My whole gym is on the weak sauce...

[gh15]

I kinda agree with Croatch. I have no problem with someone juicing to compete or even just for the hell of it. But if youre gonna juice then fucking take it seriously and train and eat like you mean it. I can understand a guy who is juicing and is 250+ lbs.. There are several guys at my gym that I know are on shit and can't break 180 lbs.. They train like pussies and crowd the mirrors by the DB rack.

lol ,,
so wait a second here friend


frank zane should not even bother eh?
and arnold ummm just a waist of human body eh?
and ummm lee labrada hm he was nothing too tiny,,

and sagi kalev  the best muscle model in probably history of usa is umm nothing just waist of hormones lol since he is 190 ya know,,
and steeve reeves 210lb was absolitly waist of a bodybuildr eh?
and sean ray was just no need to even train since he too small even with hormones....
and bobbie chick shoudl have just quite and nto even go for profesional car weighin a wholllle of a 200lb lol

and ummm phil heath umm well him i want to quit because he is shit bodybuilrt with no foundation but! hormones did him well and he was walking 195-215  competing in the 190s  then in the 200+  on quite a lot of hormones lol

andddddddddddddddd lay norton  on hormones cant even break 195lb on stage due to bad genetic but yet what he should do quit? he like hormones and bodybuild,,

and stev kukelo couldnt step on stage over 176lb lol  ON HORMONES ,,so if he quit he woulndt be the size he is today right?


IT IS FUCKIN GH AND INSULIN THAT GET YOU TO 250 FOR GOD SAKE GET IT IN YOUR HEAD THE INSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL IN AND GH TOGETHER !!


190-200lb fella on stage 5% is HUGE for amatuers it is real good level to be in the light heavys and those fellas usually look the best and continue to be very very good bodybuildrs due to symetry and over all  tight waist in relashion to v taper and good physiqe

dex jackson  lol 180lb on stage when he started to fly,,before that he competed FLY WEIGHTS lol i mean real small not in the 180s but in the philipino weight clases lol,,


weight doestn always  mean quality GET IT IN YOUR HEAD,, it is quality size that get you places,,quality size that profeisonal like peter putnem lack ,,amatuers like david palubo lacked,,profesional like marcu from spain lack,,but! light heavy  weight by the name of stan macoy has,, light weight by the name of dex jax had....


steroids and hormones in general are not taken for determine specific weight ,,they are taken for getting into specific quality of muscle ,,right now i can point to you 180lb fellas from this board that wipe the floor with 230lb bodybuildrs from this board,,this is 50 lb that is all in the gut and wrong places,,

gut does NOT = size ,,it equals weight!

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[Yev33]

I wrote a big response to this and the deleted it. It was all bullshit about training etc, and it was all a bunch of crap.

Last December I finally had a chance to do a normal cycle of test and it was lovely. It only lasted about 10 or 11 weeks, but it was so fun. Look, if you stress about assholes that cut you off in traffic, co-workers that piss you off, little disappointments like red lights and annoying customers, and you found out a weekly injection would make all that stuff seem like an amusing joke, would you be interested? What if it made your muscles grow at the same time, seems like a miracle drug, right?

       I'm a lifetime natty, went from 133lbs to 200lbs (at 5'9") between the age of 19 till now (27). I actually like the process, I like going to the gym 4 times a week, I like learning more and more about about training and nutrition. Of course I am after results like everyone else, but I also care about how I got there. I'm sure I could have gotten to where I am now a hell of a lot quicker if I ran some cycles, but I can guarntee you that I would not have learned a quarter of what I learned about training. I don't hate people that juice, it's their life and body and they can do whatever they want. There is a kid in my gym who has been on shit since he was 16 years old ( he's around 21 now). He is 180 tops, same height as me. If you saw the kid in a t-shirt you would never in your life think he touched a weight. That's what I can't understand and respect. How can you be involved in something for half a decade and still have absolutely no clue what the fuck you are doing?

[Yev33]

lol ,,
so wait a second here friend


frank zane should not even bother eh?
and arnold ummm just a waist of human body eh?
and ummm lee labrada hm he was nothing too tiny,,

and sagi kalev  the best muscle model in probably history of usa is umm nothing just waist of hormones lol since he is 190 ya know,,
and steeve reeves 210lb was absolitly waist of a bodybuildr eh?
and sean ray was just no need to even train since he too small even with hormones....
and bobbie chick shoudl have just quite and nto even go for profesional car weighin a wholllle of a 200lb lol

and ummm phil heath umm well him i want to quit because he is shit bodybuilrt with no foundation but! hormones did him well and he was walking 195-215  competing in the 190s  then in the 200+  on quite a lot of hormones lol

andddddddddddddddd lay norton  on hormones cant even break 195lb on stage due to bad genetic but yet what he should do quit? he like hormones and bodybuild,,

and stev kukelo couldnt step on stage over 176lb lol  ON HORMONES ,,so if he quit he woulndt be the size he is today right?


IT IS FUCKIN GH AND INSULIN THAT GET YOU TO 250 FOR GOD SAKE GET IT IN YOUR HEAD THE INSUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUL IN AND GH TOGETHER !!


190-200lb fella on stage 5% is HUGE for amatuers it is real good level to be in the light heavys and those fellas usually look the best and continue to be very very good bodybuildrs due to symetry and over all  tight waist in relashion to v taper and good physiqe

dex jackson  lol 180lb on stage when he started to fly,,before that he competed FLY WEIGHTS lol i mean real small not in the 180s but in the philipino weight clases lol,,


weight doestn always  mean quality GET IT IN YOUR HEAD,, it is quality size that get you places,,quality size that profeisonal like peter putnem lack ,,amatuers like david palubo lacked,,profesional like marcu from spain lack,,but! light heavy  weight by the name of stan macoy has,, light weight by the name of dex jax had....


steroids and hormones in general are not taken for determine specific weight ,,they are taken for getting into specific quality of muscle ,,right now i can point to you 180lb fellas from this board that wipe the floor with 230lb bodybuildrs from this board,,this is 50 lb that is all in the gut and wrong places,,

gut does NOT = size ,,it equals weight!

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When I talked about bodyweights in my posts I assumed everyone would understand at a decent body fat ( visible abs). You just named some of the best bodybuilders of their time ( Ray, Zane, Arnold, Labrada, Reeves) in contest shape. I am talking about gym rats with bf of 10-13%. Also Labrada and Ray were both around 5'5", there is a world of differnce in how someone who is 5'5" 200 and 5'9" 200 look at the same bodyfat.

[Master Blaster]

      I'm a lifetime natty, went from 133lbs to 200lbs (at 5'9") between the age of 19 till now (27). I actually like the process, I like going to the gym 4 times a week, I like learning more and more about about training and nutrition. Of course I am after results like everyone else, but I also care about how I got there. I'm sure I could have gotten to where I am now a hell of a lot quicker if I ran some cycles, but I can guarntee you that I would not have learned a quarter of what I learned about training. I don't hate people that juice, it's their life and body and they can do whatever they want. There is a kid in my gym who has been on shit since he was 16 years old ( he's around 21 now). He is 180 tops, same height as me. If you saw the kid in a t-shirt you would never in your life think he touched a weight. That's what I can't understand and respect. How can you be involved in something for half a decade and still have absolutely no clue what the fuck you are doing?

sorry this isn't really a reply to your post, but I just want to add for me personally, I find drug free lifting to be much more enjoyable, so in a sense I agree with you. I can get lean and fit drug free, but I can't grow big muscles, at least not on my upper body. The only muscles that have responded to drug free lifting in a meaningful way are quads and shoulders, and my knees are toast, so its fuck all, at this point.

[notsureifsrs]

I wrote a big response to this and the deleted it. It was all bullshit about training etc, and it was all a bunch of crap.

Last December I finally had a chance to do a normal cycle of test and it was lovely. It only lasted about 10 or 11 weeks, but it was so fun. Look, if you stress about assholes that cut you off in traffic, co-workers that piss you off, little disappointments like red lights and annoying customers, and you found out a weekly injection would make all that stuff seem like an amusing joke, would you be interested? What if it made your muscles grow at the same time, seems like a miracle drug, right?

wtf?
sounds like you injectin heroine instead of test
or UG test is just a real bullshit

[Master Blaster]

wtf?
sounds like you injectin heroine instead of test
or UG test is just a real bullshit

no, it was (legit) UG. If heroin makes you feel like you are finally a normal person, then I would say test is just like heroin, sadly I know better, based on first hand accounts of fucking junkies that I worked with for years.

for stress cases and worry warts Test E = finally feeling normal 

[gh15]

When I talked about bodyweights in my posts I assumed everyone would understand at a decent body fat ( visible abs). You just named some of the best bodybuilders of their time ( Ray, Zane, Arnold, Labrada, Reeves) in contest shape. I am talking about gym rats with bf of 10-13%. Also Labrada and Ray were both around 5'5", there is a world of differnce in how someone who is 5'5" 200 and 5'9" 200 look at the same bodyfat.

let me explain something for yo ufriend,, i will say it slowwww and very clear,, so everyone again understand,,

people who sit all day long on bodybuilding board,,think bodybuilding,,REGISTED ON BODYBUILDING BOARD,,go to gym to train ,,wanted to be bodybuildr all their life ,,will have nothing to stop them from juicing,,they will use everythign it is a process,,it is the liars which built this specific generation that need to be burnt in hell,,

there is no 200lb 5;9 natural not now not tomorrow and not in million years,, 200lb 5;9 is only natural at 18+ percent body fat,, for any decent body fat like you call it lol 10% ....the natural true natural will be sitting 180 in the height of 5'9 ,,and that include ANY ONE ON PLANET EARTH THAT IS HUMAN,,

the end

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[Playboy]

What bothers me are the gym rats that sauce to the gills, are big and bloated one month and then skinny twigs the next month. These are the idiopts that I think everyone is refering to. You know? Guys that are "sauced" but eat Burger King, train 3 times a week and can barely press a plate and a quarter on the flat bench? One plate wonders.

[bigkid]

Croatch, How do you live in vegas? Its gotta me the worse fucking place to live.  I can't imagine living around that many douche bags year round.

[Tito24]

titus lives in a big house in vegas.

[_bruce_]

titus lives in a big house in vegas.

 

[Tito24]

[Yev33]

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let me explain something for yo ufriend,, i will say it slowwww ans very clear,, so everyone again understand,,

people who sit all day long on bodybuilding board,,think bodybuilding,,REGISTED ON BODYBUILDING BOARD,,go to gym to train ,,wanted to be bodybuildr all their life ,,will have nothing to stop them from juicing,,they will use everythign it is a process,,it is the liars which built this specific generation that need to be burnt in hell,,

there is no 200lb 5;9 natural not now not tomorrow and not in million years,, 200lb 5;9 is only natural at 18+ percent body fat,, for any decent body fat like you call it lol 10% ....the natural true natural will be sitting 180 in the height of 5'9 ,,and that include ANY ONE ON PLANET EARTH THAT IS HUMAN,,

the end
 
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    I can post my own pics and pics of other natties at my gym. All your gonna say that "all these fellas are on cycles of test and low dose GH". Im not gonna argue with you because you are gonna push your own agenda no matter what I or anyone else says. I get it, youre a drug dealer trying to increase his profits. Someone posts a pic of a nattie who knows what he's doing and you call him a liar, can't be done naturally. Then someone posts a pic of someone who is admittedly on shit and doesn't look impressive at all and you say " that's good progress, need to up the dosage and get better quality hormones" services that you will be happy to provide ( not publicly of course).

[gh15]

[ Invalid YouTube link ]     I can post my own pics and pics of other natties at my gym. All your gonna say that "all these fellas are on cycles of test and low dose GH". Im not gonna argue with you because you are gonna push your own agenda no matter what I or anyone else says. I get it, youre a drug dealer trying to increase his profits. Someone posts a pic of a nattie who knows what he's doing and you call him a liar, can't be done naturally. Then someone posts a pic of someone who is admittedly on shit and doesn't look impressive at all and you say " that's good progress, need to up the dosage and get better quality hormones" services that you will be happy to provide ( not publicly of course).

ummmm,,
no ,, first of when someoe is truly natural i will say it loud and clear and i have in the past on thie boading,,i did ,,but! show me true naturals,,show me 5'10 180 9% ,,show me  5'9 165 7%,,show me them and i will also give a compliment to themj if due because it is VERY hard to walk around 180lb 8-9% naturaly ,,very very hard ,,not easy at all with out getting flat,,with out looking like shit with shirt on ,,with out hearing your mommy tell you that you look like a twink too thin eat some ....

you gottta understand THE ONLY THING TRUE NATURALS HEAR FROM THEIR RELATIVES IF TRULY NATURAL IS....YOU LOSE WEIGHT YOU LOOK THIN YOU NEED TO EAT,,THIS IS THE TRUTH ,,THIS IS WHY NO ONE IS NATURAL IN THIS CULT ,,THIS IS WHY,,BECAUSE NO ONE WOULD TRAIN NATURAL TO LOOK HALF DECENT WITH NO SHIRT,,AND THEN LIKE SHIT WITH SHIRT,,, NO ONE WOULD MOVE THEIR ASS ONLY TO LOOK SAME SIZE PARALEL TO THEIR GIRLFRIEND THAT IS 5'5 145LB ....NO ONE WILL DO IT ,,NO ONE WILL ACTUALY WALK AROUND IN THEIR LARGE SHIRT THAT WILL LOOK KINDA LOOSE ON THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE FLAT BECAUSE THEY DIDNT HAVE THEIR 9TH MEAL THAT DAY ....NO ONE UNLESS THAT SOMEONE IS ABNORMAL OR NEW TO THE CULT,,NEW TO THE CULT ARE FELLAS WHO BEEN IN THE CULT 3 YEARS OR LESS,,AND OR FELLAS WHO JUST ARE SCARED TO GO TO THE NEXT LEVEL ....


do you really relaly think that any one will go train naturaly only to look 160lb 7%?  5'9? do you really think someone will go day in day out to gym ,,take all the supplement in the world put over 300 dolaros a month on supplemtn lol live breath lift heavy have no social life stuck with all meals on time ....just to look 160lb 5'9? thats in americana = average girl size ,,,i mean comon  be more realistic ,,nothing to do with hormones or selling hormones which you assume,,it has to do with the fct that your generation for some reason IS OBSESSED WITH LIVING ILLUSION ,,    YOU HAVE PEOPLE WHO SO CALL SING NAME JUSAN BRIBER !! DO YOU THINK THE GYM FELLAS WILL BE ANY BETTER? IT IS ALL FAST FAST BUT DONT TELL MY MAMA ATTITUDE,,

THE AMOUNT OF FELAS ON HORMONES NOW DAYS ESPECIALLY AGES 16-60 IN AMERICNAA IS E N O R M O U S ,,i would go here and say and listen closly ,,

there are more fellas on hormones in americnaa than fellas who walk around with the most common std  called hpv...and you know how many people have hpv right? not hiv but hpv! EVERY FUCKIN ONE HAS HPV ,,1 OUT OF 2 MEN 1 OUT OF 2 GIRLS HAVE HPV ,,IT IS LIKE FLUE very very common if you had sex even 2- 3 times you probabluy have it ,,SO IM GOING TO TELL YOU HERE THAT! MORE PEOPLE USE HORMONES IN AMERICNAA THAN WALK AROUND WITH HPV ! 

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[CT_Muscle]

steroids that only yield bloat face and no strength.  Disgraces to bbing.
For real, join a bicycle club.  BBing is not for you.

Can you capture some footage of these assclowns on video for us? 

[Croatch]

Can you capture some footage of these assclowns on video for us? 

I wouldn't make it through a workout, if I were to tape them.
Just picture many middle aged guys, reliant on drugs to make it to the gym.  Usually, looking the same...bloated, some with Tapout shirts, each usually working out with at least one partner.  All under the delusion they're actually achieving something, but just a shot away from being 170lbs.
It's rough.

[Master Blaster]

I wouldn't make it through a workout, if I were to tape them.
Just picture many middle aged guys, reliant on drugs to make it to the gym.  Usually, looking the same...bloated, some with Tapout shirts, each usually working out with at least one partner.  All under the delusion they're actually achieving something, but just a shot away from being 170lbs.
It's rough.

 

[Palpatine Q]

I wouldn't make it through a workout, if I were to tape them.
Just picture many middle aged guys, reliant on drugs to make it to the gym.  Usually, looking the same...bloated, some with Tapout shirts, each usually working out with at least one partner.  All under the delusion they're actually achieving something, but just a shot away from being 170lbs.
It's rough.

I enjoy owning these tits.

That where I think you go wrong Croatch. ...have fun with it. That's what I do...I befriend,  for lack of a better word, these clowns and then subtly own them all the time.

So when they ask me..." yo G....what do you do for Delts ?" ...I can say "nothing out of the ordinary...my Delts really respond to anything, your genetics are really limiting your growth there so you will have to really find something that works."  

Just remember to be friendly and have a "constructive" tone of voice as you own them.

[Croatch]

I enjoy owning these tits.

That where I think you go wrong Croatch. ...have fun with it. That's what I do...I befriend,  for lack of a better word, these clowns and then subtly own them all the time.

So when they ask me..." yo G....what do you do for Delts ?" ...I can say "nothing out of the ordinary...my Delts really respond to anything, your genetics are really limiting your growth there so you will have to really find something that works."   

I like going with, "Still faking it huh."  When I run into someone I know juices, after a few years.  He'll usually look about the same, as I will.

[Naggash]

You should be thankful to have access to one of a few gyms with such amazing equipment

i would hug my gym manager for normal leg press machine

brb no machine for delts
brb hack squat on smith machine

at least it looks way more hardcore than Dorian's gym...

hail fellow bodybuilding.com member