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Re: Pain and swelling from generic blue top HGH
« Reply #25 on: September 21, 2011, 09:33:14 AM »
I hear what you're saying, but this is also based purely off of your beliefs.  I have trained my ass off for 10 years now, I played sports all through college, and sought competitive bodybuilding afterwards to feed my drive for competition and because I loved weight training.  Reality is though, if you want to compete, winning isn't happening without drugs.  If I didn't compete, I wouldn't use.  I never had self image issues or problems getting laid or any of that BS prior to hormone use.  I use because I want to be the best bodybuilder I can be.  I bust my ass day in and day out of the gym, with my diet, etc... no one who knows me would ever say otherwise.  I never feel like my win isn't my win and my failures aren't my own because of drug use.  I choose to learn about drug use and apply that use to my body.  It's my choice and therefore becomes a part of my success or failure.  Bodybuilding is all encompassing and drugs are a part of it.  I have said it before... If a break through diet or training method comes out, everyone in the world rushes to try it, but then people want to to criticize those trying to learn the drugs aspect just as well as the diet and training aspect.  I believe if you have the best understanding of all 3, you will produce the best results.  Again however, this can easily turn into a moral discussion about what is perceived as cheating or right and wrong etc... I'm not looking to go there, just want you to understand that when it comes to building your body, the drug aspect is there to help just as much as a good diet and training routine.  Also, I have no knock against naturals.  I loved training natural just as much as I love training now.  I used to be ehavy into cross fit and one of the most rewarding workouts I ever had was this:

1 mile run
100 pull ups
200 push ups
300 bodyweight squats
1 mile run

All while wearing a 20 lb weight vest and completed in 35 mins.

I loved the exhausted feeling I got.  I never gave a shit how I ate then or if I went drinking on the weekend or slept enough, it didn't matter.  Now I don't even know if I could run a mile in under 9 mins lol.  However I find watching the changes and growth in my body just as rewarding because I know I put just as much work and effort in.  The effort happens to be spread differently now.  It's put into learning the body.  Experimenting with diets and drugs.  The discipline to not drink on the weekends.  To put max effort into every weight training session I have.  Making sure I sleep enough, etc.

It's just as rewarding with drugs.  As long as you can look in the mirror and know that you are going balls to the wall, nobody telling you that you "cheated" or anything like that will effect you.

I also appreciate your comments and I completely agree on the aspect of drug use being a necessity for competition.  There are shows for pure naturals that I've seen and are tested.  Now, I'm not so naive to believe that even the professed naturals aren't using or have used...I get that also.  I also agree that the morality aspect of this discussion (which I ignored) is barely worth the effort considering a board like Getbig.  That discussion would spiral out of control very quickly...been there, done that.  I also have no doubt that you train hard, love what you're doing and have educated yourself thoroughly about that which you are most passionate.  I'm also not deluded into thinking that a bb that uses doesn't train hard....this is a non-issue on my end.  I appreciate your honesty and grasp your justification concerning the use of bb chemicals while still considering your gains to be your gains......I just don't happen to agree and that's cool.