Why is or is not an ar-15 better than an ak-47?

[suckmymuscle]

for starters...ammo type, barrel rifling, barrel length...etc, etc.

the ak is a 7.62mm weapon

the m16 is 5.56mm

by your thought process...a handgun should be as accurate as a long rifle.

again, your theory and your life is riddled with failure...dumbass.

  Instead of making personal attacks like a child, you could simply explain what you mean. Making blanket statements is always a poor way to have a debate.

  And where have I said anything about hand guns? Nice straw man argument there. We are not comparing a rifle to a hand gun; rather, two rifles to each other.

  The only two factors that affect accuracy, besides the guy using the gun, is the length of the barrel and the recoil. Since there isn't much of a difference in these two things between the AK-47 and AR-15 is why I said that they are probably equally as good as far as accuracy. Everything else you've said is redundant and doesen't affect accuracy.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Ex Coelis]

Since when does Canada need that kind of fire power for their mounties?

we've been at war in Afghanistan for the greater part of the last decade

try to keep up

[Ex Coelis]

you seen the new SR-25 yet?

bench

I had to Google it so I'm gonna say no . . . 

[makaveli25]

I think it depends what needs you have out of your battle rifle. If I was in the swamp, forrest, jungle I would want an AK. You don't have to worry as much about dirt and sand jamming up the gun. The AK is a great brush gun. The 7.62x39 round will penetrate barriers better than the 5.56 round. If I was in the desert or flat area where I was more worried about accuracy I would take an ar15. I like the piston driven ar15's like bench said. The newer ones you don't have the tilt carrier issues.

This is what I'm getting myslef soon



This is the sgl-21 by saiga. One of the best ak's on the market. They're Russian made. It's and ak-74 a little bit different. Has similar ballistics of the ar15 round. Shoots flatter and straighter. The round also tumbles when hitting flesh the Afgans called it the poisen bullet 5.45x39

[big L dawg]

I have the Yugoslavian ak 47 with the 100 rd drum,collapsible stock plus three 30 rd banana clips...I paid $600 the cheapest AR I priced was $1,100 so if there better that's like saying a Ferrari is better than a mustang...well they should be as there alot more expensive...for my money give me the AK all day with the 7.62....

[makaveli25]

The ar-15 is more accurate. The gun was machined to have tighter tolerances. The round shoots straighter and flatter. It doesn't dip like the ak round. The ak was made with wide tolerances that's is why it doesn't jam as much. Simple to shoot easy to maintain. The round isn't as effective past 100-150 feet.

[NarcissisticDeity]

I have the Yugoslavian ak 47 with the 100 rd drum,collapsible stock plus three 30 rd banana clips...I paid $600 the cheapest AR I priced was $1,100 so if there better that's like saying a Ferrari is better than a mustang...well they should be as there alot more expensive...for my money give me the AK all day with the 7.62....

$4200 and counting 

[England_1]

  The only two factors that affect accuracy, besides the guy using the gun, is the length of the barrel and the recoil.

Wrong. There are other factors including the rifling of the barrel as well as how tightly the barrel surrounds the bullet. Under firing the barrel of the AK47 also experiences a tremendous amount of flex compared to the M16/M4 due to it's much looser build tolerances in relationship to the receiver.

Finally, quit your crying about him calling you a dumbass. For one, he is right about that. Secondly, you called him a dumbass first.

[Nails]

we've been at war in Afghanistan for the greater part of the last decade

try to keep up

How many of your solders have been lost in the war eh?

[makaveli25]

Top of the line aks 600-1000 bucks. You may find a good cheap ak for 300-400 dollars but you may run into some issues canted sights, mag wobble, poorly made recievers, non chrome lined cheap barrel, pitted barrel ect.

[suckmymuscle]

Wrong. There are other factors including the rifling of the barrel as well as how tightly the barrel surrounds the bullet. Under firing the barrel of the AK47 also experiences a tremendous amount of flex compared to the M16/M4 due to it's much looser build tolerances in relationship to the receiver.

Finally, quit your crying about him calling you a dumbass. For one, he is right about that. Secondly, you called him a dumbass first.

  That is exactly what I'm saying, dumby: the two only variables that affect accuracy besides the guy shooting is barrel length and how much the barrel oscilates when you shoot. These are the only two factors that affect accuracy. You make it seem like there is something else, when in reality what you just said is included in my original definition. You chimp.

  As for me being a dumbass, I am pretty confident I am smarter and more knowledgeable than you. In fact, I have no doubts about that. So if I am a dumbass, imagine just how moronic your ass is.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[England_1]

 That is exactly what I'm saying, dumby: the two only variables that affect accuracy besides the guy shooting is barrel length and how much the barrel oscilates when you shoot. These are the only two factors that affect accuracy. You make it seem like there is something else, when in reality what you just said is included in my original defintion. You chimp.

  As for me being a dumbass, I am pretty confident I am smarter and more knowledgeable than you. In fact, I have no doubts about that. So if I am a dumbass, imagine just how moronic your ass is.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

#1) I am smarter than you
#2) You clearly have no clue what you are talking about because there are well more than 2 variables affecting accuracy. For example, you mentioned nothing about ballistics, which several have already owned you on here.
#3)Since you don't live in the U.S. you can't own firearms and don't have any experience with either. Therefore, STFU. hahaha

[England_1]

Look at this idiot, crying because someone called him a dumbass. And now he's back to the name calling. There's a clear lack of intelligence and knowledge to support an argument.

  Instead of making personal attacks like a child, you could simply explain what you mean. Making blanket statements is always a poor way to have a debate.

  That is exactly what I'm saying, dumby: the two only variables that affect accuracy besides the guy shooting is barrel length and how much the barrel oscilates when you shoot. These are the only two factors that affect accuracy. You make it seem like there is something else, when in reality what you just said is included in my original definition. You chimp.

  As for me being a dumbass, I am pretty confident I am smarter and more knowledgeable than you. In fact, I have no doubts about that. So if I am a dumbass, imagine just how moronic your ass is.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

[Ex Coelis]

How many of your solders have been lost in the war eh?

I had the honour to serve with a number of the people on this list both in Afghanistan and back home

http://www.ottawacitizennews.com/soldiers/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Forces_casualties_in_Afghanistan



standing on the tarmac as a fallen comrade was unloaded in front of his family was rough

escorting a grieving mother to her son's grave was worse

[suckmymuscle]

#1) I am smarter than you

  I am pretty confident my IQ is higher than yours.

#2) You clearly have no clue what you are talking about because there are well more than 2 variables affecting accuracy. For example, you mentioned nothing about ballistics, which several have already owned you on here.

  Listen to me. How does ballistics affect accuracy? Depending on the bullet, the barrel oscilates more when you shoot. So this is included in my original definition of what affects acuracy. You make it seem like this is something else, which it isn't. It is something that is included in barrel oscilation which includes recoil. So you are owned, as usual. Lol...

#3)Since you don't live in the U.S. you can't own firearms and don't have any experience with either. Therefore, STFU. hahaha

  First of all, the U.S is not the only country in the World where you can own firearms, genius. Secondly, one may not own firearms but still acquire knowledge about them from reading and etcetera. Thirdly, you don't know me and thus have no way of knowing whether I have any experiences with them. So you are wrong on many levels again, as usual.

SUCKMYMUSCLE

  

[benchmstr]

I had to Google it so I'm gonna say no . . . 

its been around for awhile....full sized 7.62(.308) AR....but the new one is 16" with a VLTOR stock on it....we are making hits on it past 1k meters with it already....

bench

[benchmstr]

$4200 and counting 

for that money you could have got into the sniper game by now....or just got a POF and added optics...

bench

[big L dawg]

Top of the line aks 600-1000 bucks. You may find a good cheap ak for 300-400 dollars but you may run into some issues canted sights, mag wobble, poorly made recievers, non chrome lined cheap barrel, pitted barrel ect.

yep I got my AK for a steal at $600 new...most will pay between 8-9 hundred but I have family in the biz which helps ...and like I said the most dirt cheap AR I priced was $1,100 and it was slightly used...I'll take my 600 dollar model that in six years has never jammed not once and is reliable as the day I bought it....AR's are nice but the prices are not...

[benchmstr]

yep I got my AK for a steal at $600 new...most will pay between 8-9 hundred but I have family in the biz which helps ...and like I said the most dirt cheap AR I priced was $1,100 and it was slightly used...I'll take my 600 dollar model that in six years has never jammed not once and is reliable as the day I bought it....AR's are nice but the prices are not...

i can get any gun part, or gun for dirt cheap...and when i see what i pay, and what the general public has to pay for AR part, or whole guns..the difference is insane....if i had to pay dealer price for one i would have built one and stopped...

bench

[benchmstr]

yep I got my AK for a steal at $600 new...most will pay between 8-9 hundred but I have family in the biz which helps ...and like I said the most dirt cheap AR I priced was $1,100 and it was slightly used...I'll take my 600 dollar model that in six years has never jammed not once and is reliable as the day I bought it....AR's are nice but the prices are not...

although i did see a $5000 one off custom AK at a sniper comp a few months back.....

bench

[tommywishbone]

I have shot both. I liked the AR more. Easier to hold on target. Carrying lots of rounds in your pockets- the AR lets you carry more. My opinion.

[brent2741]

it's 7.62 round , and AR's are made in a very wide range of calibers including a 7.62

AK's have more stopping power and less accuracy as a general rule, of course any rifle with any variation of receiver can project just about any round from .22 to a grenade, just comparing the 2

[big L dawg]

i can get any gun part, or gun for dirt cheap...and when i see what i pay, and what the general public has to pay for AR part, or whole guns..the difference is insane....if i had to pay dealer price for one i would have built one and stopped...

bench

yea If you got the inside hookup & get the good prices then money shouldn't be as much a factor...and you might as well get the best gun you can afford...