All drugs on this athlete?

[Krankenstein]

Look clowns.  Just because you use gear, doesn't mean that you're going to have some badass physique with massive shoulders, sweeping thighs, wide/thick back, etc.  We have to look no further than Mike Arvilla for conclusive proof of this.  For all the gear the guy took, his calves never got bigger than my seven year old's legs. 

It is absolutely clear that Layne trains hard and knows how to diet to get himself dialed in.  Drugs alone cannot do that.  But, like I said before, he is using PEDs.  You can choose to believe it or not.  It makes no difference to me.  However, if you're a true natural bodybuilder, and you really believe Layne is natural, then I feel sorry for you, because you will never be able to achieve the level of muscularity that Layne has.

That is all  

No, douche...THAT is a melt down.   

[Lord of the Roidz]

Who is Mike Arvilla? Never heard of him.

You make good points here, but I honestly don't see him a user.

A lot of people in this thread have been asking for this proof you say you have, where is it? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but if you say "I know for a fact he is using PEDs" then at least offer some proof.

Obviously he doesn't have have any proof or he would. His "proof" is that he thinks Layne looks too muscular to not be taking hormones....or that "GH15" says he's on juice so that's proves it.

[MindSpin]

Obviously he doesn't have have any proof or he would. His "proof" is that he thinks Layne looks too muscular to not be taking hormones....or that "GH15" says he's on juice so that's proves it.

wrong

[Howard]

Look clowns.  Just because you use gear, doesn't mean that you're going to have some badass physique with massive shoulders, sweeping thighs, wide/thick back, etc.  We have to look no further than Mike Arvilla for conclusive proof of this.  For all the gear the guy took, his calves never got bigger than my seven year old's legs. 

It is absolutely clear that Layne trains hard and knows how to diet to get himself dialed in.  Drugs alone cannot do that.  But, like I said before, he is using PEDs.  You can choose to believe it or not.  It makes no difference to me.  However, if you're a true natural bodybuilder, and you really believe Layne is natural, then I feel sorry for you, because you will never be able to achieve the level of muscularity that Layne has.

That is all  

Well, well  your post was a lot more objective Mindspin,and you are right, even a boatload of drugs can't make everyone look like a pro.
However, it still puzzles me why you and so many others feel so strongly that Layne just has to be on drugs. 
I think the guy looks ripped and has a good deadlift, but I see no reason he would need drugs to acomplish it.
I suspect Layne doesn't really care what most of naysayers post. He is enjoying his recent class win at a natural pro meet and life in general.
While we sit here and debate his natural status,  Layne is out there winning shows and lifting big wts in the gym.

[Howard]

Howard, you and I are the same, always talking about how great using gear is and the crave to do it but never just getting on and staying on as we should.  In the back of my mind somewhere I worry it is "unhealthy" but I have no evidence to suggest such a thing.

I did my own experiment back in the 80's and left it behind with no regrets.
For me it is  asimple case of the legal and health risks not being worth it, along with the extra money you have to spend.
Woriking out , bodybuilding and running now are my lifestyle and a fun hobby.
To do a bunch of steroids at this point in my life, seems silly.

To me it is like raw powerlifting vs useing supports, wraps and bench shirts.
I would much rather see what someone can lift with just a lifting singlet or t-shirt and gym shorts on.
Seems to be more of a real sport without all the extra gear to help lift the wt.
I feel the same about the extreme steroid use in BB.

[Lundgren]

Who is Mike Arvilla? Never heard of him.

You make good points here, but I honestly don't see him a user.

A lot of people in this thread have been asking for this proof you say you have, where is it? I'm not trying to be a dick or anything, but if you say "I know for a fact he is using PEDs" then at least offer some proof.

[saucetradomous]

lol.  Just doing what I always do...bursting bubbles

nah man your still good, i thoroughly enjoyed the shit you've been posting in the mike and laura thread.  especially mercedes good side.

[tommywishbone]

It doesn't matter but the dude in the pic is on drugs. Anybody who thinks otherwise simply doesn't know bodybuilding. . . and that's OK too.

[Howard]

It doesn't matter but the dude in the pic is on drugs. Anybody who thinks otherwise simply doesn't know bodybuilding. . . and that's OK too.

I guess my more than 20 yrs as a BB judge were a waste then.
The new drug test, " You can tell by looking at the guy".

[saucetradomous]

hey mindspin, in your opinion do you think it's possible to achieve layne's level of physique naturally? i'm not talking about layne himself but for anyone.

[HTexan]

Not at all.  I know for a fact that he is on gear, which is why he'l never bring this to court.

you still might want to add allegedly to your post man.

[Meso_z]

so Mindspin, how do you know "in fact" he uses? any proof? do you know his dealer or something like that? give us a hint.

I agree with your post and how someone looks on drugs, many "naturals" in here think if someone uses would have to look like Coleman in no time.

[MindSpin]

hey mindspin, in your opinion do you think it's possible to achieve layne's level of physique naturally? i'm not talking about layne himself but for anyone.

I think it's possible to put on the amount of muscle he has. I know a lot of real natties that actually carry more muscle. It's possible to achieve his level of conditioning. Again, I know guys that are almost as ripped as an in shape bodybuilder without dieting. What is not possible is his level of muscularity. The combination of very low BF, muscle fullness and decent amount of muscle.

[Matt C]

I think it's possible to put on the amount of muscle he has. I know a lot of real natties that actually carry more muscle. It's possible to achieve his level of conditioning. Again, I know guys that are almost as ripped as an in shape bodybuilder without dieting. What is not possible is his level of muscularity. The combination of very low BF, muscle fullness and decent amount of muscle.

Although I can't say that I've ever really given bodybuilding a serious run, I think that bodybuilding in generally is basically all drugs.  I just don't think human bodies are meant to hold much muscle.  I don't see any evolutionary benefit to that for starters.  But who knows, maybe I'm wrong.  I would love to be 165 at under 10% body fat.  I think that is realistic, but I never thought much more was realistic, without drugs anyway.

[Howard]

Still have to show where you were hurt financially by the specific actions (allegations)...pretty tough to do in this case.

A law suit over some guy being natural and some silly comments on getbig? wtf? How quick would judge throw that frivilous law suit out of court

New flash! Layne meets the LEGAL and official standard for being natural in his organization by PASSING their drug test.
I doubt many of you naysayers even know how he was tested or understand how drug tests are done.

If a person is accused of drug use and can produce a negative test result, it would be an open and shut case in a court.
Layne's side - actual , drug test from a sanctioned bodybuilding meet. He tested negative for all steroids.

Getbig side. Your honor I can tell by looking at him.hehehehe.

After the judge stops laughing you lose and get thrown out of court .

[Van_Bilderass]

For me it is  asimple case of the legal and health risks not being worth it, along with the extra money you have to spend.

You have to be an extremely cheap bastard if you think steroids are expensive. The cycles you claim you ran would cost maybe 2-10 dollars a week nowadays. That's expensive? For what you get, they cost nothing.

[MindSpin]

you still might want to add allegedly to your post man.

I'm not worried...not one bit.

[Howard]

I'm not worried...not one bit.

LOL, I know it hehehe.
To debate or say whatever on getbig is fun, but to think someone might be serious enough to try for a lawsuit, OMG!
I laugh at a  lot posts here on getbig, especially the negative ones from those like disturbia.
Part of what it makes it funny to me, is why anyone would even get bothered by anything posted on getbig.
I acted all pissed when some stupid pics of my wife were posted with "slut" photoshopped on her head.
It was so lame and silly that it was funny. If you play the game and act all insulted , it never fails to get some more response.

[Coach is Back!]

Athlete? Does he play football? baseball? Looks like a swimmer but he's competing in a bodybuilding contest!

[Lord of the Roidz]

Athlete? Does he play football? baseball? Looks like a swimmer but he's competing in a bodybuilding contest!

If he only looks like a swimmer, why are you insisting he's juiced?

[Anna Recksiek]

I don't know either way but I will say his upper chest, biceps, & shoulders look very good for being natural and in the condition he is in.
As you lose fat you lose a lot of size, perhaps he has been doing this for a while and has it dialed.
I think his traps would be fuller if he were on.

[MindSpin]

I don't this for a fact, but looking at the pics, it appears to me as though there may be some oil in the arms...