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Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
« on: October 15, 2010, 10:00:20 AM »
Just a reality check to make you all aware of the extent to which your government will go (and waste your tax dollars) in the pursuit of imaginary evidence an the violation of citizens rights.

Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back


 
A California student got a visit from the FBI this week after he found a secret GPS tracking device on his car, and a friend posted photos of it online. The post prompted wide speculation about whether the device was real, whether the young Arab-American was being targeted in a terrorism investigation and what the authorities would do.

It took just 48 hours to find out: The device was real, the student was being secretly tracked and the FBI wanted its expensive device back, the student told Wired.com in an interview Wednesday.

The answer came when half-a-dozen FBI agents and police officers appeared at Yasir Afifi’s apartment complex in Santa Clara, California, on Tuesday demanding he return the device.

Afifi, a 20-year-old U.S.-born citizen, cooperated willingly and said he’d done nothing to merit attention from authorities. Comments the agents made during their visit suggested he’d been under FBI surveillance for three to six months.

An FBI spokesman wouldn’t acknowledge that the device belonged to the agency or that agents appeared at Afifi’s house.

“I can’t really tell you much about it, because it’s still an ongoing investigation,” said spokesman Pete Lee, who works in the agency’s San Francisco headquarters.

Afifi, the son of an Islamic-American community leader who died a year ago in Egypt, is one of only a few people known to have found a government-tracking device on their vehicle.

His discovery comes in the wake of a recent ruling by the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals saying it’s legal for law enforcement to secretly place a tracking device on a suspect’s car without getting a warrant, even if the car is parked in a private driveway.

Brian Alseth from the American Civil Liberties Union in Washington state contacted Afifi after seeing pictures of the tracking device posted online and told him the ACLU had been waiting for a case like this to challenge the ruling.

“This is the kind of thing we like to throw lawyers at,” Afifi said Alseth told him.

“It seems very frightening that the FBI have placed a surveillance-tracking device on the car of a 20-year-old American citizen who has done nothing more than being half-Egyptian,” Alseth told Wired.com.

Afifi, a business marketing student at Mission College in Santa Clara, discovered the device last Sunday when he took his car to a local garage for an oil change. When a mechanic at Ali’s Auto Care raised his Ford Lincoln LS on hydraulic lifts, Afifi saw a wire sticking out near the right rear wheel and exhaust.

Garage owner Mazher Khan confirmed for Wired.com that he also saw it. A closer inspection showed it connected to a battery pack and transmitter, which were attached to the car with a magnet. Khan asked Afifi if he wanted the device removed and when Afifi said yes, Khan pulled it easily from the car’s chassis.

“I wouldn’t have noticed it if there wasn’t a wire sticking out,” Afifi said.

Later that day, a friend of Afifi’s named Khaled posted pictures of the device at Reddit, asking if anyone knew what it was and if it meant the FBI “is after us.” (Reddit is owned by CondeNast Digital, which also owns Wired.com).

“My plan was to just put the device on another car or in a lake,” Khaled wrote, “but when you come home to 2 stoned off-their-asses people who are hearing things in the device and convinced it’s a bomb you just gotta be sure.”

A reader quickly identified it as an Orion Guardian ST820 tracking device made by an electronics company called Cobham, which sells the device only to law enforcement.

No one was available at Cobham to answer Wired.com’s questions, but a former FBI agent who looked at the pictures confirmed it was a tracking device.

The former agent, who asked not to be named, said the device was an older model of tracking equipment that had long ago been replaced by devices that don’t require batteries. Batteries die and need to be replaced if surveillance is ongoing so newer devices are placed in the engine compartment and hardwired to the car’s battery so they don’t run out of juice. He was surprised this one was so easily found.

“It has to be able to be removed but also stay in place and not be seen,” he said. “There’s always the possibility that the car will end up at a body shop or auto mechanic, so it has to be hidden well. It’s very rare when the guys find them.”

He said he was certain that agents who installed it would have obtained a 30-day warrant for its use.

Afifi considered selling the device on Craigslist before the FBI showed up. He was in his apartment Tuesday afternoon when a roommate told him “two sneaky-looking people” were near his car. Afifi, already heading out for an appointment, encountered a man and woman looking at his vehicle outside. The man asked if Afifi knew his registration tag was expired. When Afifi asked if it bothered him, the man just smiled. Afifi got into his car and headed for the parking lot exit when two SUVs pulled up with flashing lights carrying four police officers in bullet-proof vests.

The agent who initially spoke with Afifi identified himself then as Vincent and told Afifi, “We’re here to recover the device you found on your vehicle. It’s federal property. It’s an expensive piece, and we need it right now.”

Afifi asked, “Are you the guys that put it there?” and the agent replied, “Yeah, I put it there.” He told Afifi, “We’re going to make this much more difficult for you if you don’t cooperate.”

Afifi retrieved the device from his apartment and handed it over, at which point the agents asked a series of questions – did he know anyone who traveled to Yemen or was affiliated with overseas training? One of the agents produced a printout of a blog post that Afifi’s friend Khaled allegedly wrote a couple of months ago. It had “something to do with a mall or a bomb,” Afifi said. He hadn’t seen it before and doesn’t know the details of what it said. He found it hard to believe Khaled meant anything threatening by the post.

“He’s a smart kid and is not affiliated with anything extreme and never says anything stupid like that,” Afifi said. “I’ve known that guy my whole life. “

The agents told Afifi they had other agents outside Khaled’s house.

“If you want us to call them off and not talk to him we can do that,” Afifi said they told him. “That was weird. [...] I didn’t really believe anything they were saying.”

When he later asked Khaled about the post, his friend recalled “writing something stupid,” but said he wasn’t involved in any wrongdoing. Khaled declined to discuss the issue with Wired.com.

The female agent, who handed Afifi a card, identified herself as Jennifer Kanaan and said she was Lebanese. She spoke some Arabic to Afifi and through the course of her comments indicated she knew what restaurants he and his girlfriend frequented. She also congratulated him on his new job. Afifi recently got laid off from his job, but on the same day was hired as an international sales manager of laptops and computers for Cal Micro in San Jose.

The agents also knew he was planning a short business trip to Dubai in a few weeks. Afifi said he often travels for business and has two teenage brothers in Egypt whom he supports financially. They live with an aunt. His U.S.-born mother, who divorced his father five years ago, lives in Arizona.

Afifi’s father, Aladdin Afifi, was a U.S. citizen and former president of the Muslim Community Association here, before his family moved to Egypt in 2003. Yasir Afifi returned to the United States alone in 2008, while his father and brothers stayed in Egypt, to further his education he said. He knows he’s on a federal watchlist and is regularly taken aside at airports for secondary screening.

Six months ago, a former roommate of his was visited by FBI agents who said they wanted to speak with Afifi. Afifi contacted one agent and was told the agency received an anonymous tip from someone saying he might be a threat to national security. Afifi told the agent he was willing to answer questions if his lawyer approved. But after Afifi’s lawyer contacted the agency, he never heard from the feds again until he found their tracking device.

“I don’t think they were surprised that I found it,” he told Wired.com. “I’m sure they knew when I found it. [...] One of the first questions they asked me was if I was at a mechanics shop last Sunday. I said yes, that’s where I found this stupid device under my car.”

Afifi’s attorney, who works for the civil liberties-focused Council on American Islamic Relations, said this kind of tracking is more egregious than the kind her office usually sees.

“The idea that it escalates to this level is unusual,” said Zahra Billoo. “We take about one new case each week relating to FBI or law enforcement visits [to clients]. Generally they come to the individual’s house or workplace, and there are issues that arise from that.”

However, she said that after learning about Afifi’s experience, other lawyers in her organization told her they knew of two people in Ohio who also recently discovered tracking devices on their vehicles.

Afifi’s encounter with the FBI ended with the agents telling him not to worry.

“We have all the information we needed,” they told him. “You don’t need to call your lawyer. Don’t worry, you’re boring. “

They shook his hand and left.


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Re: Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2010, 10:17:46 AM »
He should smash it with a hammer, take a shit on it, wipe it in disease ridden maggots, piss on it, wrap it in a pile of newspaper, and then send it back. 

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Re: Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2010, 08:04:45 PM »
He should smash it with a hammer, take a shit on it, wipe it in disease ridden maggots, piss on it, wrap it in a pile of newspaper, and then send it back. 

That would be willful damage to Federal property, which would only put him in more hot water.

Besides, the destruction of federal property would be a waste of tax-payer money no?
When did you start advocating the waste of tax-payer resources?

The only way to have gotten away with that would've been to have destroyed it the moment he found it on his vehicle.
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Re: Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2010, 09:55:01 PM »
That would be willful damage to Federal property, which would only put him in more hot water.

Besides, the destruction of federal property would be a waste of tax-payer money no?
When did you start advocating the waste of tax-payer resources?

The only way to have gotten away with that would've been to have destroyed it the moment he found it on his vehicle.

So much for you standing up for the rights of the citizen. What happened to their right to privacy? How about the INVASION and possible destruction/damage to his car to install this device? If his car has this device, how many other cars also unknowing to the owner have something like this installed?

He should have sprayed the damn thing with ANTHRAX, EBOLA, HANTA VIRUS and that FLESH EATING BACTERIA and gleefully handed it back to them... then watched the fall out.
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Re: Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2010, 09:57:02 PM »
who the fuk is 24KT??  :D

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Re: Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2010, 10:42:45 PM »
So much for you standing up for the rights of the citizen. What happened to their right to privacy? How about the INVASION and possible destruction/damage to his car to install this device? If his car has this device, how many other cars also unknowing to the owner have something like this installed?

I am all for standing up for the rights of the citizen, but a citizen's right to privacy is not a pass to destroy federal property. As for how many other vehicles have something like this installed... I dunno. You might wanna contact the FBI for those stats.

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He should have sprayed the damn thing with ANTHRAX, EBOLA, HANTA VIRUS and that FLESH EATING BACTERIA and gleefully handed it back to them... then watched the fall out.

Oh... and since when is the introduction of a lethal and highly contagious pathogen into society not considered a terrorist act? Someone invading your privacy and violating your privacy rights, doesn't give you leave to kill and/or maim hundreds if not thousands of innocent people. I don't care how righteously & justifiably pissed off you may be.
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« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2010, 10:43:52 PM »
who the fuk is 24KT??  :D

She 999.999% pure.  ;)
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Re: Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2010, 11:19:39 PM »
 
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I am all for standing up for the rights of the citizen, but a citizen's right to privacy is not a pass to destroy federal property. As for how many other vehicles have something like this installed... I dunno. You might wanna contact the FBI for those stats.

That "Federal Property" was purchased with CITIZENS MONEY and therefore it is rightly the citizens property. Add to this in america supposedly the government IS THE PEOPLE...not the bunch of FREAKS presently in office looking to get their rocks off believing they have power over the masses and/or that they are ABOVE THE LAW. Also since there was no indication of WHO put this device on/in the persons car...the person has EVERY RIGHT TO DESTROY SOMETHING THAT IS NOT INDIGENOUS TO THE CAR OR WAS ILLEGALLY PLACED THERE BY SOMEONE ELSE FOR WILLFUL REASONS...

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Oh... and since when is the introduction of a lethal and highly contagious pathogen into society not considered a terrorist act? Someone invading your privacy and violating your privacy rights, doesn't give you leave to kill and/or maim hundreds if not thousands of innocent people. I don't care how righteously & justifiably pissed off you may be.

When society thinks it has the right to invade my home, car, possessions and place things therein that can cause harm of all type up to  and including death... I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO PROTECT MYSELF. Self Preservation of self and loved ones is of the highest order no matter what land one lives in. So far as killing thousands of innocent....No one is innocent when they violate the rights of another or work for LETTER AGENCIES that do... Did you forget the recent admittance by the US government of infecting Guatemalans with Syphilis... something also done in america, causing an agonizing death. How about the US being implicated in it release of a US made weaponized anthrax after 911 on itself? Did it care about the populace when it did this? How about the use of WHITE PHOSPHORUS or DU in Iraq?... just to steal their oil. How about the pharmaceuticals companies that knowingly sell drugs that cause strokes, heart attacks, cancers, diabetes, blood pressure issues etc etc which effects millions world wide? Toxic Compounds dumped into the ocean, seas, lands, foods? The foul acts the US government has done and is still doing world wide is beyond disturbing and is killing in the millions each year...do you think it is not justifiable killing those who excuse themselves from the guilt of killing? That's not being pissed off...THAT'S FOLLOWING THE LAW.
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Re: Caught Spying on Student, FBI Demands GPS Tracker Back
« Reply #8 on: October 16, 2010, 02:16:53 AM »

That "Federal Property" was purchased with CITIZENS MONEY and therefore it is rightly the citizens property. Add to this in america supposedly the government IS THE PEOPLE...not the bunch of FREAKS presently in office looking to get their rocks off believing they have power over the masses and/or that they are ABOVE THE LAW. Also since there was no indication of WHO put this device on/in the persons car...the person has EVERY RIGHT TO DESTROY SOMETHING THAT IS NOT INDIGENOUS TO THE CAR OR WAS ILLEGALLY PLACED THERE BY SOMEONE ELSE FOR WILLFUL REASONS...

That's why I said the time to have destroyed it should have been when he first removed it from the vehicle.

Since he didn't, ...it would have been ill-advised to destroy it after the FBI showed up seeking it's return. At that point you ARE and have been made fully aware of who the property belongs to. Therefore destroying it would be a clear case of willful destruction of federal gov property. You do that at your own discretion... sometimes you just have to know when to choose your battles.

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When society thinks it has the right to invade my home, car, possessions and place things therein that can cause harm of all type up to  and including death... I HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO PROTECT MYSELF. Self Preservation of self and loved ones is of the highest order no matter what land one lives in. So far as killing thousands of innocent....No one is innocent when they violate the rights of another or work for LETTER AGENCIES that do... Did you forget the recent admittance by the US government of infecting Guatemalans with Syphilis... something also done in america, causing an agonizing death. How about the US being implicated in it release of a US made weaponized anthrax after 911 on itself? Did it care about the populace when it did this? How about the use of WHITE PHOSPHORUS or DU in Iraq?... just to steal their oil. How about the pharmaceuticals companies that knowingly sell drugs that cause strokes, heart attacks, cancers, diabetes, blood pressure issues etc etc which effects millions world wide? Toxic Compounds dumped into the ocean, seas, lands, foods? The foul acts the US government has done and is still doing world wide is beyond disturbing and is killing in the millions each year...do you think it is not justifiable killing those who excuse themselves from the guilt of killing? That's not being pissed off...THAT'S FOLLOWING THE LAW.

Protecting yourself is one thing, ...reckless endangerment of your fellow man is quite another.
I am well aware of the false flag attack upon America by the US gov itself when it released weapons grade anthrax from FT Detrick <sp?> I'm also aware of the many attrocities committed both at home and abroad, the millions who have been killed, and who are being killed, and those hardly given any consideration, dumped into the category collateral damage and disposed of without a 2nd thought, ...it also wouldn't surprise me to know the US government has committed far greater attrocities that we at this point don't even know about, ...HOWEVER, you're no better than that which you seek to destroy if you choose to adopt their methods. If you're better than that, ...it's not enough to simply say it, you need to demonstrate it by your actions, by what you're willing or unwilling to do.
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