Author Topic: still trying to understand please explain  (Read 7077 times)

flinstones1

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7038
  • levroneflinstonee
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #25 on: August 30, 2010, 11:22:37 PM »
3 thousand calories per day is probably your issue. how long have you been at that calorie level? when you gain muscle, your basal metabolic rate increases, so you need more just to maintain.  increase your carbs and fats, try using extra virgin olive oil and other sources of monounsaturated fats, they are great msucle building calories that arent as easy as other fats to be stored as fat.

 5 days a week is quite a bit. thats only 2 days off per week. and youll be training 3 days in a row at best. possibly 5 days in a row. i dont like that too much. if you can, id take a day of rest inbetween every day of lifting (and if you can do that, then youll probably need to create a 3 day split so youll still work out everybody part aroudn once per week. )  do you base your days in the gym on a weekly schedule, ex: mon=chest, tues=back..ect ??  you shouldnt schedule your workouts according to the calendar, but by how recovered your muscles feel. dont train if you dont feel recovered (strength is down, muscle is sore..).   10-12 reps is alright, but you should make sure your consistantly doing sets in the 5-8 rep range, especially for upper body. lower body you can do some sets as high as 20 (or more).  fast twitch muscle ffibers are used for reps above 12 and dont respond very well to growth stimuli(training). slow twitch muscle fibers are used for 1-12 rep range. theres two groups of slow twitch fibers, (type a: 1-5 reps) and (type b: 6-12 reps). slow twitch fibers respond well to training, type B better than type A. so it makes sense to train mostly in the 6-12 rep range. but dont neglect the other two fiber types, 1-5 reps and above 12 reps too.  these rep ranges are assuming good form, remember, keep the weight in the muscle, and out of the joints.

I didnt know that about training with lower reps I always though higher reps are what builds muscle mainly I was doing 12-15 reps for all excercises and 10 at the very least. This makes it much harder to use heavier weights because I have to keep my reps so high. I will go for 6 reps. I am also upping my test dose from 500mg. The most dbol I have taken in around 35mg I read that dbol stops gettting more effective past 40mg I dont know if that is true or not when it comes to human grade I will try it maybe.

As far as volume is concerned I think I will do a three way split like DC.

Monday is chest shoulders and triceps

Wedsday is back biceps legs and forarms

wedsday is chest shoulders triceps

then monday back biceps legs and forarms

I dont like rest pausing but I will do 3 sets of 6 reps per each excercise with heavy weight.

Also I cant eat over 3000 calories without puking. Went out and bought some more whey isolate with ultrafuel and will add two of those shakes per day.

Tbombz I remember you writing that shakes are actually bettter for growth than whole food but most have said the opposite. Can you explain why?
l

tbombz

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19350
  • Psalms 150
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2010, 11:40:54 PM »
im not too sure what your trianing split is. you will train everything twice a week and do 3 sets each muscle, each workout?  make sure your making good progress, strength and size. every week you should be stronger and bigger. if your not, somethings wrong. most likely right now its your calorie intake that has caused you to stop gaining. in fatc, i can guarantee it. if you have trouble getting down food... then shakes aree a great option. and that is specifically why i said i thought shakes were better when looking to add mass - because they are more easily digested and easier to get down than whole food. not just protein shake though, pour in a bunch of carbs too. get some maltodextrin or dextrose powder in bulk, its like 3 bucks a pound. start by adding in a few scoops of carbs to some shakes in addition to what your already eating. if your gains dont pick up, add a little more. you can add in some more fats too if the extra carbs arent doing it. pouring a tablespoon or two of some olive oil into your shakes would be a very easy way to get extra calories.

flinstones1

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 7038
  • levroneflinstonee
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #27 on: September 03, 2010, 10:22:17 AM »
"Humalog in this instance can be ideal “savior” as it would shuttle glucose as it comes, never allowing BG level to go too high and save beta cells from over producing endogenous insulin. " Milos

assuming this is true when it comes to post workout nutrition and consuming refined carbs like dextrose, and assuming it does have the potential to ward off diabetes, would humalog be superior to humalin-R in this regard?

correct me if I am  wrong but it seems  humalin-R will take too long to start working so it never really relieves the pancreas of anything when consuming simple carbs right after a workout. Or will it?






l

tbombz

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19350
  • Psalms 150
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #28 on: September 04, 2010, 07:18:52 PM »
humalog is faster than humalin r. yes.

milos doesnt have any science to prove what hes saying, hes just theorizing. and insulin is not a savior. this game is about progressive overload and caloric excess/defecit depending on bulking/cutting.  steroids help facilitate that process, but thats it.  dont overthink this thing flinstone, its all about consistancy. its much more important that you stay on a decent dose of juice for the next few years and stay in the gym making sure that you getting stronger every week and of course meeting your basic protein/calorie requirements. building a huge body takes years, theres no drugs to shortcut that. even jay cutler took almost a decade of juicing and training before he was any kind of a pro bodybuilder.

MuscleMcMannus

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 6236
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #29 on: September 11, 2010, 10:08:14 AM »
Low reps and heavy weight does not necessarily build more muscle vs. high reps and moderate weight.  This is urban legend bro science bullshit.  In fact there was a new study that just came out touting the muscle building effects of using higher reps and lower weight.  Don't ask me I can't remember where I read it.  Bottomline is there isn't one best way to train if you are a bodybuilder.  You've got to change things up as soon as your body adapts.  The best bodybuilders incorporate all aspects of training dogma.  Low reps, hit, abbreviated, high reps, etc.  To say one way is the best way to train for a certain individual is ignorant of basic muscle and human physiology. 

tbombz

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19350
  • Psalms 150
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #30 on: September 11, 2010, 05:40:05 PM »
Low reps and heavy weight does not necessarily build more muscle vs. high reps and moderate weight.  This is urban legend bro science bullshit.  In fact there was a new study that just came out touting the muscle building effects of using higher reps and lower weight.  Don't ask me I can't remember where I read it.  Bottomline is there isn't one best way to train if you are a bodybuilder.  You've got to change things up as soon as your body adapts.  The best bodybuilders incorporate all aspects of training dogma.  Low reps, hit, abbreviated, high reps, etc.  To say one way is the best way to train for a certain individual is ignorant of basic muscle and human physiology. 
here is what is isnt broscience, and does apply to everyone, and it is most definitely the best way to train.

grab a weight that is about 80-90% of 1 rpm, and do 3-5 sets with it. you should be able to get at least 2 reps in every set and no more than 5 reps in any set. keep using this same amount of weight and keep doing the same number of total sets in every workout. once you have built up enough strength to lift that weight for at least 8 reps in every set, increase the amount of weight so you can only do 2-5 reps for however many sets you had been doing previouisly.  keep using the new, heavier weight untill you once again have built up your strength to the point where you can use the weight for at least 8 reps, blah blah blah


progressive overload coupled with sufficient rest and adequate frequency

4thAD

  • Guest
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2010, 12:13:10 PM »
here is what is isnt broscience, and does apply to everyone, and it is most definitely the best way to train.

grab a weight that is about 80-90% of 1 rpm, and do 3-5 sets with it. you should be able to get at least 2 reps in every set and no more than 5 reps in any set. keep using this same amount of weight and keep doing the same number of total sets in every workout. once you have built up enough strength to lift that weight for at least 8 reps in every set, increase the amount of weight so you can only do 2-5 reps for however many sets you had been doing previouisly.  keep using the new, heavier weight untill you once again have built up your strength to the point where you can use the weight for at least 8 reps, blah blah blah


progressive overload coupled with sufficient rest and adequate frequency

Been training in a similar way for years. Rep range from 4-6. Works very well. Using a 5x5 method now and that works well also.

Luolamies

  • Getbig IV
  • ****
  • Posts: 2520
  • Getbig!
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2010, 01:39:41 PM »
Been training in a similar way for years. Rep range from 4-6. Works very well. Using a 5x5 method now and that works well also.

Sounds like a combination of rest pause, german volume and old school mentzer...
TEST+DECA+DBOL=BIG

tbombz

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 19350
  • Psalms 150
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2010, 05:38:06 PM »
progressive overload is the only way to grow! juice or no juice.  stick with one weight untill you can rep it too many times, then make a big leap up in weight to something you can only rep a couple times, and stick with that new weight untill you can rep it too many times. real simple idea, pretty much common sense, yet so many people are so lost and confused when it comes to training. people lifting the same amount of weight for months, years, never getting stronger, never getting any bigger.

Anna Recksiek

  • Getbig III
  • ***
  • Posts: 524
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #34 on: September 21, 2010, 06:13:13 PM »
Sounds like overtraining and under eating.
If you can't eat enough to support over 190 lbs
at the dosages you're then maybe bodybuilding isn't the right sport for you.
No offense intended though, it may take some time off
to help break past your current weight set point.

Master Blaster

  • Getbig V
  • *****
  • Posts: 6610
  • Not sure if getbig full of trolls or trolls getbig
Re: still trying to understand please explain
« Reply #35 on: September 21, 2010, 07:43:40 PM »
Low reps and heavy weight does not necessarily build more muscle vs. high reps and moderate weight.  This is urban legend bro science bullshit.  In fact there was a new study that just came out touting the muscle building effects of using higher reps and lower weight.  Don't ask me I can't remember where I read it.  Bottomline is there isn't one best way to train if you are a bodybuilder.  You've got to change things up as soon as your body adapts.  The best bodybuilders incorporate all aspects of training dogma.  Low reps, hit, abbreviated, high reps, etc.  To say one way is the best way to train for a certain individual is ignorant of basic muscle and human physiology. 

Right, wouldn't you want to constanly change things up?