So by all those statements then the answer would be yes.
So then would you consider an ant moving a crumb across the street being that God moved the crumb?
(Do you want me to split Swede's topic on O'Reilly for you and tony? Oh and my text box jumps too if my post is long. 
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1. Yea it would. I said in the first reply i typed "by definition God would have had to landed the plane in the water."
2. Yea I would also consider that to be God moving the crumb. The crumb was moved by the ant, God moved the ant (of course this could be broken down in many more steps but Aristotle's unmoved mover always arrives at God (or in Aristotle more specifically, I think he believed in 47 or 55 Gods, I dont remember) at the end of the regression). My hands type on a keyboard, my brain tells my hands to type, signals tell my brain what to tell my hands to do, God "tells" my signals to tell my brain to tell my hands what to type on this keyboard, etc. Each cause needs a cause before it, and so on, until there is a first cause (the uncaused cause) to cause the secondary cause, to cause the next cause, etc.
3. Yea you can split up that topic if Tony keeps posting in it, if not then I wouldn't worry about it. I hate the jumping text box thing.
