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Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« on: July 11, 2011, 06:15:13 AM »


Newser) – "The Lord says be submissive. Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands," Michele Bachmann has said. So if Bachmann believes wives should always obey their husbands, who would be in charge if she becomes president? Bachmann? Or hubby Marcus? That's what the Daily Beast wants to know. "There’s nothing unusual about a conservative evangelical woman quoting the biblical admonition," writes Jill Lawrence. "But it delivers quite a jolt when that woman is trying to become the leader of the free world." Did "Nancy Reagan's astrologer dictate hubby's schedule?" asks Lawrence.

Just how far Bachmann is willing to go to obey her husband is pretty radical. Before she ran for the House, Marcus told her to get a tax law degree. "Tax law! I hate taxes—why should I go and do something like that?" she said to an audience. But "I was going to be faithful to what I felt God was calling me to do through my husband." A Democratic pollster calls the words a “code to Christian audiences” and “completely uncharted terrain” in a presidential campaign. Click here to learn more about the man who might be in charge of the Oval Office if Bachmann winds up in the White House—and here for another quote that has landed Bachmann in hot water.

http://www.newser.com/story/123087/bible-obey-edict-raises-issue-for-bachmann-presidency.html

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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2011, 07:24:28 AM »

Newser) – "The Lord says be submissive. Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands," Michele Bachmann has said. So if Bachmann believes wives should always obey their husbands, who would be in charge if she becomes president? Bachmann? Or hubby Marcus? That's what the Daily Beast wants to know. "There’s nothing unusual about a conservative evangelical woman quoting the biblical admonition," writes Jill Lawrence. "But it delivers quite a jolt when that woman is trying to become the leader of the free world." Did "Nancy Reagan's astrologer dictate hubby's schedule?" asks Lawrence.

Just how far Bachmann is willing to go to obey her husband is pretty radical. Before she ran for the House, Marcus told her to get a tax law degree. "Tax law! I hate taxes—why should I go and do something like that?" she said to an audience. But "I was going to be faithful to what I felt God was calling me to do through my husband." A Democratic pollster calls the words a “code to Christian audiences” and “completely uncharted terrain” in a presidential campaign. Click here to learn more about the man who might be in charge of the Oval Office if Bachmann winds up in the White House—and here for another quote that has landed Bachmann in hot water.

http://www.newser.com/story/123087/bible-obey-edict-raises-issue-for-bachmann-presidency.html

Now, this is comical. First, the Bible indicates that there is MUTUAL submission between husbands and wives.
And it says submit to your husbands, AS TO THE LORD, which does NOT mean "always obey" your husband. It means you listen to your husband, PROVIDED that he is listening to God. If he's advocating something stupid and ungodly, that submission clause is VOID.

Second, this is desperation personified. Is this the best the Obama-slurping media can do?

Apparently, based on Bachmann's surging in the Iowa polls, all this flap about porn, slavery, and now submission ain't gaining any traction. Bachmann is ON FIRE!! And the left-winged goofies are worried. They can't bump Obama's record, or they'll get ripped apart. So, they resort to this mess.

It's just pitiful.

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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2011, 07:38:32 AM »
Is there anyone dumber than blacken? No. Such person will never exist.

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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2011, 07:43:27 AM »
Now, this is comical. First, the Bible indicates that there is MUTUAL submission between husbands and wives.
And it says submit to your husbands, AS TO THE LORD, which does NOT mean "always obey" your husband. It means you listen to your husband, PROVIDED that he is listening to God. If he's advocating something stupid and ungodly, that submission clause is VOID.

Second, this is desperation personified. Is this the best the Obama-slurping media can do?

Apparently, based on Bachmann's surging in the Iowa polls, all this flap about porn, slavery, and now submission ain't gaining any traction. Bachmann is ON FIRE!! And the left-winged goofies are worried. They can't bump Obama's record, or they'll get ripped apart. So, they resort to this mess.

It's just pitiful.


*sigh* I should probably find a better way to spend my time, but here it goes:

The easiest reply to this is:  Your post has nothing to do with Bachmann. Even IF she is misinterpreting the Bible, your post about how to correctly interpret the Bible does not change the fact (if true) that she is misinterpreting the Bible. If she believes (even falsely) to obey her husband  at all costs, then Blacken's point still stands that she does this. You basically agreed with Blacken by saying "she should not do this". You did not prove that she does not do it.

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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2011, 08:19:13 AM »
*sigh* I should probably find a better way to spend my time, but here it goes:

The easiest reply to this is:  Your post has nothing to do with Bachmann. Even IF she is misinterpreting the Bible, your post about how to correctly interpret the Bible does not change the fact (if true) that she is misinterpreting the Bible. If she believes (even falsely) to obey her husband  at all costs, then Blacken's point still stands that she does this. You basically agreed with Blacken by saying "she should not do this". You did not prove that she does not do it.

man you are on a roll today  ;D

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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2011, 11:34:37 AM »
*sigh* I should probably find a better way to spend my time, but here it goes:

The easiest reply to this is:  Your post has nothing to do with Bachmann. Even IF she is misinterpreting the Bible, your post about how to correctly interpret the Bible does not change the fact (if true) that she is misinterpreting the Bible. If she believes (even falsely) to obey her husband  at all costs, then Blacken's point still stands that she does this. You basically agreed with Blacken by saying "she should not do this". You did not prove that she does not do it.

You may have missed this part


But "I was going to be faithful to what I felt God was calling me to do through my husband."


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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2011, 11:39:13 AM »

 "But it delivers quite a jolt when that woman is trying to become the leader of the free world." Did "Nancy Reagan's astrologer dictate hubby's schedule?" asks Lawrence.


Maybe it was Eleanor Roosevelt's ghost ???
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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2011, 11:43:15 AM »


Wives, you are to be submissive to your husbands," Michele Bachmann has said.



So if Bachmann believes wives should always obey their husbands,





 to obey her husband  at all costs,


"Always" seems to have been inferred by the writer?





Sorry for the triple posts...= jumping text box >:(


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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2011, 11:50:32 AM »
just one of the hundreds of issues when taking the bible literally.
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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2011, 12:42:51 PM »
You may have missed this part





I don't see how that makes a difference. She still obeyed her husband because she felt she was correctly interpreting the bible. MCWAY's reply doesn't address this, he only tries to show that she may have misinterpreted the bible if she does in fact believe "always" which she has not said that she does not. She still obeyed her husband when it conflicted with her own wants and desires, because of her interpretation of the bible, and that is the point of the article isn't it? MCWAY never proved that she did not do this, or would not do it always if elected.

Although this does make one wonder: If a wife is suppose to submit to her husband only insofar as her husband tells things that are christian and falls under the guidelines of what she believes to be god-like (to use MCWAY's term) then why even put in the "submit to your husband" part? Just submitting to God and only God would automatically include following God's orders via husbands. Just going by my first thought, the only way "Submit to your husbands" can be significant in and of itself is if what the husband says does not automatically fall under god-like behavior and there may be doubt, and in that doubt one should submit to one's husband. Your take?

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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2011, 01:54:42 PM »
I don't see how that makes a difference. She still obeyed her husband because she felt she was correctly interpreting the bible. MCWAY's reply doesn't address this, he only tries to show that she may have misinterpreted the bible if she does in fact believe "always" which she has not said that she does not. She still obeyed her husband when it conflicted with her own wants and desires, because of her interpretation of the bible, and that is the point of the article isn't it? MCWAY never proved that she did not do this, or would not do it always if elected.

Although this does make one wonder: If a wife is suppose to submit to her husband only insofar as her husband tells things that are christian and falls under the guidelines of what she believes to be god-like (to use MCWAY's term) then why even put in the "submit to your husband" part? Just submitting to God and only God would automatically include following God's orders via husbands. Just going by my first thought, the only way "Submit to your husbands" can be significant in and of itself is if what the husband says does not automatically fall under god-like behavior and there may be doubt, and in that doubt one should submit to one's husband. Your take?

Obviously a husband telling his wife to go rob a bank is not something she should "obey" and carry out.

I see what you are saying in your second paragraph, but let's look at the Scripture in Eph 5:24 which uses the word "everything" to assume that the writers inference as well as Bachmann's statement meant "always."

Eph 5:24
"Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything."

Would the church (body of believers) submit to Christ in anything that would go against His Godly nature?    If someone shows up on earth that people worship as a god, and makes it that all people receive a mark on the forehead or hand and to buy and sell, is that Christ?  We know from Revelation that is not Christ but that is anti-christ.  

AS THE CHURCH SUBMITS TO CHRIST, wives should submit as well.




Is the problem that people think that Bachmann's husband would be the actual President?  Reminds me of what people used to say the other way round about Bill and Hillary!


You may find it interesting to read the surrounding text and what it says to the husband as well:

Eph 5:21-33
Instructions for Christian Households

21 Submit to one another out of reverence for Christ.
 
22 Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24 Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.

 25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word, 27 and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless.

28 In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29 After all, no one ever hated their own body, but they feed and care for their body, just as Christ does the church— 30 for we are members of his body.

31 “For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33 However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.

We could talk about it more on relig. if you want!
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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #11 on: July 11, 2011, 02:22:28 PM »
I don't see how that makes a difference. She still obeyed her husband because she felt she was correctly interpreting the bible.

According to the article she said she "felt it was what God was calling her to do."   

That seems to coincide w/"as to the Lord" to me.




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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #12 on: July 11, 2011, 08:55:46 PM »
I would ask my wife for her opinion about this, but she's in the kitchen making me a sammich.   :)

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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2011, 01:13:14 AM »
I would ask my wife for her opinion about this, but she's in the kitchen making me a sammich.   :)

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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2011, 04:06:25 AM »
Bible-thumpers need to shampoo my crotch.
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Re: Bible's 'Obey' Edict Snarls Bachmann Presidency
« Reply #15 on: July 12, 2011, 07:12:34 AM »
I would ask my wife for her opinion about this, but she's in the kitchen making me a sammich.   :)

lol!


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