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jack-coleman/2009/02/27/rachel-maddow-more-shameless-speechless-contorting-jindals-remarks-kat

http://www.charlotteconservative.com/index.php/2009/12/rachel-maddow-falsely-claims-ex-gay-author-gave-support-and-encouragement-for-execution-of-gays-in-uganda/

http://www.politikditto.com/2009/08/rachel-maddows-lies-lead-to-death.html

Those are just the first few I saw.Care me to post more?I think a couple CLEARLY show how she edits clips and makes political points off the edited clips,JUST as you accuse FOX of doing.


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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #53 on: May 26, 2010, 09:01:38 AM »
I don't have time to read all that and sift through what you think is a lie

tell me the lie and I'll check it and see if you are reporting it correctly

try to keep it short as I'm doing other things otherswise I won't be able to look at it until later today

btw - try use your own words and not someone elses

I'll address one point at a time

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #54 on: May 26, 2010, 09:27:13 AM »
I don't have time to read all that and sift through what you think is a lie

tell me the lie and I'll check it and see if you are reporting it correctly

try to keep it short as I'm doing other things otherswise I won't be able to look at it until later today

btw - try use your own words and not someone elses

I'll address one point at a time

I dont have time either.Look at it later if you want.Either way we will never agree,but thats ok.

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #55 on: May 26, 2010, 09:32:43 AM »
Billy:  Straw man is dense beyond belief.  Arguing with him is useless. 


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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #56 on: May 26, 2010, 09:57:21 AM »
Billy:  Straw man is dense beyond belief.  Arguing with him is useless. 



Well you think he is 100% wrong,I think he is 100% wrong but he thinks we are 100% wrong.I always find it amazing that two people can hear or read the exact same thing and seem to hear or read totally different things.I wonder how that happens?

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #57 on: May 26, 2010, 10:55:41 AM »
I dont have time either.Look at it later if you want.Either way we will never agree,but thats ok.

Billy - you're the one who's posting multiple paragraphs of other people paraphrasing Maddow and then telling us what it's supposed to mean.

if you think she's lied about something then post her own words or even better a video clip and then tell me the lie

so far you're proven wrong about the census worker and if you want to try another topic go right ahead

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #58 on: May 26, 2010, 11:00:24 AM »
Anyone have link to video where maddow specifically blames a party for the census worker suicide?

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #59 on: May 26, 2010, 11:28:09 AM »
Billy - you're the one who's posting multiple paragraphs of other people paraphrasing Maddow and then telling us what it's supposed to mean.

if you think she's lied about something then post her own words or even better a video clip and then tell me the lie

so far you're proven wrong about the census worker and if you want to try another topic go right ahead

How am I proven wrong about the census worker.She had three to five shows on it,interviewd the gutless cowards family,then started into a diatribe on how dangerous right wing extremism like that of Beck and Rush is.THE GUY KILLED HIMSELF.There was no right wing hate group,no extremism,no Rush fueled hate.To act like she just has to then get on television and say "it loks like the death was a suicide" is like a newspaper putting that your a child molester in headlines and then printing a retraction on page 12 at the bottom of the page.

She fueled the notion that it was a right wing extremist she was 100% wrong and ginned up hate for no reason.Much like Bill Clinton did by blaming Rush for McVeigh.

However,this is your MO.You excuse Robert Byrds filabuster of the civil rights bill,being a recruiter for the Klan and say "he said he was sorry".So,the left can create mayhem for days but as long as they then say "oh it looks like I was wrong" its fine.Amazing.

However,here is an article WITH a video which shows how not only does she lie,when she is caught in the lie she continues to perpetrate the lie.This is typical Maddow.

http://www.charlotteconservative.com/index.php/2009/12/rachel-maddow-falsely-claims-ex-gay-author-gave-support-and-encouragement-for-execution-of-gays-in-uganda/

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #60 on: May 26, 2010, 11:45:15 AM »
By the way,here is the video of her announcing it was a suicide.She STILL calls it a muder,rolls her eyes that it could be a suicide.This was her admitting its a suicide?



To 240,cant hear this clip at work,but the headline says she blames it on Bachman.In fairness I cant hear it so Im going 100% on the posters word.


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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #61 on: May 26, 2010, 12:36:29 PM »
By the way,here is the video of her announcing it was a suicide.She STILL calls it a muder,rolls her eyes that it could be a suicide.This was her admitting its a suicide?



To 240,cant hear this clip at work,but the headline says she blames it on Bachman.In fairness I cant hear it so Im going 100% on the posters word.



Billy - this is perfect example of your problem - willful ignorance.

You're posting the same clip that I posted on page 2 in response to your false claim that Maddow never mentioned it was suicide.   She reports that it's now being considered more likely to be a suicide.  She doesn't still  call it a murder and she doesn't roll her eyes

here's a "peep"

I barely looked and I found this clip of Maddow reporting that it was now being considered a suicide and said she would report back

mention of Sparkman and suicide is at ~ the 1:20 mark on the clip



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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #62 on: May 26, 2010, 12:46:49 PM »
HOLY SHIT BILLY -

I've been agreeing with you for months on this.  however, after watching the clip YOU provided from the breaking news day - this is what I saw.  SHE NEVER MAKES ANY ASSUMPTION ABOUT IT BEING ANY GROUP.



The day the story breaks----

She cites the AP, according to a LEO source,

The census bureau called it a hate crime.
An apparent homicide, another census speaker.

Then she gave the FBi statement.

Her guest says "IF" this ends up being the work of anti-govt types, and says we have no evidence of that.

maddow says "We are all wondering if it is related to antigovt sentiment - is there any evidence of this?"

Her guest then says that CONCERN remains, but that LEO is keeping their cards close on it.  he says we need ot look at all possible explanations.

He says local census workers are curious, but investigators have said nothing.



Maybe she said it on another day with another broadcast.  She is VERY careful not to do that here.  Do you have another day's clip where she does this?

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #63 on: May 26, 2010, 12:55:01 PM »
240 - I don't think Billy actually bothers to watch the clips.  

Either that or he's like 333 and he watches the clips but then hears and sees something that didn't happen (i.e.  like the clip 333 posted where he insisted Krugman claimed there were death panels).  

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #64 on: May 26, 2010, 01:10:29 PM »
Billy - this is perfect example of your problem - willful ignorance.

You're posting the same clip that I posted on page 2 in response to your false claim that Maddow never mentioned it was suicide.   She reports that it's now being considered more likely to be a suicide.  She doesn't still  call it a murder and she doesn't roll her eyes


At 1:32 she says "whos apparent muder we covered" .Apparent to whom?Only to left wing idiots like her.NOT ONCE did law enforcement ever say it was a murder only left wing loons like her.And from 2:12 to 2:19 she gives details of what they found and its obvious by her tone that she STILL thinks its a murder.

To 240,hey dim wit.I CLEARLY said that I couldnt hear that particular clip.She had three nights worth of shows on it.Once again how much more clear could I be when I posted I cant hear the clip at work so IM going 100% by the posters description.You would think an idiot could figure out when I said "I CANT HEAR THE CLIP AND IM GOING BY THE POSTERS DESCRIPTION" that the clip may not have included that info.

Now,no response on her report of the homosexuals being given the death penalty and her being proven wrong in her report  but STILL snarkely reporting it as a fact?

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #65 on: May 26, 2010, 01:17:13 PM »
240 - I don't think Billy actually bothers to watch the clips.  

Either that or he's like 333 and he watches the clips but then hears and sees something that didn't happen (i.e.  like the clip 333 posted where he insisted Krugman claimed there were death panels).  

Krugman did say they were rationing panels (aka Death Panels) and even now the Medicare nominee is saying there are going to be rationing panels.  All but the brain dead twinks like yourself who are stuffed w obamas' cock up your ass see the reality of this garbage from this communist pofs admn. 

And BTW - you twinks are being played for utter suckers and pathetic fools on the DADT issue just so you can donate $ $ $ to the assholes you vote for in lockstep.   

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #66 on: May 26, 2010, 01:18:44 PM »
Krugman did say they were rationing panels (aka Death Panels) and even now the Medicare nominee is saying there are going to be rationing panels.  All but the brain dead twinks like yourself who are stuffed w obamas' cock up your ass see the reality of this garbage from this communist pofs admn. 

And BTW - you twinks are being played for utter suckers and pathetic fools on the DADT issue just so you can donate $ $ $ to the assholes you vote for in lockstep.   

repost the clip if you'd like to review it again


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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #67 on: May 26, 2010, 01:20:59 PM »
These are the same left wing goof balls that nod their heads when Madow claims gun groups are planning protests in Washington because its the anniversary of Oklahoma City but of course she never mentions that its also the anniversary of Lexington and Concord.She just happens to leave that out in her smug snarky style.

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #68 on: May 26, 2010, 01:22:27 PM »
Krugman did say they were rationing panels (aka Death Panels) and even now the Medicare nominee is saying there are going to be rationing panels.  All but the brain dead twinks like yourself who are stuffed w obamas' cock up your ass see the reality of this garbage from this communist pofs admn. 

And BTW - you twinks are being played for utter suckers and pathetic fools on the DADT issue just so you can donate $ $ $ to the assholes you vote for in lockstep.   

he didn't say their would be rationing either

my recollection is that he said we would not be paying for expensive and unnecessary procedures but somehow your teabag brain converted that into "death panel" and I guess now your brain is turning that into rationing

I'm going from memory so why don't you find the clip (what was it about 32 seconds) and post it again

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #69 on: May 26, 2010, 01:25:17 PM »
And who determines that Straw?  when the plan collapses under its own weight because we are paying for every deadbeat, drug addict, dirtbag, dyke, and dope fiend, even the most inexpensive procedures will be too much for the govt to approve. 

Even now, with the Medicare nomineee claiming we will ration care, you still dont believe it. 

What the hell is wrong with you?   

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #70 on: May 26, 2010, 01:37:28 PM »
At 1:32 she says "whos apparent muder we covered" .Apparent to whom?Only to left wing idiots like her.NOT ONCE did law enforcement ever say it was a murder only left wing loons like her.And from 2:12 to 2:19 she gives details of what they found and its obvious by her tone that she STILL thinks its a murder.

To 240,hey dim wit.I CLEARLY said that I couldnt hear that particular clip.She had three nights worth of shows on it.Once again how much more clear could I be when I posted I cant hear the clip at work so IM going 100% by the posters description.You would think an idiot could figure out when I said "I CANT HEAR THE CLIP AND IM GOING BY THE POSTERS DESCRIPTION" that the clip may not have included that info.

Now,no response on her report of the homosexuals being given the death penalty and her being proven wrong in her report  but STILL snarkely reporting it as a fact?

LOL - so you're going by what you think her tone is and actually ignoring her words

she uses the word apparent to refer to her own first report when it had the appearance of being a murder and given the fact that the guy went to some lengths to make it appear like a murder the use of that word makes perfect sense

again - order t support your point of view you have to willfully ignore everything that contracicts your point of view and instead rely on your gut feeling of things like her tone of voice

you FAIL again

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #71 on: May 26, 2010, 01:43:16 PM »
333 - why did you post the same thing 4 times

go find the clip and show me where he says death panel or rationing

again, that's the point

the person speaks certain words and in your brain you replace them with other words and then wonder why no one agrees with you

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #72 on: May 26, 2010, 02:10:58 PM »
333 - why did you post the same thing 4 times

go find the clip and show me where he says death panel or rationing

again, that's the point

the person speaks certain words and in your brain you replace them with other words and then wonder why no one agrees with you

I have a thread going on the Medicare nominee admitting there is going to be rationing and yet you ignore that.  I posted the Krugman thread when he said what he did and you did your usual deaf dumb and blind routine like you always do. 

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Re: Obama Gets Applause at West Point, Fox Erases It?
« Reply #73 on: May 26, 2010, 02:52:29 PM »
she quoted multiple AP articles and LEO sources who called it a homicide at that time.

So for her to call it a murder is just her repeating what she was given by the law man.