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Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« on: November 24, 2010, 05:42:45 PM »
Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
Posted by Daniel McAdams on November 23, 2010 06:05 PM
The New York Times reports, with a welcome minimum of snark, on the totalitarian Food and Drug Administration’s mission to shut down one of the finest cheesemakers in the United States, whose products are proudly served in the finest restaurants in New York and Los Angeles. The FDA jackboots barged into Kelli Estrella’s farm and found a bit of bacteria and demanded that she immediately recall all of her cheeses, even though no one had ever gotten sick from her products (unlike those from FDA-approved factory agribusiness outfits).

But the heroic Estrella, who raises her own cows and goats and then turns their raw milk into cheeses revered by the growing local-food movement, has done what very few of the small food producers increasingly targeted by the federal government have done:

She said “no.”

She refused to allow the federal government to destroy her business over a product that had never sickened anyone, and as the FDA did not have the authority to forcibly recall her cheeses, they laid in for a long siege, sending in cops to impound some $100,000 worth of her cheese. They are now in a face-off, but soon the thugs will likely triumph over the artisan, as the Senate is expected to pass a “food safety” bill that would expand government power to steal the labor and livelihood of people like Ms. Estrella.

cont... http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/71004.html

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #1 on: November 24, 2010, 05:53:23 PM »
Typical, the FDA another unelected government created bureaucracy fucking with the average American
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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #2 on: November 24, 2010, 06:21:07 PM »
They are now in a face-off, but soon the thugs will likely triumph over the artisan, as the Senate is expected to pass a “food safety” bill that would expand government power to steal the labor and livelihood of people like Ms. Estrella.




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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2010, 06:26:25 PM »
Can we please have Ron Paul as president now?  Would the idiots who think he's not electable drop the BS and vote for him?  What a sad opportunity we missed last election...  McCain vs. Obama... oh brother... 

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #4 on: November 24, 2010, 06:28:17 PM »
Can we please have Ron Paul as president now?  Would the idiots who think he's not electable drop the BS and vote for him?  What a sad opportunity we missed last election...  McCain vs. Obama... oh brother... 

The only one who made from all of this was Palin.  Went from nothing to a millionaire almost overnight. 

Obama is stuck in the mud.  Mccain is a hapless old fool.  Biden is biden. 

As for this story - SICKENING!

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #5 on: November 24, 2010, 10:27:50 PM »
How the heck does one NOT expect to find bacteria at a cheese factory?    :-\

Didn't someone tell the FDA that cheese IS bacteria?!  ???

On every package of cheese I've ever bought, it actually lists the % of bacteria.
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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2010, 11:06:06 PM »
They found listeria in some of her cheeses, note "some" and not all, it wasn't just general bacteria.  At least someone is trying to make some changes to the Food Safety Act that's being pushed through, senator John Tester pushed for an amendment that would make small businesses such as hers exempt from the broad sweeping rules meant for larger corporations.  You can read it here:

http://tester.senate.gov/Legislation/upload/tester_amendment_agreement_summary.pdf


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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2010, 01:59:22 PM »
Raw milk sellers are just begging for a disease outbreak.

There is a reason we pasteurise dairy products people.

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2010, 04:11:37 PM »
Raw milk sellers are just begging for a disease outbreak.

There is a reason we pasteurise dairy products people.

Agreed, however, in a free society, people should be able to make that decision for themselves.

There are also a host of other maladies associated with pasteurized milk.

As humans, the only milk we should really be consuming anyway is mother's milk or unpasteurized goat's milk, everything else really doesn't jibe well with our systems.
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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2010, 09:07:18 PM »
Jag, I'm a dairyman.

Let's argue this.  :)

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2010, 09:19:37 PM »
Jag, I'm a dairyman.

Let's argue this.  :)
can I ask if you work for someone else or is it a family business?  No attack, just curious.

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« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2010, 09:22:04 PM »
Thia is just more jack boot gangster govt run amok. 

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2010, 09:48:00 PM »
Agreed, however, in a free society, people should be able to make that decision for themselves.

There are also a host of other maladies associated with pasteurized milk.

As humans, the only milk we should really be consuming anyway is mother's milk or unpasteurized goat's milk, everything else really doesn't jibe well with our systems.

Exactly. If you don't want the milk or cheese, don't buy it. Just like it works with cigarettes and beer,  everyone knows both are bad for you and if you don't want them, don't buy them.

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #13 on: November 26, 2010, 12:16:43 AM »
Jag, I'm a dairyman.

Let's argue this.  :)

I'm lactose intolerant.

Let's not.  :)
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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #14 on: November 26, 2010, 05:17:04 PM »
I'm lactose intolerant.

Let's not.  :)

Haha, fair enough.

Hugo, I work for others in large-scale dairy management capacity... among other things.

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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2010, 07:31:33 PM »
Haha, fair enough.

Thanks  :)

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Hugo, I work for others in large-scale dairy management capacity... among other things.

Have you ever gotten your parts stuck in one of those automatic milking machines? Know anyone who has?  ;D
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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #16 on: November 26, 2010, 08:48:48 PM »
Have you ever gotten your parts stuck in one of those automatic milking machines? Know anyone who has?  ;D
thanks... after that image I may never drink milk again. :-X

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2010, 06:32:17 AM »
Raw milk sellers are just begging for a disease outbreak.

There is a reason we pasteurise dairy products people.


My question is:  When raw milk is turned into cheese, does the process eliminate the threat?  In other words, does going from raw milk to cheese accomplish the same thing as pasteurization?

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« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2010, 09:57:51 AM »

My question is:  When raw milk is turned into cheese, does the process eliminate the threat?  In other words, does going from raw milk to cheese accomplish the same thing as pasteurization?

Depends Skip. Most of the time they will use pasteurized milk to make cheese. Especially all the 'wet' types. When dry style cheeses are made , like Parmesan, they might use raw milk, but it has to be aged at least 60 days (the cheese, not the milk). This is the rules in CA, not sure about back east or EU.

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2010, 10:07:59 AM »
Personally I don't have anything against raw milk. If you want to go that route, good on ya. However, what most people don't realize is that if your body isn't prepared for it, i.e., you don't have the immunity built up against the speific bacteria that gets pasteurized out, you're probably going to get sick.

The problems happen when some old person or little kid with hippie parents gets sick, then they sue the crap out of anyone they can find over it. Th tho.ere's ways around it that people have come up with tho...

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Re: Food Nazis Versus Award-Winning Cheesemaker
« Reply #20 on: November 27, 2010, 11:40:23 AM »
Personally I don't have anything against raw milk. If you want to go that route, good on ya. However, what most people don't realize is that if your body isn't prepared for it, i.e., you don't have the immunity built up against the speific bacteria that gets pasteurized out, you're probably going to get sick.

The problems happen when some old person or little kid with hippie parents gets sick, then they sue the crap out of anyone they can find over it. Th tho.ere's ways around it that people have come up with tho...

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« Reply #21 on: November 27, 2010, 12:29:36 PM »
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