Thom Hartmann: Republicans ran up the debt & now they don't want to pay the bill

[blacken700]

[GigantorX]

Bad, Thom Hartman is clueless but at least he admits he is an unabashed liberal....which isn't surprising if you watch RT.

[Kazan]

Do you actually believe this? Seriously, do you have any idea how the US government actually works?

[GigantorX]

Do you actually believe this? Seriously, do you have any idea how the US government actually works?

No, no he doesn't. If he did than he wouldn't post these videos.

I tune into RT from time to time it has its merits but stuff like this is pure propaganda and misinformation. Blacken700 posted one from RT a while back about taxes and such....same thing, same misinformation, same garbage.

Enough with this crap.

[Straw Man]

How about some specifics on what Hartman allegedly got wrong

[blacken700]

How about some specifics on what Hartman allegedly got wrong

let them call rush and beck and get back to you,you betch ;Da

[Soul Crusher]

let them call rush and beck and get back to you,you betch ;Da

Yeah, obama bailouts, stim bill, expanded wars all over the planet, et al have no impact on the deficit abnd debt.      

[GigantorX]

How about some specifics on what Hartman allegedly got wrong

No mention of how the budget process works, no mention of Congress at all, no mention of who controlled Congress during these specific periods, no mention of entitlement programs, acts as if Clinton's tax hike actually gave any meaningful revenue and that Clinton actually wanted to work to balance the budget, no mention of Obama's spending and on and on, no mention of the business/economic/geopolitical climate at the specific times. No mention of the economy and tax revenue under Reagan.  He hits Reagan with "he gave tax cuts to his rich buddies!" and then quickly scurries to the next shallow and ignorant piece of "journalism".

Here is a little more in-depth on Clinton during that era, funny how he doesn't touch on any of this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/barbara-boxers-gross-rewriting-of-history/2011/06/30/AGFGVqsH_blog.html

Thomas Hartmann is a hardcore liberal, he has admitted as much, he works for a Russian state-sponsored media channel and he does stupid, shallow and frankly childish non-sense like this all the time.

[headhuntersix]

Why is this so hard. Barry is the president and he has done zero in the way of providing a plan....both budget plans were either impossible to enact or vague. They really weren't serious plans and the Dems have done nothing either. He's the friggen president....he is supposed to lead. Thats why all u libs voted for him. His daily failures are legion. Every time I think he can't suck anymore he astonishes me.

[headhuntersix]

See...this is why we have guys like GX here...cold hard facts.

[Straw Man]

No mention of how the budget process works, no mention of Congress at all, no mention of who controlled Congress during these specific periods, no mention of entitlement programs, acts as if Clinton's tax hike actually gave any meaningful revenue and that Clinton actually wanted to work to balance the budget, no mention of Obama's spending and on and on, no mention of the business/economic/geopolitical climate at the specific times. No mention of the economy and tax revenue under Reagan.  He hits Reagan with "he gave tax cuts to his rich buddies!" and then quickly scurries to the next shallow and ignorant piece of "journalism".

Here is a little more in-depth on Clinton during that era, funny how he doesn't touch on any of this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/barbara-boxers-gross-rewriting-of-history/2011/06/30/AGFGVqsH_blog.html

Thomas Hartmann is a hardcore liberal, he has admitted as much, he works for a Russian state-sponsored media channel and he does stupid, shallow and frankly childish non-sense like this all the time.

doesn't he mention that Clinton added a trillion to the debt himself (the least of any of either of the Bush's or Clinton) but he also balanced the budget, created a surplus and left office with the US on track to pay off all the debt by 2010

my issue with Repubs is that they had no problem with expanding the national debt or budget deficits during the 8 years of the Bush Administration and now all of a sudent they ar fiscal hawks

[Vince G, CSN MFT]

Republicans are not responsible for the debt.  Corporate greed in pocketing the tax breaks that were given under the Bush Administration rather than investing into America and still shipping more jobs overseas.  That along with the corupt practices of the real estate market (which I am partially responsible for)

[GigantorX]

doesn't he mention that Clinton added a trillion to the debt himself (the least of any of either of the Bush's or Clinton) but he also balanced the budget, created a surplus and left office with the US on track to pay off all the debt by 2010

my issue with Repubs is that they had no problem with expanding the national debt or budget deficits during the 8 years of the Bush Administration and now all of a sudent they ar fiscal hawks

I'm with you on that point, but I think it's indicative of the duplicitous nature of both parties that do this type of crap when it's politically expedient. I certainly will not argue that point.

And yes, he mentioned the 1 trillion dollar figure for Clinton, but no, it wasn't Clinton that slid into office, took out a pocket calculator and balanced the budget. Remember the composition of Congress and the political climate at the time. Budget doesn't  get balanced (again in my opinion, but I believe it to be true) without Republicans in the House and Senate composed as they were during his Presidency. He was also aided by a great many things as well concerning global politics, end of the Cold War, a tech revolution that brought efficiency gains etc.

Just crucifying one party or the other for problems is silly. Thomas Hartmann isn't helping expand the narrative or adding anything meaningful he is just participating in the same old one-sided bullshit....which interestingly enough is what many on this board take shots at various cable news stations for doing.

[Straw Man]

I'm with you on that point, but I think it's indicative of the duplicitous nature of both parties that do this type of crap when it's politically expedient. I certainly will not argue that point.

And yes, he mentioned the 1 trillion dollar figure for Clinton, but no, it wasn't Clinton that slid into office, took out a pocket calculator and balanced the budget. Remember the composition of Congress and the political climate at the time. Budget doesn't  get balanced (again in my opinion, but I believe it to be true) without Republicans in the House and Senate composed as they were during his Presidency. He was also aided by a great many things as well concerning global politics, end of the Cold War, a tech revolution that brought efficiency gains etc.

Just crucifying one party or the other for problems is silly. Thomas Hartmann isn't helping expand the narrative or adding anything meaningful he is just participating in the same old one-sided bullshit....which interestingly enough is what many on this board take shots at various cable news stations for doing.

I'm with you on this

I really wish our country could put this partisan crap aside and get some work done