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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #50 on: September 14, 2010, 04:46:08 PM »
WELL NO SHIT EINSTEIN, actually you pretty much nailed it with the examples you gave, good job.
The problem is the rise of china. And population growth, and finite resources. Food willl increase regardless of USA's economy, but that's the thing were finally realizing there are limits to growth.

I don't think the American economy is fucked, but expect hard and difficult choices to come. It won't be the end of the  world. But lets just say expect to live with family in the coming years. As either family members loose pensions, or as cost of living becomes much higher.

China is rising a Billion people, which means they can out do everything we can do for cheap. It's supply and demand, short supply of well managed labor and wages are high, too many people and wages drop. The problem is if american wages drop they can't afford there homes, cars, or secondary goods. On the positive you your economy can't collaspe china is too reliant on you buying their goods at the moment.

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #51 on: September 14, 2010, 06:05:15 PM »
I just farted.

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #52 on: September 14, 2010, 08:54:15 PM »
The world population could double and there would still be plenty of resources to go around.  It's all about using them efficiently.  The fact that the world economy still runs on oil is laughable.  For example, the world should be using A LOT more nuclear technology for energy.  We should quit building so many shopping malls and parking lots and grow more forests and raise more livestock, and grow more crops.  We should all be living in high rises and building up or into the ground instead of outward using up land.  Things like that are what is going to allow us as a planet to become more efficient and deal with population growth.  Short of eugenics or major wars you can't really tell people to stop breeding.

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #53 on: September 14, 2010, 09:08:41 PM »
yes

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #54 on: September 15, 2010, 07:44:09 AM »
The world population could double and there would still be plenty of resources to go around.  It's all about using them efficiently.  The fact that the world economy still runs on oil is laughable.  For example, the world should be using A LOT more nuclear technology for energy.  We should quit building so many shopping malls and parking lots and grow more forests and raise more livestock, and grow more crops.  We should all be living in high rises and building up or into the ground instead of outward using up land.  Things like that are what is going to allow us as a planet to become more efficient and deal with population growth.  Short of eugenics or major wars you can't really tell people to stop breeding.
Lol why double it, and get half as much, it's called condoms. You can tell people not to breed china prevented 400 mil births that would of went straight into poverty. Thats nearly the population of north America FYI. Of course there's too much money to be made in arms dealing, cell phones, and Aid scams for anything to ever be done.

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #55 on: September 15, 2010, 09:37:53 AM »
Lol why double it, and get half as much, it's called condoms. You can tell people not to breed china prevented 400 mil births that would of went straight into poverty. Thats nearly the population of north America FYI. Of course there's too much money to be made in arms dealing, cell phones, and Aid scams for anything to ever be done.

Well I for one would like to have a family.  2-3 kids.  What right do I have to tell other responsible human beings that they cannot procreate.  Now some illegal coming to American and having their anchor babies is a completely different argument. 

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #56 on: September 15, 2010, 09:48:32 AM »
Well I for one would like to have a family.  2-3 kids.  What right do I have to tell other responsible human beings that they cannot procreate.  Now some illegal coming to American and having their anchor babies is a completely different argument. 
Well long as you can pay for it fine by me. The majority of the people being born today, have poor ass parents with no ability to care for them.

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #57 on: September 15, 2010, 09:57:23 AM »
I just farted.
you must be  very proud of yourself.
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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #58 on: September 15, 2010, 11:28:16 AM »
I’m not an economist but You GetBiggers have made some interesting comments here.

Lundgren mentions “family members living together” for a longer period thatn we’ve been accustomed to in the past.

That has been the custom for many years in Hawaii due to the cost of housing and the Asian practice of forming huis in which all family members work and contribute their income in into a financial pool for the benefit of other family members.

Three to four family generations live together in one abode.

Here in Las Vegas we all see the economic downturn on a daily basis. I’ve been in casinos that were just about empty and see thousands of vacant homes that are still owned by the banks because no one is buying them and/or the developer went bankrupt.

I’m somewhat pessimistic when it comes to an economic turnaround but I don’t think we’ll ever see Las Vegas returning to its glory days. At least not within the next 20 years or so.

And regarding McMannus’ comment about “plenty of resources” – I don’t agree with that for one major example which could have an adverse affect on the entire SW region of the US..

Right now the water level at Lake Mead is roughly 100 feet lower than it was just 10 to 11 years ago. It has gotten so low that the boat harbors had to pack up and move to deeper waters.

The Lake supplies Arizona, Nevada, California and northern Mexico and is receding to a level not seen since it was first being filled in the 1930s, stoking fears about water supplies.

Some experts claim that Lake Mead has a 50 percent chance of running dry by 2021.

But none of the hotels ask their guests to take Navy showers and they still serve large glasses of water even it you don’t ask for it.

Just some insights from someone who is not up to date on the economic indicators but can visualize some economic realities within my area of observation.

We’re not doomed but we seem to be heading in that direction.

And the guy who just farted ...... That about sums it up because that's just about how much concern for the future most of us do have.

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #59 on: September 15, 2010, 12:54:14 PM »
stuntmovie I agree with you.  Water is a huge issue.......but we are in the infancy of desalination technology especially in the USA.  Once that technology gets cheaper and more efficient it will take a lot of pressure off other areas of the country.  I'm not one to tinker with nature but if Lake Mead goes drive then so be it.  People will have to move.  While some places are going through dry spells other areas of the world are going through major floods i.e. China and Pakistan.  So on a national level you may be right but on a global scale your argument loses credibility.  On a global scale planet Earth could easily support 2-3 times the population it currently does with the right management, technology, and human ingenuity.  The only question is do your or I want to live in a world like that?  I certainly don't.  I agree with people who say the world population should be dropped down to about 1 billion. 

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #60 on: September 15, 2010, 01:57:16 PM »

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #61 on: September 15, 2010, 11:26:39 PM »
Did you know that your grandparents were making just as much money as you in the 70’s? It may not seem like it but apparently it is true. A new study reveals that wage growth for the average U.S. citizen has been stagnant since 1970. We work more hours and for less money than our parents and grandparents did. How is this so when previous generations never made $30,000 or $40,000 dollars per year?


The United States economy may have grown during the 70’s, 80’s, 90’s, and 2000’s but the salaries of the middle class have not.  The reason for this is inflation. Factor in inflation and wages have not grown in 40 years. The price of goods and services has been outpacing wage growth. Homes, automobiles, electronics, and food all represent a larger percentage of personal income today.  A dollar today does not buy as much as it did in the 60’s.

Take a look at these statistics:

1970’s

- The average salary was $7,564.

- A quart of milk was 33 cents.

- A loaf of bread was 25 cents.

- A dozen eggs were 60 cents.

- A pound of ground beef was 80 cents.

 2009

- The median wage was $32,390*.

- A quart of milk was $1.49.

- A loaf of bread was $2.00.

- A dozen eggs were $1.99.

- A pound of ground beef was $3.99.

Costs can vary for items depending upon your location and the food product. For example, premium breads can run $4 to $5 dollars. Eggs can get as high as $3.99 and leaner cuts of beef can run $5 to $6 per pound.

The point of this illustration is to demonstrate that wages have not risen at all when you look at their buying power. Individuals are making more money today than a generation ago but they are actually getting less for their dollars. As you can see, middle class Americans have struggled just to keep pace with inflation. The wealth that was gained over the past 40 years has trickled upward and not down to the average worker.

*The U.S. median wage was $32,390 per year, according to the most recent data from the Occupational Employment Statistics


nah not true at all

cost of used car sedan 1970?
2009 cost of 1999 toyota avalon with leather $4,500 with v6 ac nice tires and efficient

cost of "pc" in 1970   $1,000,000
cost of pc in 2009    $200

cost of lazer eye surgery to correct need for glasses 2009 $2,500

cost of food at bulk store like costco not that bad

USA has incredible advances in phone med and defense as well.

Problem with avg american is they lost thier work ethic.

90% of 'jobs' produce nothing and must be made up by the 10% engineers/scientists.
Heck we pay people to sit on thier ass! [unemployment/"disabled"/pension]

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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #62 on: September 16, 2010, 12:05:42 AM »
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Re: Anyone worried about the economy?
« Reply #63 on: September 16, 2010, 12:16:18 AM »
also, why would you worry anyways... law enforcement = job security.  you got nothing to sweat friend.

bros like myself... to say it has been a shitstorm would be an understatement.  white collar advertisement sector has been brutalized by the current economic conditions, and the whole situation has made my life a lot more difficult.  more work, for less pay.  and the shit thing is, there is really no end in sight.  this is just how it is going to be for the foreseeable future.  

bench did have a point though, there is absolutely nothing that can be done other than weather the storm.  I just regret not preparing in the first place for such an unforeseen disaster.  


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