How many bb use Heavy Duty?

[buffdnet]

I'm 54. i do my own version of hit dogshit training.
it's what i teach my clients no wait that's goodcums line
for the guy that is all swimmer such as myself and damn near
all of you, volume is dumb as fuck except during so called cruises.
the cruises are for pump, bullshit intensity like all volume training, where the hit is not.

if alot of you did less warmups sets and reps and rethought your
weight progression (and why) used in sets, you would put 5-10
on your bench single in a week 2 max. by doing alot less and
cheating to get thru barriers you
fucking swimmers could  seated curl the 60's strict instead of
heaving the 40's on the goddamn floor after your 3rd monumentally intense set.


david henry was doing some sort of hit. only pro i half ass give any respect

[Smanjh]

Don't forget that pure strength is also genetic, things like tendon thickness, tendon length, structure, etc. affect how strong someone can be.

I'm a volume trainer and I agree that every training program should be geared towards getting stronger to some degree, but unfortunately this has been misinterpreted by some that think strength is the only way to overload a muscle, which is not true.
Also, some guys try to get stronger by any means and start lifting sloppily, cheating and using too much momentum.....thus not stimulating the target muscle to its fullest.

As far as the biggest guys being the strongest, that's not always true. Actually I've seen plenty of really strong guys with no muscular development whatsoever, at least not the type they should have for their strength.

That is true to a point, but I am saying someone like Jay Cutler, who uses volume training but is not as strong as someone like Yates on things still uses the weight on a bar to know where he is headed.

What I am saying:

You can not go and buy 225 pounds worth of weight and get very far no matter how much volume you do, your stuck with 225 pounds.

Now yes, the limiting factor with HIT is the sticking point or lack of overload with the one set, especially when those sets are a week or more apart.

But to me HIT is everything under a giant umbrella that is not Weider pumping that goes unprogrammed and expected to just keep you progressing in a linear fashion. I say that because without HIT, us guys that got our information from Arnie's book would still be doing the same stuff without thinking about it.

I am certainly not calling ALL intelligent programs HIT, but I give it credit for teaching outside the box thinking if a muscle mag was your only point of reference before, and that really came from Mentzer since he always said to question everything.

[Smanjh]

I'm 54. i do my own version of hit dogshit training.
it's what i teach my clients no wait that's goodcums line
for the guy that is all swimmer such as myself and damn near
all of you, volume is dumb as fuck except during so called cruises.
the cruises are for pump, bullshit intensity like all volume training, where the hit is not.

if alot of you did less warmups sets and reps and rethought your
weight progression (and why) used in sets, you would put 5-10
on your bench single in a week 2 max. by doing alot less and
cheating to get thru barriers you
fucking swimmers could  seated curl the 60's strict instead of
heaving the 40's on the goddamn floor after your 3rd monumentally intense set.


david henry was doing some sort of hit. only pro i half ass give any respect

Great points when you read through the lines. Juiced up guys do need more, IFBB pros for the most part can do whatever the hell they want and grow. The same goes for normal genetics on the sauce.

My only point is that you have to draw a line and avoid the 'I must do' mentality. If your planning 3 sets and the first one feels harder, guess what, your over reaching faster than you thought.

[JP_RC]

That is true to a point, but I am saying someone like Jay Cutler, who uses volume training but is not as strong as someone like Yates on things still uses the weight on a bar to know where he is headed.

What I am saying:

You can not go and buy 225 pounds worth of weight and get very far no matter how much volume you do, your stuck with 225 pounds.

Now yes, the limiting factor with HIT is the sticking point or lack of overload with the one set, especially when those sets are a week or more apart.

But to me HIT is everything under a giant umbrella that is not Weider pumping that goes unprogrammed and expected to just keep you progressing in a linear fashion. I say that because without HIT, us guys that got our information from Arnie's book would still be doing the same stuff without thinking about it.

I am certainly not calling ALL intelligent programs HIT, but I give it credit for teaching outside the box thinking if a muscle mag was your only point of reference before, and that really came from Mentzer since he always said to question everything.

Good points.

I agree that HIT brought some new ideas for training that've helped many, Arthur Jones had some pretty good concepts.

The only apsect of HIT I've never been able to agree with is the low volume of work. Of course 20 sets 3x week is too much, as is 2 sets 1x week to the other extreme, but somewhere in the middle is good.

[Smanjh]

Good points.

I agree that HIT brought some new ideas for training that've helped many, Arthur Jones had some pretty good concepts.

The only apsect of HIT I've never been able to agree with is the low volume of work. Of course 20 sets 3x week is too much, as is 2 sets 1x week to the other extreme, but somewhere in the middle is good.

Right, the 'one valid theory' is correct, there has to be one concept or underlying concept that happens for the most part, otherwise some would need strength in relation to their starting point, and other would grow and get weaker, if that makes sense.

But Mentzer pursued 1 workout program, 1 dogmatic way of doing things. My workout works for all mankind sort of thing, and the answer was never to do more. As a trainer, he had it easy, "Sorry the 1 set of deadlifts ever 14 days is not working, your at your genetic potential" type of thing is easy to tell a 'true believer'.

He himself did so many different things and unfortunately he never really drew the right conclusions. Everyone that came to him was either in a bad over reaching state and thus the 30 minutes a week helped a lot and allowed them to sort of slingshot over their previous best, or they were doing retarded workouts from the get go (give me a fly/curl pumper and I will work miracles with him, you would too).