GH15: lagging chest, better to train tri/delts the day before?

[First Blood]

Sure can


Lets use the BP as an example...Used as a training tool, the correct form would be to arch the back so that I could pass my arm between you and the bench, at the small of the back...grip would be wider than shoulder width.

this positioning alone, will fix 90% of the problems...

Now...the use of a "non grip" will be crucial for the ability to use a pressing motion , as opposed to a push....you dont need a thumbless grip per se, just dont need to white knuckle the bar with an iron grip....the harder you grip, the more focus is directed to using the arms, tris and back muscles....none of which are being targeted in this exercise.

In effect, what you need to do is relax all the other muscle groups, and focus ONLY on PRESSING the weight up...not PUSHING the weight up using every muscle in your body with legs flailing about, etc...

You know why push ups are such a great chest builder?  Because there is ZERO grip involved....none.  same attention should be given to any chest exercise in this senario...inclines, DB, flys, pec deck, etc...same positioning, same non grip...

The "mind/ muscle" connection is basically a means of directing focus to one group while eliminating another...

I see guys doing curls, and their neck/ traps/ shoulders/ forearms are getting all the work...not so much to the actual curl itself...channeling their effort into getting the weight from position A to B...when the goal should be to relax those groups and zero in on the motion of the curl with the bicep...relaxed grip to eliminate the forearms, shoulders relaxed and back to eliminate the push from the rear delt...

Thats why you see guys heaving up the 80 lb. DBs...but dont really have big arms.

Awesome advice. Another thing that can help with the mind-muscle connection (for chest) is using a thick bar (smith machine) and push through your palms with a thumbs under grip.

[tbombz]

Putting too much emphasis into the BP is also a common mistake...where the incline is much more beneficial, especially DB.

bullshit, the function of the pectoralis is to pull the arms down and across the body. decline is best, followed by flat, and incline activates the pecs the least of all three.

incline is beneficial for thickening up the upper chest but building your workout around it is stupid. 

[Leatherneck]

I've always seen the least results from decline despite being able to go heaviest on it. For me it's all about incline lifts with moderate weight and relaxing my muscles. Wide grips and not topping off movements have also been beneficial.

[Bam-bam]

If one wants to build up there chest and has decent tris/delts that overpower chest, would it be better to train shoulders and tris the day before chest training?

theory is that on chest day, delts and tris would be sore/tired etc, and pec muscles will take more of the work and grow more, etc...

anything to this?

Lol no!!! Its the opposite: you want your delts and tris fresh so they wont get exhausted BEFORE the pecs. Thats why i train chest on mondays, after a good weekend of rest my arms and shoulders are ready to go.

[First Blood]

bullshit, the function of the pectoralis is to pull the arms down and across the body. decline is best, followed by flat, and incline activates the pecs the least of all three.

incline is beneficial for thickening up the upper chest but building your workout around it is stupid. 

I would say what is best is very individual, like so many other things. If that wasn't the case you wouldn't have so many people saying different things.

Arnold liked flat (and incline), yates likes small decline or small incline, ronnie does flat, incline, decline, levrone flat + incline , some don't like barbells and prefer to do dumbells etc etc

[CalvinH]

bullshit, the function of the pectoralis is to pull the arms down and across the body. decline is best, followed by flat, and incline activates the pecs the least of all three.

incline is beneficial for thickening up the upper chest but building your workout around it is stupid. 

Cuz your chest is soooo much better then his.....

[supernick]

What if I cant feel any chest on flies, pec deck, dips and so on? I feel my shoulders getting sore and that's it. O and I never felt any chest doing pushups in my entire life.

On the peck deck try dropping your elbows slightly as you go back, it will take some tension off your front delts.

[Big Worm]

If one wants to build up there chest and has decent tris/delts that overpower chest, would it be better to train shoulders and tris the day before chest training?

theory is that on chest day, delts and tris would be sore/tired etc, and pec muscles will take more of the work and grow more, etc...

anything to this?

Why are you even bothering..?  For all you know,this drug dealing,drug addicted piece of shit ,has the shittiest chest on the planet..