What is Mindspin's problem with Fedor?

[MindSpin]

So you admit he was #1? no one stays #1 forever

Yes, I agree he was #1 about 5 years ago.  No one can dispute that.

[Shockwave]

Holly smokes!  Someone who gets it!

QFT!!!

Dude, I dunno what youre thinking, most of us agree with that statement.
That doesnt explain your random Fedor hate, if you agree with him. It makes no sense.

[pellius]

Folks,

The moral of the story is very simple.

Fedor has been defeated.  He wasn't defeated by a top-ranked, heavyweight fighter.  He was simply defeated by an average fighter, who has very strong BJJ skills (Strong as in a black belt in jujitsu).

What does this teach us?

Anyone can be defeated on any given day.  No one is perfect and infallible.  Fedor made a HUGE mistake in thinking that he can underestimate another fighter's top level jujitsu skills.  In doing so, Fedor lost the match in a pathetic way.

Does Fedor still have the BEST record in MMA?  Yes.

Does anyone think that Fedor is not a great fighter? No.

Will Fedor now HAVE to redeem himself and prove the legitimacy of his great record (i.e. regain his rank) by potentially joining the UFC and beating not just one, but maybe 4-5 of their top-ranked, heavyweight fighters? YES.


Like anyone else who has been a fan of the sport, I appreciate what Fedor brings to MMA, but let's face it folks, he got whooped, plain and simple..



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This posts should put an end to this thread. Nothing more to add.

[Captain Equipoise]

Fedor's record is questionable, but I agree that this is subjective.

What is not subjective is that Fedor is NOT currently ranked #1 and WILL NEVER get it back unless he fights in the UFC. This is all I care about.

Got to fight TOP RANKED guys to earn and keep #1 status.

Questionable !?!! 31 victories is questionable ?!?!? dude i don't care if they're ALL cans, 31 straight victories is INSANE for any athletic performance, just like Lesnar's 105 NCAA victories are impressive as fuck! stop talking about shit you know nothing about.

Getting in a cage to fight someone there is a 50/50 chance of you losing , ALWAYS. Whether it's by getting beaten or beating yourself like in Fedor's loss.

[suckmymuscle]

You like cracking yourself up don't you?  Let me school for a minute.  GSP has absolutely cleaned out his division.  The only thing left for him at 170, is rematches or crappy fighters like Hardy.  I believe that once he breaks the record for most title defenses and consecutive UFC wins, he will move to 185, and do some damage there.

Now, let me take this opportunity to show you just how supid Fedor is, and how brilliant guys like GSP & Anderson are.  Fedor tried to make a career by beating guys are their own game.  He beat Cropcop on his feet and he beat Nog on the ground.  Very risky thing to do.  If you win, you're a stud.  If you lose, you lose big.  And, he just learned this lesson.  He jumped into Werdums guard thinking he could beat him at his own game, and then quickly realized that Werdum's BJJ is no joke.  Fedor got fucked.

Guys like GSP and Anderson are so well rounded, that they can find their opponents weaknesses and exploit them.  That's why Anderson didn't go to the ground with Leitis and why GSP didn't stand with Hardy.  That is also why those guys rarely take damage in their fights.

BTW, to answer your question, Fedor fought Renato Sobral, a light heavyweight, and took him to decision.  Chuck Liddell KOd Sobral twice.

"LOL"

  Dude, you have just made the point of how great Fedor is. By your own admission, he made a career of fighting grapplers and wrestlers on the ground and strikers standing and still managed to remain undefeated for a decade. You would have a point if those guys were cans but...by your own admission, Fedor fought consistenly the best heavyweights in the World from 2003-2006. What other fighter could remain undefeated for three years fighting the very best fighters in his weight class and beating them at their own game? Not Anderson, not GSP, only Fedor. You have just made the case for him being the greatest ever.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[theonlyone]

 Fedor invites anyone to his club to fight him, anyone. He just said that one need that list from doctor where it says that the person is sane!

[suckmymuscle]

Fedor invites anyone to his club to fight him, anyone. He just said that one need that list from doctor where it says that the person is sane!

  He has? I am not aware of this.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[w8m8]

Folks,

The moral of the story is very simple.

Fedor has been defeated.  He wasn't defeated by a top-ranked, heavyweight fighter.  He was simply defeated by an average fighter, who has very strong BJJ skills (Strong as in a black belt in jujitsu).

What does this teach us?

Anyone can be defeated on any given day.  No one is perfect and infallible.  Fedor made a HUGE mistake in thinking that he can underestimate another fighter's top level jujitsu skills.  In doing so, Fedor lost the match in a pathetic way.

Does Fedor still have the BEST record in MMA?  Yes.

Does anyone think that Fedor is not a great fighter? No.

Will Fedor now HAVE to redeem himself and prove the legitimacy of his great record (i.e. regain his rank) by potentially joining the UFC and beating not just one, but maybe 4-5 of their top-ranked, heavyweight fighters? YES.


Like anyone else who has been a fan of the sport, I appreciate what Fedor brings to MMA, but let's face it folks, he got whooped, plain and simple..



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well said

[MindSpin]

well said

x2

[OneMoreRep]

History teaches us again and again, that even the best fighters, armies and nations can fall on any given day due to even the slightest miscalculation.

Fedor is no different.  I just hope that he now continues to fight top fighters and forgets about easy paydays with no-name bums.  He should put his pride to the side, not make such a big deal about his team's needs and join the UFC.  

If he manages to defeat 3-4 top heavyweights and get the belt, I don't think anyone would have any issue in stating that he is the best or at least one of the best fighters of all time.

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[freespirit]

If he manages to defeat 3-4 top heavyweights and get the belt, I don't think anyone would have any issue in stating that he is the best or at least one of the best fighters of all time.

Anyone except mindspin.

[suckmymuscle]

History teaches us again and again, that even the best fighters, armies and nations can fall on any given day due to even the slightest miscalculation.

Fedor is no different.  I just hope that he now continues to fight top fighters and forgets about easy paydays with no-name bums.  He should put his pride to the side, not make such a big deal about his team's needs and join the UFC.  

If he manages to defeat 3-4 top heavyweights and get the belt, I don't think anyone would have any issue in stating that he is the best or at least one of the best fighters of all time.

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  This is one of the best posts of the year. The great Roman army at the peak of it's power was crushed in Teutoburg by a technologically and organizationally inferior army because the Roman commander Varus was inexperienced and he got himself into an impossible position.

  Fedor lost to Werdum because he decided to fight a BJJ match against the BJJ World champion. He escaped the first submission attempt which according to Werdum 99% of BJJ black belts wouldn't, but he pressed his luck and got caught the second time. Fedor's defeat to Werdum doesen't prove that Fedor is not the best MMA fighter in the World: it proves that he is not the best grappler and that the World BJJ champion will submit anyone, even Fedor, in a grappling match. Fedor lost because he was stupid and decided to fight the best in the World at the area where he is the best in the World. Fedor's grappling is good enough to stand up to BJJ black belts and win(Minotauro) but a 5th degree BJJ black belt and World champion is too much on the ground even for Fedor. He should have knocked Werdum out or won by points on the stand-up. Idiot Fedor. Dumbass.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[suckmymuscle]

  And yep, if there is one moment when Fedor could win the UFC heavyweight belt it is now. Cain is a more technical wrestler than Brock, but Brock would give Fedor more problems due to his enormous strength advantage. Cain is a soft 245 lbs, so he doesen't have the strength to overwhelm Fedor and escape from submissions. Fedor would either knock Cain out or submit him on the ground. Brock would be much harder for Fedor to win and would give more problems.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[MindSpin]

Anyone except mindspin.

Not true.  My only beef with Fedor is that for the last 5 years he's been ducking top competition and going for the easy paydays.  And, even doing that he lost to Werdum.

If he were to run through the top 5 heavy weights today (Cain, JDS, Carwin, Alistar, etc.) I would consider him the best today and ever.

[OneMoreRep]

This is one of the best posts of the year.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

Thank you, thank you very much..

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[suckmymuscle]

  I hope Fedor goes to the UFC and shuts up the haters for good. I had my doubts whether Fedor could win the UFC heavyweight belt, but after what happened in the Brock vs Cain fight, I have no doubts that Fedor could win the UFC heavyweight belt. Fedor at his best would completely outclass Velasquez. He would put Cain to sleep either on the stand up or ground. Fedor is the perfect antidote for a skilled wrestler like Cain because no one can give submissions from his back as well as Fedor. No one in MMA, not even Carwin, has the viscious KO power that Fedor has. Brock would be much harder to beat due to his power and speed, but Cain is someone tailor made for Fedor.

SUCKMYMUSCLE